pk Genie

Rekabu - Archosaur
Rekabu - Archosaur Posts: 19 Arc User
edited August 2013 in Assassin
So, been facing the prob of selecting genies skills mostly suited for pk special against barb n bms so would be very nice if u guys can point out some skills that will be good against this classes.. b:victory b:laugh
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  • HaxNinja - Heavens Tear
    HaxNinja - Heavens Tear Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Faith, AD, will surge, tangling mire. But you arent 105 so you cant get faith... so i guess AD, expel, will surge, mire. Once you reach higher defense/hp, barbs and bms dont become an issue. Mages are more of an issue, which i recommend getting heart of steel and nullify poison. if possible add soul of fire, but not necessary.
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  • Rekabu - Archosaur
    Rekabu - Archosaur Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Faith, AD, will surge, tangling mire. But you arent 105 so you cant get faith... so i guess AD, expel, will surge, mire. Once you reach higher defense/hp, barbs and bms dont become an issue. Mages are more of an issue, which i recommend getting heart of steel and nullify poison. if possible add soul of fire, but not necessary.

    i m 105 due to some reason its not showing b:laugh
  • skaitavia
    skaitavia Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Whirlwind also helps in catching your target. Also Fortify is great for when you know a stun is coming and your Tidal's on cooldown.

    Other than that Hax's list works.
  • HaxNinja - Heavens Tear
    HaxNinja - Heavens Tear Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Fortify on a sin wouldn't be the brightest idea during mass pk... Waste of genie energy to avoid a "possible" stun while decreasing the already low magic resistance a sin like him would have. Though whirlwind seems to work well with many people :)
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  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Fortify to immediately IG afterwards
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  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Or just fortify and 3 spark to instantly purify the debuff, jump to the nearest non-barb target and proceed to **** face jajajajaja. b:laugh
  • Zheii - Archosaur
    Zheii - Archosaur Posts: 2,732 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Fortify on a sin wouldn't be the brightest idea during mass pk... Waste of genie energy to avoid a "possible" stun while decreasing the already low magic resistance a sin like him would have. Though whirlwind seems to work well with many people :)

    Wow man "A sin like him would have"
    You don't even know what kind of sin he is, he could be full JoSD +12 for all you know, Just because someone has asked for advice doesn't mean they aren't skilled or have good gear.

    Also hey Reka hunny o/
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    if possible add soul of fire, but not necessary.
    Fortify on a sin wouldn't be the brightest idea during mass pk...

    lmfao b:laugh
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  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Hey Garr- I mean HEY ADROIT
  • Unholly - Morai
    Unholly - Morai Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Faith, AD, will surge, tangling mire. But you arent 105 so you cant get faith... so i guess AD, expel, will surge, mire. Once you reach higher defense/hp, barbs and bms dont become an issue. Mages are more of an issue, which i recommend getting heart of steel and nullify poison. if possible add soul of fire, but not necessary.

    You have just listed skills that most Vit/Mag assassins have on their genie, normally these skills revolve around general mass pk skills that work okay/well against all classes. Please read OP, he is not asking for the general purpose 105 genie build.

    Can you justify why will surge would be useful against two classes that unless im mistaken only have 1 seal between them (smack)?
    So, been facing the prob of selecting genies skills mostly suited for pk special against barb n bms so would be very nice if u guys can point out some skills that will be good against this classes.. b:victory b:laugh

    For OP, these skills would be what I recommend for skills most suited to 1v1s with these classes:
    Expel: Phys immune for phys damage classes, 9 second immunity will cover a demon HF if one lands on you. Note: Can be stunned though expel, Fortify recommended to break stuns.
    AD: Oh**** skill, immunity to everything and an anti stun after. Well im sure you know about this skill :P.
    Fortify: At level 1 it does not take up much energy, also vs classes that deal minimal magical damage the debuff isnt much to worry about.

    Then it really depends on your play style some people will go with offensive skills like Extreme Poison and tangling mire, to counter barbs and bms tankyness and maybe get that extra % damage to kill them.

    Some will go for more defensive skills like:
    Holy path: To rocket themselves away and basically rest charm CDs and the fight.
    Tree of Protection: Okayish heal and can be used to force tick your charm. Personally not a fan but maybe something you might want to look at.
    Wind Shield: 15% damage reduction isnt very much but it is a low cost survivability skill.

    Personally i would not recommend faith for these classes it has an incredibly high energy cost and other skills can normally cover you more effectively for cheaper costs.

    Please note I picked these skills out specifically for fighting barbs and bms, they are not as well suited for mass pk where these classes will be your last targets, Who will normally be mage and LA classes where a genie set up like Ninja said will be more beneficial to you because it is more flexible. Maybe beneficial to make a 105 faith/AD genie for general PvP and then create another one for fighting situational fights with barbs/BMs.

    EDIT: From playing a Bm chi managemnt can be a pain to keep up, so maybe a chi steal skill but... i havent had much expericane in chi steal genie skills, maybe Mantle Ripple of Death but again i dont know, maybe someone else can comment on that.
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  • Rekabu - Archosaur
    Rekabu - Archosaur Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    tyvm all for ur advice n views really appreciate..

    hi zheii ty for the info i iwll take a look at hi :D

    tyvm all agn think this can be closed now ty..

    b:laugh b:laugh
  • HaxNinja - Heavens Tear
    HaxNinja - Heavens Tear Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    lmfao b:laugh

    Do you think otherwise? lol
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  • WnbTank - Archosaur
    WnbTank - Archosaur Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Interesting nobody suggested str genie with occult ice when we are talking bout fighting barbs and BMs. On our server every barb that PKs is either punching bag who relies on zerk crits/sparking to do anything minus head and he is really squishy for full endgame r9T3 barb. When you can lock head down as he relies on vacuitys & violent triumph, his pretty much dead after. Having no chi costing stun is nice as barbs are hard to kill w/o sparking. Tangling mire helps a lot when you try to go trough guns hp/one of the other catabarbs that PK. And chi free stuns are nice too as killing those w/o triple sparking is damn near impossible.

    If the barb isnt str build, you can just face tank them with buffs, they arent going to kill you w/o combining zerk crit with something nasty/hitting you with arma with their ludicrous low accuracy. Vit build completely destroys their damage output to any decently refined endgame toon. Even head with his str build is tankable, he has so far been unable to kill my sin fully buffed. Then again there arent many +12 wep barbs on our server, any but nilnil/taxi actually? Neither really ever shows up for PK.
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  • tsyfall
    tsyfall Posts: 9
    edited August 2013
    Hmm. I never really liked Occult Ice genies too much. The only reason I ever got one was to kill R9s at level 95.

    Imo, for 105 (aps sin build I think you are?):

    Faith, Expel, Whirlwind, Fortify, Windshield, Ex. Poison is enough. You can basically, with ranged R9 daggers, kill a lot of people by a. procing their genie by apsing out of range and b. killing them by stunning+windshield+poison. Depending on their tankiness, you may want to single, double, or triple spark beforehand.
    EDIT: From playing a Bm chi managemnt can be a pain to keep up, so maybe a chi steal skill but... i havent had much expericane in chi steal genie skills, maybe Mantle Ripple of Death but again i dont know, maybe someone else can comment on that.

    Nah. Chi genie for sin kinda sucks unless

    a. You are Demon for MoZun
    b. You have enough survivability so that you don't need genie to survive and can use genie to chi drain
    c. You have enough survivability that chi-drain-over-time actually has an impact on the fight.

    Generally only classes like Barb or BM will consider a chi drain genie. I know very few sins who have a chi drain (myself included) and in my experience a vit/mag genie will do the mob just as easily.
  • Rekabu - Archosaur
    Rekabu - Archosaur Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    tsyfall wrote: »
    Hmm. I never really liked Occult Ice genies too much. The only reason I ever got one was to kill R9s at level 95.

    Imo, for 105 (aps sin build I think you are?):

    Faith, Expel, Whirlwind, Fortify, Windshield, Ex. Poison is enough. You can basically, with ranged R9 daggers, kill a lot of people by a. procing their genie by apsing out of range and b. killing them by stunning+windshield+poison. Depending on their tankiness, you may want to single, double, or triple spark beforehand.



    Nah. Chi genie for sin kinda sucks unless

    a. You are Demon for MoZun
    b. You have enough survivability so that you don't need genie to survive and can use genie to chi drain
    c. You have enough survivability that chi-drain-over-time actually has an impact on the fight.

    Generally only classes like Barb or BM will consider a chi drain genie. I know very few sins who have a chi drain (myself included) and in my experience a vit/mag genie will do the mob just as easily.

    i m dph now n ty b:laugh
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Do you think otherwise? lol

    Yes. lol
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