Barb in the block

PermaDeath - Archosaur
PermaDeath - Archosaur Posts: 14 Arc User
edited August 2013 in Barbarian
So, can you guys link me or explain me what build is the most effecient on barbs nowadays, are the sticky ones still viable? I want the full tank come at me brick of hp barb build, so please, build and skills can someone please explain me :c I came back again, I have a 100 BM but I completelly forgot how this game works like at that end game level play so I just want to be a tiger, anyone? please?
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  • WannaBM - Archosaur
    WannaBM - Archosaur Posts: 1,984 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Sticky ones are still viable. What every barb needs is:

    60dex
    300str

    That is including equipment, so base can be less than that. I advise not to go too minimal on str though, it is nice to still be able to use your weapon when your cape or ring breaks in the middle of a fight.

    The rest can be put in either vit, str or dex depending on what you want. The "standard" tank barb would put it in vit.

    The wealthy barb who has well refined armors providing him loads of HPs probably prefers to put them in either str or dex since now the vit points are less significant. (the difference between 15k and 18k is much more important than the difference between 35 and 38k HP obviously)

    Dex is usefull for claw builds. There is a sticky about this. This sticky already tells you that you should not do it too early with bad equipment. Claw builds are only good imo if you can afford 2 sets of proper equipment. 1 set of HA that allows you to have 20k HP in tiger form and 1 set of APS gear that provides you at least 4APS with a G16 weapon. Also, this claw build mostly shines in PvE and is not optimal for PvP until you get to be wealthy enough to have well refined r9.3 and double int daggers. Swiching gears during PvP is rarely feasible and PvP in squichy APS gear is not feasible either.

    So it all comes down to how wealthy you are and if you want to pvp.

    Poor barb = vit barb
    Medium wealthy barb PvE = claw barb
    Medium wealthy barb PvP = vit/str
    very wealthy barb = R9.3 and you can try dex if you like and restat if you dont like it. Very wealthy barbs dont care about the cost of restat notes :)

    Many people will not agree. Some will say claws are not supposed to be on barbs. Others will tell you how good it is to be pure vit on their 50k HP barb and how their armageddon kills whole squads in TW/NW. Yet others will tell you armageddon isnt that important and you need str to do good damage with your other attacks.

    So you will have to decide for yourself what you want.
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  • PermaDeath - Archosaur
    PermaDeath - Archosaur Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    what 45m (maybe) a little more, can do for a tanky barb? Like at what level you should be able to already be spending this kind of money?
  • WannaBM - Archosaur
    WannaBM - Archosaur Posts: 1,984 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    45m definately puts you in the poor barb category. Medium wealthy would be 500m -2b range or so. Very wealth would be 2b+

    It will however make it comfortable for you to reach level 100. Money making in game is much more easy once you got to level 100.
    Start out with dreamchaser or other free quest stuff.
    Then buy a complete TT70 set and sell it when you are lvl 80. Do the same with TT80 and TT90. Try to make money on these transactions rather than lose money.

    For lvl 100 there are 3 feasible options:

    -morai (pve only)
    -G16 / APS
    -R9.3

    morai is what falls into your price range. It is however only usefull for PvE, absolutely not for PvP. You need to do a bunch of dayly morai quests to get this gear. You can only do so much of this per day so thats like half an hour of questing per day, 2 months long or so to get your gear.

    G16 is the goal for most players in this game. It takes some work but when you play your character for half a year a few hours per day you should be able to get this. These are the medium wealthy barbs.

    R9.3 is only for the true addicts/merchants/heavy cashshoppers.

    Before deciding your budget fits morai gear, note that it is not tradable, absolutely useless for any PvP you might want to do in the future and that you will be able to get G16 in time without cashshopping.
    Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.
  • PermaDeath - Archosaur
    PermaDeath - Archosaur Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Meaning, I'm screwed lawl

    Thank you for taking your time to write all of this, I really appreciate it nonetheless !
  • WannaBM - Archosaur
    WannaBM - Archosaur Posts: 1,984 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    you are not screwed at all. 45m will get you comfortably to level 100, then you do BHs, cubes and maybe some other farming and you can make a few million per day :)
    Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.
  • Lolgasmic - Raging Tide
    Lolgasmic - Raging Tide Posts: 1,315 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Sticky ones are still viable. What every barb needs is:

    60dex
    300str

    That is including equipment, so base can be less than that. I advise not to go too minimal on str though, it is nice to still be able to use your weapon when your cape or ring breaks in the middle of a fight.

    The rest can be put in either vit, str or dex depending on what you want. The "standard" tank barb would put it in vit.

    The wealthy barb who has well refined armors providing him loads of HPs probably prefers to put them in either str or dex since now the vit points are less significant. (the difference between 15k and 18k is much more important than the difference between 35 and 38k HP obviously)

    Dex is usefull for claw builds. There is a sticky about this. This sticky already tells you that you should not do it too early with bad equipment. Claw builds are only good imo if you can afford 2 sets of proper equipment. 1 set of HA that allows you to have 20k HP in tiger form and 1 set of APS gear that provides you at least 4APS with a G16 weapon. Also, this claw build mostly shines in PvE and is not optimal for PvP until you get to be wealthy enough to have well refined r9.3 and double int daggers. Swiching gears during PvP is rarely feasible and PvP in squichy APS gear is not feasible either.

    So it all comes down to how wealthy you are and if you want to pvp.

    Poor barb = vit barb
    Medium wealthy barb PvE = claw barb
    Medium wealthy barb PvP = vit/str
    very wealthy barb = R9.3 and you can try dex if you like and restat if you dont like it. Very wealthy barbs dont care about the cost of restat notes :)

    Many people will not agree. Some will say claws are not supposed to be on barbs. Others will tell you how good it is to be pure vit on their 50k HP barb and how their armageddon kills whole squads in TW/NW. Yet others will tell you armageddon isnt that important and you need str to do good damage with your other attacks.

    So you will have to decide for yourself what you want.

    lol

    personally i just went with the standard build for a barb

    300 base strength
    60 base dex
    everything else in vit


    but i suppose the build is intensified by my r9rr b:bored soooo.... wouldnt terribly matter all that much if i used the extra points in str or dex.

    but i agree with this poster, if you go aps you need to have 2 sets of armor.
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  • PermaDeath - Archosaur
    PermaDeath - Archosaur Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    even if I was rich I would go vit barb because it's my play style, well since my 45m will get me to 100 I'm very motivated to play again :)

    just one question, that str amount it's the base str or with gear?
    Secondly, the main skills for a vit barb are the ones on the sticky?
  • WannaBM - Archosaur
    WannaBM - Archosaur Posts: 1,984 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    The most popular weapon requires 287 str. I believe 303 str will allow you to use any weapon. So you want to have that str with equipment but not including your axe.

    That is the bare minimum. As i said, it is a good idea to have a little more so that you dont have a problem when some equipment breaks.

    For skills you really want pretty much all your skills to be level 10. Now that costs a total of maybe 30m of so, so i can understand you want to delay some skills and learn them later.

    There are skills that i never use:
    -Stomp of the beast king
    -Garote
    -firestorm (except maybe when everything is on cooldown, but usually i prefer to keep that spark for something more usefull anyway)
    -alacrity of the beast (because lag makes it useless in most situations)

    These skills i use only for PvP or extremely rarely in PvE:
    -Mighty Swing
    -Penetrate armor
    -beastial onslaught (only starts to shine when its demon)

    All other skills i use all the time
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  • PermaDeath - Archosaur
    PermaDeath - Archosaur Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I've been away so much of this game that 303 str sounds so much I was worried because I would need a lot less for vit barb guess I'm wrong x)

    so the stickies are fine for tank barb?
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    If we're going to take a page out of the book of BM/sin pvp we're going to use stomp of the beast king and garrote a bit more since they are fast skills--getting more hits in = more damage than one bigger hit.

    But if you're pure vit (and prolly going sage) then your one and only skill to actually do damage is going to be Armageddon. Your entire pvp experience boils down to tanking until enemy at 50% HP and then ToP-arma, and praying it doesn't miss 2 times out of 3 vs. 600+ dex archers and sins.
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  • PermaDeath - Archosaur
    PermaDeath - Archosaur Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I know that armageddon is a must on Barbs, I just to know what skills do tank barbs max first, the ones you dont need, etc. Or someone to confirm me that the sticky ones are fine
  • Haila - Sanctuary
    Haila - Sanctuary Posts: 467 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I know that armageddon is a must on Barbs, I just to know what skills do tank barbs max first, the ones you dont need, etc. Or someone to confirm me that the sticky ones are fine

    I recently played a new tank build barb, all tiger skills are worth upgrading especially roar, flesh ream and devour for aggro issues.
    For human form skills if you always stays in tiger, beastial onslaught is worth upgrading for kiting mobs, its a ranged skill XD and swell is a nice aoe for solo questing as well
  • Master_Ghoul - Lost City
    Master_Ghoul - Lost City Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I know that armageddon is a must on Barbs, I just to know what skills do tank barbs max first, the ones you dont need, etc. Or someone to confirm me that the sticky ones are fine

    alwasy start with ur tiger form as early as you can and buff passive with those.

    the human are more later in the game and more pvp oriented then the tiger form skill.
  • PermaDeath - Archosaur
    PermaDeath - Archosaur Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    what about the rest of the 1 millions skills available for him? x)
  • Hazarduz - Heavens Tear
    Hazarduz - Heavens Tear Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Barbs have a rather limited number of skills and most are fairly easy to figure out. I recently posted a skill guide as an addendum to the sticky. TBH, its not really anything new, just a reiteration of the sticky itself.

    Yep, sticky is still the only real way to make a pure tank barb. Play him a bit and by the time ur nearing 80, it'll automatically start making sense. 300 str is nothing. Thats what you need for axes. If u only put 60 dex (again thats needed for gear+axes) that leaves a whopping 140 points able to be put into vit (I'm assuming a lvl100 toon).

    And yes in the end you will want pretty much every skill maxed (except maybe stomp of the beast king and garoette, which u can max as and when u have coin..b:chuckle)
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  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Can't recall my exact build off the top of my head, but it is something in the neighborhood of 54 base Dexterity -> pushed up to 90+ with gears on. My base STR is just shy of requirement to wear Unicorn's Tragedy, though with my Battle Tactic's tome - I can equip it. Every other point goes into VIT, and I have a base of 5 mag.

    Armors (including cape):
    All G16 Nirvana (carried over from TT99 golds) refined to +5 (cape +6), the axes are +4 at the moment with mods of +40 atk level, +1 atk level, max physical atk +, and accuracy +30%, imbued with an Amber Gem.

    Ornaments:
    TT 90 gold mdef necklace +5
    G15 Warsong elemental Belt +5
    2x Sign of Frost Chaos +5 (one with +7 dex engraving, the other with +7 str engraving)

    Other Stats:
    13k HP standing unbuffed -> 17k standing buffed (demon bki) -> ~21,700 buffed in demon tiger
    13k+ top end p. attack with demon titan
    2200ish accuracy base -> 5k+ buffed with demon blood bath (still over 20k hp in tiger with demon bath on)
    8k+ mdef buffed
    pdef.. cant recall at the moment.

    That's all at gv24 (first circle) on meridian system. As somewhat a comparison now to see what you might expect on a "vitless" barb, the same gears go on my seeker (except the axes). My seeker is base 5 vit, with just about enough dex to go into weapon requirements. Its hp unbuffed falls at 9930 at the same meridian level, and 13,700 with level 11 BKI. With buffs, the physical and magical defenses are only 1-2% difference. Bear in mind though that seeker and barb don't get the same vit bonuses or HP bonus per level, so a vitless barb wearing those gears should still have higher hp than a seeker.
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