Meridian System: another way clerics get crapped on

ogunernile wrote: »

I have a lot of toons and as i have begun to unlock the meridian system on them all i have come to realize one thing. They are crapping on clerics again. Why do clerics, as casters, need a bonus to physical attack? The physical attack damage is based on magic attack like it is for seekers whose magic attack is based on their physical attack. Wouldn't those bonus points be better used on magic attack? or physical def? i dunno it is already apparent PWI dislikes making clerics viable end game toons, but do you have to keep the trend going with the new additions as well? i mean seriously what gives? or am i seeing this wrong? what do you think?

Post Edit: i reviewed my wizard progression, seems all casters are getting scammed. who the hell thought of this inane point allotment system for casters? >:0

ogunernile wrote: »

you you pathetic no-live trolls i am asking for possible theories. not complaining about something you get for free. i thought the logic behind the point allotment was askew and i still do. though some of the more intelligent responses have given me something to think about. the rest of you go troll another page please and leave room for intelligent convo.

This title of your thread says it all, and the wording of your posts makes it abundantly clear that this is not a call to discussion, this is an unjustified complaint. Don't call people trolls just because they don't agree with you. The fact that people have even told you that its because magic users have physical attacks and melee users have absolutely no magic attacks seems to be irrelevant to your perception (or desire) of what the meridian should be. On top of that it has also been said that the added physical attack has absolutely no bearing on the mag attack bonus, meaning magic classes that aren't venos are getting a double bonus they technically don't even need, shat on indeed.

Now, if you do wish to have a discussion, the question you should be asking is should melees get a mag att bonus in their meridian? My answer. Sure, why not. They would have no way of using it, but NOT giving it to casters would be unfair as times do call for them to use their phys attacks and they would not be getting the corresponding bonus that meridian is supposed to give, meaning that in these (rare) situations melee classes would be the clear winners of the meridian tree. It would be even worse for venos. Fox skills are already underpowered as they do base physical + set skill damage that was balanced for the 2008 version of the game and the fox skills weren't even touched in the last round of balancing acts. Not giving them both phys att and mag att would harm that entire half of the veno skill set even more.

To get right to the point. The addition of physical attack doesn't make magic users any more powerful than they were before, (save for maybe that pole axe wielding cleric, but he probably really needs it anyway) and the lack of magic attack on melees doesn't make them any weaker for each point of phys attack mag users get. It is actually a surprisingly well balanced system and I wish PWE/Wanmei would make more in game content like it.

ogunernile wrote: »

you silly little girl...that's exactly why i killed you on my 2r9 seeker when you were 3r9. you are not creative at all. one instance where a person would put metal damage shards would be to effectively debuff phys imm mobs so that mag classes can do more damage with seeker debuffs. as far as a magic class doing it that wouldn't be my choice but people have creative ideas that dont always go with the norm. now once again...you pathetic no-live trolls i am asking for possible theories. not complaining about something you get for free. i thought the logic behind the point allotment was askew and i still do. though some of the more intelligent responses have given me something to think about. the rest of you go troll another page please and leave room for intelligent convo.

... What?

English, please, I'm afraid I don't speak "Word"-Vomitese. And if you want possible theories it might be best to refrain from insulting people in broken English.

Anyway, there is no real reason for any caster class to get a bonus to P. Attack, except for venos, as stated before. P. Attack does not in any way affect a cleric's Plume Shot or Razor Feathers damage... and as I'm typing this there are clerics with garnets in their weapons running around, aren't there? b:infuriated

But if we're complaining about things casters get that have no logic to them, I'm going to bring up Frostblade. And Emberstorm. And Tactical Reversion. And -QQ erased for brevity-.

Personally, I don't see any reason to complain about this. At least, comparing between a sin and a wiz, at GV 4 on the second round in the Meridian, the wizard gets 57 additional M. Atk and P. Atk, while the sin gets 40 additional P. Atk, and of course, 0 additional M. Atk, at the same node. Admittedly, there's a difference of two levels between the chars I'm using to check.

If these numbers stay the same across all classes of a certain armour type, then clerics would also get more M. Atk. and P. Atk. than sins, in this example. If that's how you're going to calculate it, then in the end you're a beggar who, upon being given a pie and cookies, sees another beggar being given just cookies, and then complains because you think he's getting more cookies than you.

Long story made short: You're complaining for nothing.

Bigswimmert - Sanctuary wrote: »

Clerics have physical attacks, Plume shot being first and foremost, but razor feathers as well, I'll take all the bonus patk that I can get especially when a BM thinks they know best and uses alter marrow magic charging in, or against groups of squishys (AA users) since they all tend to flock together.

So did you shard your weapon with Metal shards, garnets, or DoTs?

i am building a 4aps LA cleric, patk add is good for me :P

My cleric has 7k p.atk so I am not going to complain about a little bit extra that I can get for free along with the other stat increases. It is actually quite satisfying meleeing someone to death with my glaive in NW or open map pk b:victory

kun-kun
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OP logic: herp derp, I get +phy attack that I don't need, better QQ about it and ask it to be removed and call the meridian system unfair for clerics