Just let me QQ for a bit...

Irca - Harshlands · August 2013

I find the OP's original story interesting. I myself have been lucky enough to not have that problem....granted I am not "Epic" by any means but at the same time...I give people the option of my r8 veno that I started this game with, know how to play a veno and love doing it, or my r92nd cast wizard. It is always the wizard chosen soley because of gear. If you can take the hits, and you can do it in a timely unobtrusive fashion, why the kick? And like the OP said...if you are wanting to do it in a different way for say a "training run" TELL someone!! say something. I hate people that are silent and then complain behind your back. It's just odd that someone would kick you for being awesome (for lack of a better word). Again I agree I don't like higher lvls on my low lvl bh's etc (on some of my other chars) sheerly because I want to learn the class. But at lvl 100 getting a bh done fast and efficiantly regardless of who tanks and who heals is great. I've seen wizards heal, wizards tank, psy's heal and tank over barbs, mystics as well ofc. People need to learn to work with a random squad dynamic that is not their usual fashion. It makes the game more fun and more interesting. Hell the whole squad can play their char differently as a result and see the potential they can reach.

Reliea - Sanctuary · August 2013

True it's very odd to be kicked for being too OP :S Especially if you're not doing something like... causing squad wipes by pulling too much stuff that the rest of the squad can't handle. And yeah, people should care not to get other people killed like that, regardless of whether they can solo the whole thing anyway. When you're in a squad, random squad, there are 5-9 other people to consider, it's always better to go slower rather than faster if it means less casualties.

In squads I've been in, there have been people who just say "Stand back! Let me show you my powerrrr mwahahaha" and unleash the beast; and we all stand back, and watch. They know it's safer that way, for them and for us.

Unless I'm playing a tank, I don't want to tank, so no matter what gear I'm wearing, I make sure I do what I need to do not to get aggro >.> If you can tank, and want to tank, I guess there's no reason why you shouldn't. As a barb though, I get sadface'd when the dds won't let me keep the aggro, and I try so hard damnit b:surrender

Irca - Harshlands · August 2013

Reliea - Sanctuary wrote: »

True it's very odd to be kicked for being too OP :S Especially if you're not doing something like... causing squad wipes by pulling too much stuff that the rest of the squad can't handle. And yeah, people should care not to get other people killed like that, regardless of whether they can solo the whole thing anyway. When you're in a squad, random squad, there are 5-9 other people to consider, it's always better to go slower rather than faster if it means less casualties.

In squads I've been in, there have been people who just say "Stand back! Let me show you my powerrrr mwahahaha" and unleash the beast; and we all stand back, and watch. They know it's safer that way, for them and for us.

Unless I'm playing a tank, I don't want to tank, so no matter what gear I'm wearing, I make sure I do what I need to do not to get aggro >.> If you can tank, and want to tank, I guess there's no reason why you shouldn't. As a barb though, I get sadface'd when the dds won't let me keep the aggro, and I try so hard damnit b:surrender

I do agree with you. Nothing wrong with being op but if you are going to hurt your squad to prove it you deserve a kick. Just always keep in mind the squad dynamic. If your squad is filled with op people then let everyone do their thing and have fun. But if you have a random squad with people that don't have the best and greatest gear keep in mind that they may not be able to keep up with you, and sometimes things can go better one mob, or one group, or one pull at a time vs. ramboing everying. (which I do like to rambo, but I pick and choose my squads that I am able to do that with). Had that happen tonight actually with bh snake. Had our squad (random) and this cleric decided they could pull and solo everything because they had "great" gear (was really not so great). Kept running in before barb to pull, then would metal mage vs. healing everyone that was trying to keep her from dying. (she died over 8 times from this, it wasn't us, it was the cleric). When someone finally said "if you don't mind can you heal for this last pull instead of dding" they got mad and said "I can solo this whole instance" *giggles*. We let them try and they died. I can take a lot of hits in a pull but with a random squad that consitst of players trying to get their gear instead of players that already have...I like to be cautious and make sure I'm not **** them over. The cleric ended up starting the boss without everyone there after getting everyone killed and died herself. I laughed. She left but was not booted. It just comes down to...look at your squad and what you have available. An OP person can be the life or the death of you. Within seconds of killing the first mob you can figure out which kind they are.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver · August 2013

Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »

if it was me who was lead i would have told op player we ty her for comming but we dont need someoen who can solo duo.
and looked for someone else... weaker dd.
so it becomes a party dinamic not a faceroll.

that's all cool and awesome but in that case ask for weapon links in WC and/or say g13 or less. if you want squad dynamics (the polite term to imply that you want the barb to feel useful) you should also state that, especially if it's NOT the way things have been done since.. erm the beginning of time.

and for the record? doing things in one way/respecting squad dynamics is even more boring than having an OP or not OP person to do stuff. Barb+cleric is the LAZY way and nobody will remember such a run.

I remember a psy tanked WS; a seeker QpQ bh69; a mystic solo healed delta in which I never dropped bellow 50% hp; my first (psy) tanked bh59 and tt2-2; that wizzie soloing tm69; my first big room solo pull as 80 seeker. barb+cleric runs? a dime a dozen.

Master_Ghoul - Lost City · August 2013

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

that's all cool and awesome but in that case ask for weapon links in WC and/or say g13 or less. if you want squad dynamics (the polite term to imply that you want the barb to feel useful) you should also state that, especially if it's NOT the way things have been done since.. erm the beginning of time.

and for the record? doing things in one way/respecting squad dynamics is even more boring than having an OP or not OP person to do stuff. Barb+cleric is the LAZY way and nobody will remember such a run.

I remember a psy tanked WS; a seeker QpQ bh69; a mystic solo healed delta in which I never dropped bellow 50% hp; my first (psy) tanked bh59 and tt2-2; that wizzie soloing tm69; my first big room solo pull as 80 seeker. barb+cleric runs? a dime a dozen.

the wc part sound like a way to go.

as for a dd class doing the dd and tanking that is a big no no.

that means they can solo or duo and why dont you UNLESS your looking for attention
from ppl around you.

even when i hade 3rd cast nirvana i heard cleric say damn i feel useless with you around.

and i respect her for that.

just remember your fun is not my fun and in case of team the leader is always right to make the rules.

Apostasy - Raging Tide · August 2013

Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »

as for a dd class doing the dd and tanking that is a big no no.

that means they can solo or duo

What game have you been playing? Since I first Squaded VS Abyssmal Shade in Secret Passage (that is a level 45 boss?), Barbs have been found to NOT be able to tank better than Arcane Classes in a number of situations. I was trio-squaded... Psy (myself), a Cleric and Barb (both real life friends of mine)... You know what happened there?...

Psy tanked, Cleric healed, and Kitty sat in the corner in tigerform hoping to not die.

I forget how my friend was geared... But I have seen WAY TOO MANY idiot tank-types (I hope they are just kids that no one taught any better) that actually have physical defense necks and belts b:surrender ... OF COURSE they can not tank when they get into cultivation quest 59 in Valley of Disaster and beyond b:chuckle

So, so much for your "big no no"... At that point it is called an Arcane Class must play tank... and Kitty gets to play added damage and any special effects that benefits a battle. The "Squad Dynamics" must change according to situations. Part of that depends on how people decide to gear themselves.

Another point to make... How many Barbarians actually know how to use their aggro skills? Not as many as I would hope... Now compound that issue with Barbarian aggro skills not being good enough to begin with due to how the game is designed, even IF the Barbarian does know how to use those aggro skills... Now compound that with casters in general knowing anything about aggro control (pacing themselves to not take aggro)... and although I can control my aggro, even when I am "OP" compared to a Barbarian I may be squaded with (add to this : I can control my aggro so well that I am able to keep from getting aggro and then in a moment's notice if tank is about to bite the big one, take aggro... giving the cleric just enough time to do what they must do to fix the tank and then let tank get aggro back... I've done this in this game and in others I have played over the last 20 years?)... I generally choose my aggro control on the basis of if I can take the hits or not depending on what we are fighting against. b:bye

And if a Barbarian can hold aggro? With just the Cleric behind that tank? Then they can duo, can they not? I will never group with a Barbarian and Cleric at the same time again b:laugh

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide · August 2013

I like BH100 squads to feel like BH29, 39, 51, 59, 69, 79, 89, as I progressed my various characters, where we learned as a squad to work together, depending on which character we were playing. Occasionally falling flat on our faces, and laughing about it, but mostly learning to work together, and having a good time is what we were able to accomplish.

That to me is fun. And over the course of playing, I've met some great people in this game. Some are now OP, but they arent asinine with their feelings to those who wish to not go the r9rr route, nor do they gloat about how powerful they are. They realize this is just a game and has no bearing on real life. As it stands, if they are running a BH and i need it, sure I will join, but I do prefer non OP squads, and my friends know and respect me for this.

Neferhotep - Lost City · August 2013

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide wrote: »

I like BH100 squads to feel like BH29, 39, 51, 59, 69, 79, 89, as I progressed my various characters, where we learned as a squad to work together, depending on which character we were playing. Occasionally falling flat on our faces, and laughing about it, but mostly learning to work together, and having a good time is what we were able to accomplish.

thats the problem, running instances with friends or a faction may still gives you the option to play with OP/Non-OP gear or try out new ways to do a dungeon. But you cannot do this with WC-squads anymore.

I understand that in a wc squad most take profit over fun, so its irritating if someone wants the whole squad to choose the slower but more difficult way.
But its really frustating if youre in a WC-squad and someone made a mistake and at least one person of the squads starts raging because he DIED one time. I miss the time when people laughed about squad wipes, for example when the cleric gets aggro from a boss although he did nothing than healing the tank xD

Desdi - Sanctuary · August 2013

Neferhotep - Lost City wrote: »

for example when the cleric gets aggro from a boss although he did nothing than healing the tank xD

This reminds me of that one time...in Twilight Temple. A few years ago.
It was a 2-2 run and we were doing the last boss. We all teleported on the platform and waiting in the corner for the boss to move in the right position.

The boss moved a little, 1shot the cleric and then moved back. I could never forget that moment lol.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver · August 2013

Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »

as for a dd class doing the dd and tanking that is a big no no.

class =/= role. just because you are a barb doesn't mean you are the (best) tank.
the tank-dd-healer is not the only model for grouping (and hardly realistic).
but I guess that people have to invent rules to feel useful

that means they can solo or duo and why dont you UNLESS your looking for attention
from ppl around you.

or I just want things to go faster and have a run with other people (sometimes helping, sometimes getting helped). I'd say that the barb you needlessly tries to tank is the one that's seeking attention.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver · August 2013

Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »

why are you picking up extremist like that ofc that gona fail.. what you expect me to believe a lv90 party still using hh70 gear.

as 80% of the frost of today is run at lv90.

you can do at 80 wish takes a bit long and ofc no barb gona pull huge pull like he was caring nirvana 3rd cast gear.

at lv 90 u only need hh80 legendery or hh90.......

at lv80 it can be hard

at lv70 yeah good luck not that it cant be done but why not wait untill at least lv80 make more sence.

sound boring to me.

why even bother doing it at all if all your gona do is fallow them like a leecher.

Dont know how your servers works but it is general concensus to skip tt80 all together on most servers. It isn't an extremeist view, it's a view based on observation. 80% of frost? Lv 75-85 squads are more prevalent now than they used to be, stop making blanket statements and start making observationsb:chuckle.

@Apostasy: I think the problem is getting worse. Barb was my first toon, and i have rolled 3 barbs all to lv82 (dunno why). I know aggro mechanics in and out, and sometimes they are complete bs (random aggro or spike aggro, aggro canceling). I was in a BH59 with my baby archer who isnt the best geared bc i was being cheap til she can use my sins aps set.
I ended up tanking 4/5 bosses because the barb never flesh reamed or devoured, even after i had asked him serveral times. I see the same thing with farming toon sins and ribstrike, ss, or even using their deaden nerves/focused mind/tidal. People level these classes because they are needed or can do things, but they have other toons they actually play well.

That bad sin in your bh snake? He was probably the cleric or mystic you thought was good last week. My disdain for farming sins, bms, and toons raised to farm BH is growing.b:angry

Master_Ghoul - Lost City · August 2013

Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »

What game have you been playing? Since I first Squaded VS Abyssmal Shade in Secret Passage (that is a level 45 boss?), Barbs have been found to NOT be able to tank better than Arcane Classes in a number of situations. I was trio-squaded... Psy (myself), a Cleric and Barb (both real life friends of mine)... You know what happened there?...

Psy tanked, Cleric healed, and Kitty sat in the corner in tigerform hoping to not die.

I forget how my friend was geared... But I have seen WAY TOO MANY idiot tank-types (I hope they are just kids that no one taught any better) that actually have physical defense necks and belts b:surrender ... OF COURSE they can not tank when they get into cultivation quest 59 in Valley of Disaster and beyond b:chuckle

So, so much for your "big no no"... At that point it is called an Arcane Class must play tank... and Kitty gets to play added damage and any special effects that benefits a battle. The "Squad Dynamics" must change according to situations. Part of that depends on how people decide to gear themselves.

Another point to make... How many Barbarians actually know how to use their aggro skills? Not as many as I would hope... Now compound that issue with Barbarian aggro skills not being good enough to begin with due to how the game is designed, even IF the Barbarian does know how to use those aggro skills... Now compound that with casters in general knowing anything about aggro control (pacing themselves to not take aggro)... and although I can control my aggro, even when I am "OP" compared to a Barbarian I may be squaded with (add to this : I can control my aggro so well that I am able to keep from getting aggro and then in a moment's notice if tank is about to bite the big one, take aggro... giving the cleric just enough time to do what they must do to fix the tank and then let tank get aggro back... I've done this in this game and in others I have played over the last 20 years?)... I generally choose my aggro control on the basis of if I can take the hits or not depending on what we are fighting against. b:bye

And if a Barbarian can hold aggro? With just the Cleric behind that tank? Then they can duo, can they not? I will never group with a Barbarian and Cleric at the same time again b:laugh

1st of that is one boss at that lv... come to think of it not many bosses OH i need a caster to TANK.
talking oh when server was NEW in lost city.
second if ur OVER geared ofc your gona grab agro and tank the sht of pve but then i would prolly have left and find a place i can make a difference.. nothing you know cos i would have gone long ago.
your belief that over powered gear make u usefull is bull **** its not needed and depend on party not wanted.

only place we NEED op gear is in pvp and that is the only true.

rest aside from one or two can be done with hh99 tops

slower maybe but my time is something i wana enjoy.

Master_Ghoul - Lost City · August 2013

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

or I just want things to go faster and have a run with other people (sometimes helping, sometimes getting helped). I'd say that the barb you needlessly tries to tank is the one that's seeking attention.

again your fun is not MY fun..
my fun is having fun doing a bh your fun seem to be doing a bh in 20 sec... seem like your in a hurry for a appointment

where the rush.. why play a mmo if you dont have time geee.

seriusly if the game did go back to 3 hour tt run this game might feel alive again

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver · August 2013

again your fun is not MY fun..

ofc. and I don't have any prob with that; everyone should try to maximise their fun.

my fun is having fun doing a bh your fun seem to be doing a bh in 20 sec... seem like your in a hurry for a appointment
where the rush.. why play a mmo if you dont have time geee.

seriusly if the game did go back to 3 hour tt run this game might feel alive again

I'm not in a rush. Some of the fun runs I remembered were pretty long (e.g. me in white voodoo tanking a TT boss). What I enjoy is having different ways to achieve the same thing. Barb? 'OP' sin? who cares. a tank is soemthing with enough hp to survive that can keep aggro, not a kitty. Should I feel ashamed that my total gear value is less than the sin's? Perhaps. Probably my gear score will be higher than some of the people I squaded for; who cares? As long as I contribute instead of slowing down the run, I don't see a reason to feel worthless.

3h is too long for an instance investment if you need tor repeat it a ton of times.

Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »

second if ur OVER geared ofc your gona grab agro and tank the sht of pve but then i would prolly have left and find a place i can make a difference.. (1)

your belief that over powered gear make u usefull is bull **** its not needed and depend on party not wanted. (2)

in 1 you say that the OP gear replaced you. in 2 you say that OP gear doesn't make you useful. contradiction much?

the fact that there are multiple ways to do things is good. well, not for barbs that want their hpeen stroked.

Master_Ghoul - Lost City · August 2013

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Dont know how your servers works but it is general concensus to skip tt80 all together on most servers. It isn't an extremeist view, it's a view based on observation. 80% of frost? Lv 75-85 squads are more prevalent now than they used to be, stop making blanket statements and start making observationsb:chuckle.

@Apostasy: I think the problem is getting worse. Barb was my first toon, and i have rolled 3 barbs all to lv82 (dunno why). I know aggro mechanics in and out, and sometimes they are complete bs (random aggro or spike aggro, aggro canceling). I was in a BH59 with my baby archer who isnt the best geared bc i was being cheap til she can use my sins aps set.
I ended up tanking 4/5 bosses because the barb never flesh reamed or devoured, even after i had asked him serveral times. I see the same thing with farming toon sins and ribstrike, ss, or even using their deaden nerves/focused mind/tidal. People level these classes because they are needed or can do things, but they have other toons they actually play well.

That bad sin in your bh snake? He was probably the cleric or mystic you thought was good last week. My disdain for farming sins, bms, and toons raised to farm BH is growing.b:angry

in lost its 90+ the most group based fc runs sure 80 exist but most is 90+ LOST city.

now ur blaming a few bad barbs you have meet SERIUSLY.

want to see how many fail sin exist and cant tell what skill does what.

seriusly who give a **** what some barb did its not the majority and they will be forgoten dont use them as if all barb all of a sudden suck.

i done a few tho i hade a 101 sage and 101 demon barb.

love barbs and i am pretty sure i know them pretty good aside from pk cos to much money wasting for that and i am not interested.

the thing with the play well is what happen when u play a toon for 1% of your time do you think he will matter no.

i know pretty well a load of the ppl make a barb alt lv to 100+ and put on some faction and never again play them they pretty much make alt just for bragging right.

do you think that make you any good.

in any case i stand with my belief we dont need op player in a party when we can for most part still use hh99.

op gear is only necesery in pk.

also your fun is not my fun.. my fun i want to have a real intense fight with boss not roll my eyes and dead boss.

that is all i am gona say.

my fun is my fun your fun is your fun and if i make a party i decide who i bring

Master_Ghoul - Lost City · August 2013

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm not in a rush. Some of the fun runs I remembered were pretty long (e.g. me in white voodoo tanking a TT boss). What I enjoy is having different ways to achieve the same thing. Barb? 'OP' sin? who cares. a tank is soemthing with enough hp to survive that can keep aggro, not a kitty. Should I feel ashamed that my total gear value is less than the sin's? Perhaps. Probably my gear score will be higher than some of the people I squaded for; who cares? As long as I contribute instead of slowing down the run, I don't see a reason to feel worthless.

3h is too long for an instance investment if you need tor repeat it a ton of times.

in 1 you say that the OP gear replaced you. in 2 you say that OP gear doesn't make you useful. contradiction much?

the fact that there are multiple ways to do things is good. well, not for barbs that want their hpeen stroked.

do your party and make your rules.

do not come to me and tell me how i run mine or how i shoudl think

what point does having multiple classes do you nothing.

i am sticking to the class i love and yeah i will defend his rights

Takeva - Heavens Tear · August 2013

LOL. b:laugh

My only advice is to just laugh it off. I would have pm'd the cleric and told her next time, so people won't notice she's a hater, ask people what their attack and defense looks like or don't ever make random squads again.

If you are making a squad, don't QQ when you don't get that perfect squad you want. You think picking up random guys/girls on the street = thats your perfect match? There is a high possibility that the person might be crazy. But that's what it means when taking chances. Same goes when joining a random squad.

You shouldn't QQ about it OP. You just happened to join a squad with the leads being ignorant. Won't be the last time if you continue joining random squads. I do sometimes get upset when there is a stronger caster than me in my group but I don't hate because that also means I won't die first. b:chuckle
Why are people upset just because people have better and good gear? They do work for that gear regardless of where they earned it. Either in game or real life. Most still worked for it. Yes, even those kids getting allowances for mowing the lawn and taking out the trash. b:laugh

Get over it and try to adapt to the situation.

Barbs, even if you can't tank during rb that doesn't make you useless. I had a couple of barbs, during spawn point, who would run to gather all strays so they wouldn't attack and/or kill the cleric. Took aggro temporarily and kept me alive so my DB could stay up. I really dislike barbs (or any player in a squad) that just give up and don't even try.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver · August 2013

Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »

do your party and make your rules.

i do. or just join a party that has a 99.9% chance to follow mine

do not come to me and tell me how i run mine or how i shoudl think

I didn't

what point does having multiple classes do you nothing.

different class, different ways of achievening the same result, more variety, more fun

i am sticking to the class i love and yeah i will defend his rights

cool. sounds exactly what companies with monopolies want to do.
personally I'm happy that the era when barbs would boss everyone and get first drops is over.

Master_Ghoul - Lost City · August 2013

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

cool. sounds exactly what companies with monopolies want to do.
personally I'm happy that the era when barbs would boss everyone and get first drops is over.

good for you then.

it wont affect me the least and i will still kick ppl who i woudl deem to strong (( player who can solo or duo or just plain r999 +12 peeps.

i know you dont like it well i do.

i dont wana be baby sit true the whole run

ps i never said anything about barb untill you complained all i ever said was that i agree with the barb and cleric way of thinking that the op was to strong.

i still belive some gear only shine in pk.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver · August 2013

Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »

it wont affect me the least and i will still kick ppl who i woudl deem to strong (( player who can solo or duo or just plain r999 +12 peeps.

haha, keeping aggro should be quite easy job when you kick everyone with good dps. why bother improving, just kick the aggro taker b:laugh

good thing we wont be ever in the same squad cause in my book, a barb who thinks that he can only be of use when tanking is a fail barb.

Haila - Sanctuary · August 2013

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

cool. sounds exactly what companies with monopolies want to do.
personally I'm happy that the era when barbs would boss everyone and get first drops is over.

Because barbs are the best tanks in perfect world b:cool
I have my doubts that a barb started with that rule, it must be a DD who came up with that idea. I can imagine a wiz who wants to farm mats and bribe a barb with first pick, think the person who brought subs got 2nd pick XD

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver · August 2013

Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »

Because barbs are the best tanks in perfect world b:cool
I have my doubts that a barb started with that rule, it must be a DD who came up with that idea. I can imagine a wiz who wants to farm mats and bribe a barb with first pick, think the person who brought subs got 2nd pick XD

wasn't it barb > cleric > (2nd cleric) > DD by level? XD
subber got mirages in most runs I had

Nenor - Dreamweaver · August 2013

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

wasn't it barb > cleric > (2nd cleric) > DD by level? XD
subber got mirages in most runs I had

Thats the way i remember it.... as an archer, by the time it got to me, wasn't anything left but garbage drops. I think i bought every TT mat i needed except for skulls and swords.b:cry

Haila - Sanctuary · August 2013

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

wasn't it barb > cleric > (2nd cleric) > DD by level? XD
subber got mirages in most runs I had

I forgot i got always got 1st pick b:cool

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver · August 2013

Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Thats the way i remember it.... as an archer, by the time it got to me, wasn't anything left but garbage drops. I think i bought every TT mat i needed except for skulls and swords.b:cry

I farmed half the mats for a belt of earth in TTb:victory

ovenusarmanio · August 2013

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

wasn't it barb > cleric > (2nd cleric) > DD by level? XD
subber got mirages in most runs I had

Yes, it was. Ahhh those were the days. b:sin

Master_Ghoul - Lost City · August 2013

again why you need a player who clearly can solo the bh herself.

she is A either lazy or B looking for attention.

as for your barb hating bs i can do same thing when we look back at nirvana who do you think dominted there oh thats right DD... sin

it could heal tank dd all in one package .

so before you *** monkey sucking dd mentallity get even more broken **** you have nothing to compain about.

we barbs never hade heals,super dd power and tanking ability in one package.

show your dd mentallity up yours

Sister_Warui - Raging Tide · August 2013

Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »

again why you need a player who clearly can solo the bh herself.

she is A either lazy or B looking for attention.

Pretty certain you need 6 to open it. I only have 2 toons. My psy(the r9 one you seem to hate so much) and my lvl 1 seeker I used to .ini edit and to make a shop out of for merching.

2=\=6. I need a squad.

Leaving out the rest of the post because there was a lot of unneeded cussing and even for me the grammar in the end was hard to understand OTL

Desdi - Sanctuary · August 2013

Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »

again why you need a player who clearly can solo the bh herself.

she is A either lazy or B looking for attention.

There are very few cases in which a player can actually truely solo an endgame/BH instance but in most cases that's not because they have top gear but because they can multi client.

Yeah, we're only allowed to have two clients running at the time but let's be serious now, there's plenty of people who run more than 2 clients at a time and those are the people who can solo BH. I should note that in that case it's not even about having R9 3rd cast.
A decently refined Nirvana geared multi-cliented toons will give the player the ability to solo.

A lot of people however, including R9 3rd cast ones, don't have the option and don't want to do it (bannable) so then...they need a squad.

Master_Ghoul - Lost City · August 2013

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

There are very few cases in which a player can actually truely solo an endgame/BH instance but in most cases that's not because they have top gear but because they can multi client.

Yeah, we're only allowed to have two clients running at the time but let's be serious now, there's plenty of people who run more than 2 clients at a time and those are the people who can solo BH. I should note that in that case it's not even about having R9 3rd cast.
A decently refined Nirvana geared multi-cliented toons will give the player the ability to solo.

A lot of people however, including R9 3rd cast ones, don't have the option and don't want to do it (bannable) so then...they need a squad.

who that is 3rd cast r9+12 cant solo a simpel bh...

even a caster at tht point ake bh look like joke

Sister_Warui - Raging Tide wrote: »

Pretty certain you need 6 to open it. I only have 2 toons. My psy(the r9 one you seem to hate so much) and my lvl 1 seeker I used to .ini edit and to make a shop out of for merching.

2=\=6. I need a squad.

Leaving out the rest of the post because there was a lot of unneeded cussing and even for me the grammar in the end was hard to understand OTL

i dont hate you i hate op gear

i apologie if you tho i was talking about you

i dont respect anyone who use r9+++

it my right after playing this game from scratch

Just let me QQ for a bit...

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