fist/bow archer or no?

Fists / Claws are still viable. I use S3 claws all the time for PvE. In fact, I have 146 Strength even when I use my bow, as I find it cumbersome swapping Strength ornaments and such.

You can get 5 aps with Gorenox Vanities and R8, but I recommend you aim for S3 claws and S3 bow (either R9 or Nirvana).

Hey, i was planning on making a fist/bow build too but i choose a different set up for that. Basically im using the R8cast bonus set so i can use the +1200 and .1int bonus from it with both sets.

With fist:

http://pwcalc.com/dd3eed00a0268be5

With bow

http://pwcalc.com/03e9e3ae27008fca


I use the HA G16 helm and robe because the str req for fist/claw are basically the same that for the HA helm and doing this way i get more extra HP from bonus and refines. This build end up with 85 attk lvl with bow and 70 attk lvl 5aps with fist and both with +8k hp at +5 refines mark. Ive modify the chest to add with .05 because i will have to reroll till get int on it (it will take several rolls but is not close to impossible, lot of people already have their int r8cast chest) and to add the 200+ extra HP from r8cast because pwicalc is outdated on r8cast bonus. Then on the bow build ive added too the +7attk lvl to compensate again pwicalc failing but i hadnt add any possible other addon i can get on r8cast set so the char should end up having higher HP and def but that is random (i got 11 addons pending to add).

I already making this char (lvl86 with the 200k rep already in) and farming the molds and badges on my seeker main so its going to be well dressed as soon he hits lvl100. How do u guys think is going to be pve and pvp wise? For pvp i will use perma bow set up and for pve i will be switching both builds. Im on a pve server and I DO LIKE PVE, so call me carebear if u want but im interested on pve results too (i want another char that can defend every pav on warsong) and i do pvp on TW and NW (I had never turn on pk status on my seeker that has 11k+ HP and G16+10 dual blades). For TWs im planning on making him a G15 bow with spirit blackhole (roll and roll till get it, no soul shatter) for mass BoA purge and then switch to g16.


Thank you very much for ur feedbacks.

Interesting, I had not considered HA helm. Let's see...

Assuming Traceless Dimension, which requires 146 Strength, you need 7 more Strength to wear the HA Helm. However, on top of this, you lose the 6~12 Dex that comes with the LA Hat, and you get no benefit from the 6~12 Str on the HA Helm when using a bow. It does give a benefit when using claws, so it's not completely useless, but for PvP, it's useless.

So basically, you lose 13~19 Dex in order to wear the HA helm, and gain 13~19 Str instead.

Now, the HA Helm has 209 more HP in terms of base stats. Refines are the same, as well as the cape stats. In terms of the set bonus, HA has 200 more HP (700 vs 900).

So basically , you gain 409 HP if you wear the HA helm / cape.

13~19 Dex vs 409 HP.

That's actually not bad. Certainly worth thinking about. I might even do this.

Mr_SilverWan - Raging Tide wrote: »

I rather have an arhcer with a sword, it is easier to get a tome for extra str and dex, swords do more damage than fists and are faster however i like more the look of fists than that of swords.

My chosen weapon for archer is the sling, crossbow is too slow but higher attk and bow is just rudimentary

A sword is not faster than a claw or fists. Also, as far as endgame is concerned, the only option worth considering is a bow (unless you're one of the hipster g16 sling/xbow archers). It's just the way the game was made. The purge proc only shows up on bows.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

G16 weapon > G15 with purge. At least you can do damage with higher base + 40 atk levels

Don't hate on the sling; crossbow is meh but sling is guaranteed 2 socket, fast, really benefits from demon QS, and awesome dps.

I suppose I wasn't clear enough. Let me correct that. A r9(99) bow is the most logical option as far as endgame gear is concerned.

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The purge proc only shows up on bows.

There are purge poles .

barb hammer has purge. Pretty sure either Kronos or Fenrir_Wolf or both (possibly more) on DW have spirit blackhole hammers (jace confirm please lol)

EDIT: holy **** I never thought of it but a lot of barb aoes are eligible for SBH (slam, arma, swell)!

I know archers who were stated for fists who have or are now stating away from fists because its purely PVE and they are going r9s3 for PvP. If you wanna farm with your archer, I'd just suggest leveling a sin. They get the benefit of BP and have a mastery for damage bonus and you can share all your aps gear with them. Archer's should be stating pure dex for end game plain and simple. I see some archer's saying they're 5.0 and I just sit there and lol because it doesn't matter.

Also in response to the Polehammers with Blackhole, plenty of barbs on the HT server have it as well. And BMs with the r8 recast poleaxe have it on there too.

the problem with HA hat/cape is that you don't get the g16 set bonuses of 15def+20attack which far outweights the hp bonuses. ofc I'm assuming that you switch to full g16 for pvp.

I know archers who were stated for fists who have or are now stating away from fists because its purely PVE and they are going r9s3 for PvP. If you wanna farm with your archer, I'd just suggest leveling a sin. They get the benefit of BP and have a mastery for damage bonus and you can share all your aps gear with them. Archer's should be stating pure dex for end game plain and simple. I see some archer's saying they're 5.0 and I just sit there and lol because it doesn't matter.

cant stash r8 chest and daggers; you'll need more -int gear to hit 5aps with daggers than fists. BP point is valid but you can get hp returns with fists. while it wont matter if the archer is 5aps fist in an OP squad it wont matter if he's not pure dex either. it will hardly matter in pvp with r9rr; the value of a few stat points is overestimated.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

the problem with HA hat/cape is that you don't get the g16 set bonuses of 15def+20attack which far outweights the hp bonuses. ofc I'm assuming that you switch to full g16 for pvp.

Nah that was in reference to using just the hat and cape + r999 gear. Otherwise, yea, it wouldn't be wise.

Here's my current archer off the top of my head, i'll restat more to dex when i get around to it.
http://pwcalc.com/96d65260385693f7

Here's an approx of what she'll be in aps swap, need to get one more str ring engraving and badges for peak of clouds b:laugh I'm not too worried about defenses as i'm expecting to be another DD not a tank. Most of my gear gets stashed to bm/sin too ^_^
http://pwcalc.com/0005f774685ea258

PS i'm cheap and i like immacs atm, dont worry about it b:surrender

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It's not about the r9rr; it's just that archer has the option to still keep claws after going r9rr
Again the thing is you use G16 HA cape/helm, which means you lose out on G16 bonuses in bow mode. That sucks because that bonus is one of the best things about G16

So you'd do well to 1. go claw instead of fist. 4 STR makes all the difference and 2. Work out a build where you end up full g16 LA with a bow, which is the most important part.

I know i loose 5 attk lvl and 15 def lvl but i do get the 1200 HP (r8cast) + 409HP (G16 HA instead of G16 LA) so 1609HP add more survability than 15 def lvl on most situations, so basically Im mostly loosing just the 5 attk lvl in order to get the chance to be aps (trade 5attk lvl for -.1 int on completion and the chance of getting int too on chest).

No.f:hush

Metalogue - Archosaur wrote: »

No. Lack of fist mastery, extra strength points, addition of bow mastery... use a bow.. it's not like you can benefit from bloodpaint.

got numbers?