Your Genie Setup

My pve genie is a vit;84 magic;100 genie with expel, earthquake(lvl1), holy path, tangling mire, chi siphon and windshield on. I use this mainly for PV pulls and bh's.

My pvp genie is dex 100, vit 35 and mag 64 with windshield(lvl1), badge of courage, remove paralysis, soul of fire, AD and heart of steel.
I used to have a vit magic genie with belief but I found that my survivability was a bit better with the dex genie that I switched from to the belief genie, (perhaps because I wasn't used to using a belief genie, since I didn't have it long and was better used to the dex genie)

I've been considering getting a vit magic genie a bit like your one just to try it out again since I'm a little tanker now.

This is my PvP genie. I know, it sucks. For PvE, I just use the same one that my sin uses. There's nothing worth noting about it.

Honestly, I cannot remember how much mag/vit it has, and I cannot check right now, but it's fairly high.

Can't quite remember the affinity or the stats of mine but I know it's 77/100.
Lvl 1 Cloud Eruption.
Lvl 10 Holy Path.
Lvl 10 Absolute Domain.
Lvl 10 Expel.
Lvl 10 Extreme Poison.
Lvl 10 Tree of Protection. (Thinking of swapping out for something else)

No one uses Frenzy on their pvp genies? Its like the best skill.

Mine was dual use iirc, skills are all 10:

77/100 ~ I think.

I think it has like 188 energy. All Mag and Vit.

Holy Path
Frenzy
EP
AD
Expel
and the last skill was cycled around, I don't think I ever settled on one thing. Tried Stunning Blast but never used it much. Same with ToP. Used Mire sometimes for more AoE damage amping.

Never ended up trying Cloud Eruption. Sageness kinda makes chi overflow.

_Mictian_ - Archosaur wrote: »

imo the only scenario when frenzy could be viable is fortify ig barrage frenzy

Wings of Grace (or Alacrity) works just fine with an IG as well.

Frenzy is also fun with expel and sage boa.

_Mictian_ - Archosaur wrote: »

wog = 1 spark waste

It is never a waste of chi because it is such a good skill (15 sec antistun with 30% dmg reduc for 1 spark). Archers also have insane amounts of chi regen capabilities. If you are at full sparks and you use WoG that uses just 100 of your potential 798 chi (assuming you have awaken; 848 potential chi if sage). This is not even taking into account chi gain from using skills during combat. Nor does it factor the use of cloud eruption or chi pots (such as White Tea) to increase chi gain levels to even more ridiculous proportions.

_Mictian_ - Archosaur wrote: »

frenzy+expel = u need a 200+ vit genie kinda also u can still get cced

Expel lasts for 9 seconds. Frenzy lasts for 8 seconds. You normally channel BoA from max range. If you have even a decent mag/vit genie (I think mine had 60 or 65 mag you need maybe 175/180 energy; easily attainable with genie gears) then you will regen more than enough energy to cast both simultaneously.

You cannot be cc'd for 15 seconds if you use WoG first. This only leaves you open to magic damage (w/ 33% reduc if Sage). You can also cancel at anytime if your survival is in question and use Elven Alacrity/Leaps/Stealth to escape.

_Mictian_ - Archosaur wrote: »

maybe mires for archer are better i guess

Yes, I agree that this concept is admittedly better in group pvp scenarios such as NW or TW. However, Mire's short cast range and debuff type makes it more situational and less useful than one might think. If you could cast it from 40m or even 30m it could be arguably better. If it acted as a damage amp instead of a physical defense debuff that would help as well.

Frenzy is viable anytime you think you will not be attacked or targeted, but can still deal damage. This is possible because archers have so many ways to avoid damage while still dishing it out. This also makes it effective in single target situations (3 spark). Keep in mind you can still have a backup plan and are able to pop WoG/EA at anytime whether it is to run and fight another day or tank hits with an IG (as long as IG is not on cooldown ofc).

_Mictian_ - Archosaur wrote: »

imo the only scenario when frenzy could be viable is fortify ig barrage frenzy

Hopefully you wish to reconsider this statement by now. b:thanks

Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It is never a waste of chi because it is such a good skill (15 sec antistun with 30% dmg reduc for 1 spark). Archers also have insane amounts of chi regen capabilities. If you are at full sparks and you use WoG that uses just 100 of your potential 798 chi (assuming you have awaken; 848 potential chi if sage). This is not even taking into account chi gain from using skills during combat. Nor does it factor the use of cloud eruption or chi pots (such as White Tea) to increase chi gain levels to even more ridiculous proportions.



Expel lasts for 9 seconds. Frenzy lasts for 8 seconds. You normally channel BoA from max range. If you have even a decent mag/vit genie (I think mine had 60 or 65 mag you need maybe 175/180 energy; easily attainable with genie gears) then you will regen more than enough energy to cast both simultaneously.

You cannot be cc'd for 15 seconds if you use WoG first. This only leaves you open to magic damage (w/ 33% reduc if Sage). You can also cancel at anytime if your survival is in question and use Elven Alacrity/Leaps/Stealth to escape.



Yes, I agree that this concept is admittedly better in group pvp scenarios such as NW or TW. However, Mire's short cast range and debuff type makes it more situational and less useful than one might think. If you could cast it from 40m or even 30m it could be arguably better. If it acted as a damage amp instead of a physical defense debuff that would help as well.

Frenzy is viable anytime you think you will not be attacked or targeted, but can still deal damage. This is possible because archers have so many ways to avoid damage while still dishing it out. This also makes it effective in single target situations (3 spark). Keep in mind you can still have a backup plan and are able to pop WoG/EA at anytime whether it is to run and fight another day or tank hits with an IG (as long as IG is not on cooldown ofc).



Hopefully you wish to reconsider this statement by now. b:thanks

since you are going to be immune to everything for the next 12 seconds using ig, why waste 1 spark on wog? in those 12 seconds if you used fortify you will also recover great portion of the genie energy you've spent.

expel + frenzy? yea then a bm or an archer or a psy or a wizard or a myst or a seeker or a sin with condensed thorn use any stun and then you are CCed and with the frenzy debuff that zeros your resistances = free kill

wog+expel+frenzy+boa? good but still not as good as fortify ig boa -> chain ad or even better galvanic charge fortify ig boa ad

fortify+ig+boa+frenzy = viable

well i may agree on lack of range of mires but frenzy involve too many risks for my gameplay.... i'd rather save that skill slot and amount of genie chi for defensive purposes... so even in mass pvp im not using both mires either frenzy

i repeat, imo frenzy is viable only for ig+boa use -> tws

_Mictian_ - Archosaur wrote: »

since you are going to be immune to everything for the next 12 seconds using ig, why waste 1 spark on wog? in those 12 seconds if you used fortify you will also recover great portion of the genie energy you've spent.

expel + frenzy? yea then a bm or an archer or a psy or a wizard or a myst or a seeker or a sin with condensed thorn use any stun and then you are CCed and with the frenzy debuff that zeros your resistances = free kill

wog+expel+frenzy+boa? good but still not as good as fortify ig boa -> chain ad or even better galvanic charge fortify ig boa ad

fortify+ig+boa+frenzy = viable

well i may agree on lack of range of mires but frenzy involve too many risks for my gameplay.... i'd rather save that skill slot and amount of genie chi for defensive purposes... so even in mass pvp im not using both mires either frenzy

i repeat, imo frenzy is viable only for ig+boa use -> tws

Except ig -> boa is only usable when apoth is available. If you're in a situation when your apoth is on cd or you don't want to have to blow it, WoG + BoA + Expel + Frenzy offers a viable alternative. The only thing that's going to drop BoA through that is dying from excessive magic damage.

NW genie

Holy path
Fortify
Soul of fire
Will surge
Heart of steel
Belief

TW genie

Holy path
Fortify
Cloud eruption
Will surge
Heart of steel
Absolute domain

PvE/PValley genie

Holy path
Fortify
Expel
Absolute domain
Cloud eruption
Extreme posion

Now that I am used to using belief I will be upgrading my NW genie to a higher LP version and potentially include extreme poison/oxygen bubble not decided yet.

My PvE Genie is a Gold Longevity that has some strange stat allocations (Made when genies were still new) that uses Holy Path, Tree of Protection, Cloud Eruption, Absolute Domain, And Stunning Blast.

My PvP Genie is a Gold Discipline that uses Faith, Holy Path, Tree of Protection, Tangling Mire, And Extreme Poison. I have to save up chi and use awaken whenever needed, but in pvp i just try to use it as sparingly as possible so faith can recharge. Holy Path and ToP are used for emergencies or when i have it equipped during PvE. Tangling and Extreme Poison are for damage tests, as I had two slots on genie which i really didnt have anything better to put on it. I have just enough Vit on it to have faith, then the rest stuffed in Mag. This allows genie to recharge a few seconds before the next faith (which has a 1 minute cooldown) is available. Faith is kinda the perfect defensive skill, at the cost of making it a once a minute use.

I also have a 71 LP Zeal that I gave stupid stats and skills too, but mainly use for fooling around. Bramble Rage b:dirty