Which HA armor class is better?

NecroBowman - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you say bms, Am not looking foward for a fist Bm. Ty for reading.

Hi guys, I am new to pwi as well and would like to try out pwi. I am thinking of making a seeker but i don't want to use sword skills, what does everyone think?

Since you are not going for aps at all, go seeker. Both are pretty balanced on how much and what you can farm. But, I like the seekers skills a lot better, but hf will get you in more squad based farming quicker than a seeker can.

To be effective at instance solo farming, a properly geared and refined aps toon can out farm any non-aps toon.

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

lol, I am just laughing at this, how long have you been on forums now 1500 posts in 2 years. You are either trolling or honestly never played the game, but if my memory servers me correct you have been playing a while.

He was referring to op's "i dont cash but i will not make a fist bm" lol

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

lol, I am just laughing at this, how long have you been on forums now 1500 posts in 2 years. You are either trolling or honestly never played the game, but if my memory servers me correct you have been playing a while.

You also have over 1000 posts and still can't tell if someone is trolling b:chuckle

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

I am trolling too f:hehe

What is this trolling f:gone?

To the OP, if you are serious about your question, make an APS barb. Will have the easiest time soloing things, when you get the gear, but will not be "cheap" to make.

But once you can solo things, you can get the money back.

Farm what?

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hi guys, I am new to pwi as well and would like to try out pwi. I am thinking of making a seeker but i don't want to use sword skills, what does everyone think?

Implying that aps is all a BM is ever good for. Fantastic. >_> You do realize that your trolling is gonna be lost on a newbie, right?

OP: It's entirely possible to make a functional BM without significant fist specialization. Your role as a BM is partial tank and partial DD; if you can perform this role well, wherever else you place your stats or how you choose your weapons is no one's business but your own. It is worth noting, however, that most BMs carry at least one of each melee weapon type, and it's good to at least know all the weapons' skills even if you don't plan to specialize in that weapon.

In the end, roll both a BM and a Seeker and determine, on your own, which one is more fun to you.

Ignore the comments about BM being tank. All classes in this game are capable of being tanks, and that said: BMs have some of the worst aggro anyway. BMs make good pullers. They don't need apo to pull decent in Lunar thanks to Will of the Bodhisattva and Alter Marrow Magic.

The reason I would choose BM is they are way over rated for BH 100s and they can acct share with Barbs everything including weapon; especially when not aps minded. Since you are not a CS'er; acct sharing would be beneficial.

Saethos - Raging Tide wrote: »

You clearly know nothing of a BMs roll in group PvP. Period.

And I thought his questions focused around PvE and farming. Oh well, what do I know.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Op wanted farming rate. The only thing that can really farm is a claw toon. Every other form of farming is slow and you might as well merch.

I'll refer back to my first post in this thread: "farm what?"

Claws farm apo pages in 89 faster? DQ faster? OHT?

Also, when you get tired of solo farming: is claw going to help in squads or duos so much, or will axes get your team of real dds to the bosses faster?

tweakz wrote: »

Also, when you get tired of solo farming: is claw going to help in squads or duos so much, or will axes get your team of real dds to the bosses faster?

Or you can BE a real DD

Also you can never, ever get tired of seeing gold mats pop into your inventory. $$$ b:dirty

Uhm I've played all the melee classes and funniest has to be bm and seekers with bm you get to be APS and also have to opinion of aoes down side is BM can be extremely squishy until they get R9 or better armor, seekers cant solo as much and dont have the farming opinion but are much better in pk for they offer phy and magic attacks so deadly in pk and massive aoes. but for the non cash shopping player BMs are the best choice (sins are also good for farming but take a little more cash to get up there if the bm is only meant for farming) if you go with the pk/aoe of a bm then they cost more because youd need 2 sets of gear farming/pking

go roll a HA cleric then no aps no swords no multi weapons oh and no point but this seems a pretty much troll thread so meh

NecroBowman - Dreamweaver wrote: »

ill like to know, which has a better farming rate, which can solo more stuff, which is cheaper, which is funnier, and any extra info.

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Implying that aps is all a BM is ever good for. Fantastic. >_> You do realize that your trolling is gonna be lost on a newbie, right?

You are only thinking of a bm in terms of pulling and primarily NW as a farming instance. Most bms i know who do pve, pvp, have an aps set. PVE farming is primarily about aps. Axes only out dd claws/fists if people refine them and get good ones. Most have good claws/fists first, because well, farming is about aps in pve.

Until someone gets r9 3rd cast to high refines, or g16 to high refine, the axes won't do much dd compared to other classes using similar refined weapons as your axes.

Warsong = hf, lvl 1 axes will work for that, after that you need claws/fists for boss. Lunar is similar to warsong. TT is primarily about claws. Card bosses is a sin's playing ground, or use claws, clearing might require axes, but if you are thinking of that, you already know enough about the game and how to do it. Only farming instance left is NW.

NW, maps are too fragmented these days, that you rarely need to kill people. In most 1 vs 1 in nw you will either get one shot, or you will kill your opponent fast by using claws compared to ill refined axes.

I assume claws will get refined first, second will be axes, because OP wants to farm.

tweakz wrote: »

Lol aps bms are neither good at 1-1 dd or AoE, and I can get tired of maintaining multiple weapons for one single class. Real dd? - You obviously don't know what dd is. BM are stun, HF, GS, etc. Their dd outside of AoE is non factor.

If you get tired, don't hate on others who do not. As stated in the bm forums, deicide are no match for g16 fist/claws in terms of 1 vs 1 against bosses. You used deicides, try out g16 with same refines at 5 aps, and see the difference in the damage output. Most classes that took agro from you before won't be able to steal agro.

BM aoe dd = axe refine dependent. A farming bm will most likely go for a cheap alternative to axes, that is why their aoe dd will be bad compared to better (expensive) axes in the game.

In terms of skill damage output, bms are down in the list compared to casters, seekers, archers when doing aoe when using low refined weapons.

Those of us who like to play a bm, do keep 4~5 weapons and use them when the situation arises. Often times when you kill the adv boss in wood, most bm will spark, hf, and do regular dd with claws. If you kept your play style, after the boss stuns the cleric, purges the tank, the squad is in trouble. You will have no choice but to keep on dding and hope the squad makes it. Chances are, if the tank can not tank unbuffed, tank will die, boss will die, and the tank will miss out on the badge. Had you kept a sword, you could have used MSS, and bought your squad 5~25 seconds to get rebuffed and be back on track.

That being said, most people don't know how to play bm anymore sadly, they get the gear, weapons, refines, shards, but are still hopeless in pve. I often see 10~13k unbuffed bm, who can not pull to save their life.

Saethos - Raging Tide wrote: »

However these days BMs are not as important, since our main job is crowd control and casters have auto-purify, it's a pain in the *** to be a BM and do a good job at controlling the scene. And if you try to play the roll as a DD< just quit. Yes, you can oneshot casters and some LA, but you'll never outshine a seeker or sin at DD, so stick to your job to make everyone elses life easy and have your team win.

Completely agreed. When I see BMs out DDing a Sin on a boss it's because she's a mix R9 gear with +12 fists <- really someone like that on RT, I don't remember her name

Sins are single target DD.
Seekers are Groupe target AOE DD.
BMs are like Saethos said.
Barbs are the big buffy meat shield and tanker.


Speaking of Tanker... Barbs may lose agro to a perma-sparked sin or bm, but the point of the barb continuing to use agro skills ANYWAY... is because otherwise that DD is tanking all the time. If the aggro is bounced back and forth, then so be it. It's better than the DD tanking.