Can Taoya be solo'd??

Even if you're able to solo Taoya, you're going to need help with the next step, as someone's going to have to lure the Prison Warden away while you talk to the prisoner in the cage.

You'll have to kill the Prison Warden and Savagian Commander Pao after that, but both are range-tankable and deal magic damage at range, unlike Taoya.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Even if you're able to solo Taoya, you're going to need help with the next step, as someone's going to have to lure the Prison Warden away while you talk to the prisoner in the cage.

Send devil to attack a mob off in the distance- talk to npc while mobs are chasing it.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

She mean use is as a tank, it's a Venomancer that wrote that, so she think like a Venomancer and think Mystic tank with summon pets like Venomancer do with pets.

Veno pets are not always better tank than veno, and mystic summons are not always better for dd. -It's situational.

Mystic's summon pets are not made for tank, while Venomancer's pets (Hercules) are.

-Source? (Herc is bad tank btw)

Devil don't have the defense of a Hercules and could not tank what a Hercules can tank, but what the Hercules cannot tank the Mystic can, that's the difference, if a Hercules cannot tank a boss then the Venomancer won't be able to solo it, while the Mystic will be able to tank it and use the summon pets as second DD or for survivability in the case of Salvation.

bs. Herc is 1-shot on many 5k hit bosses. Herc can't dmg at range, etc.

For my Mystic's summon pets the stats are:

Devil:
HP: 5299
P.def: 6022
M.def: 5843

Mistress:
HP: 4657
P.def: 4952
M.def: 6378

Summon stats vary.

Mystic's summon pets have a better HP, but the Venomancer's pets have a way better defenses, but if we check my mystic HP/defenses:

Mystic (I'm 102) self buff:
HP: 7423
P.def: 9784
M.def: 16372 wood/water, 10731 earth/fire/metal.

Mystic self buff, cleric, barb and bm's buffs:
HP: 9447
P.def: 15250
M.def: 20175 wood/water, 14534 earth/fire/metal.

So as we can see the Hercules have better defenses then Devil, but the Mystic have better defenses then the Hercules. (Mystic also have better survivability due to our heals that have a fast CD and channeling)

Any class has better defenses than Herc, while some have less HP than Devil.

So it would be ridiculous for a Mystic to try to tank a boss with Devil, when the Mystic itself have better defenses and survivability then a Hercules.

Who's mentioning tanking with devil? b:question

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Those are unbuffed stats, the buffed stats don't show up on the pet stat sheet.

100 herc self-buffed stats:
HP 4585
PDef 24880 (base PDef * 2.5 with level 5 Strong)
MDef 19902 (base MDef * 2.5 with level 5 Protect)

100 Phoenix self-buffed:
HP 4967 (base HP * 1.3 with level 5 Blessing of the Pack)
PDef 9952
MDef 11942

When I wrote the stats of my herc/nix I logged in game buffed them and right click to check the stats, to be honest I didn't know it just show unbuffed stats cause I never tried to compare herc/nix unbuffed and buffed stats, since I always use them buffed I always buffed them then check the stats and assumed it was the buffed stats. (would be nice though that they change it so we can see the real stats buffed and unbuffed)

Thank for the info.

thumbs wrote: »

Veno pets are not always better tank than veno, and mystic summons are not always better for dd. -It's situational.

The point is not if veno can tank better or not then a herc. The point is that a veno using a pet as tank is a normal technique for them, but a mystic should not use that technique to solo a boss. (in my opinion)

thumbs wrote: »

-Source? (Herc is bad tank btw)

It's my opinion and I do know a lot of mystics that do agree that devil should not be use as tank for soloing a boss. Before the sins arrive in game majority of people was making veno and buying herc to be able to solo TT using the herc as tank. I personally never heard someone that wanted to buy a herc 150m if it wasn't to use it to solo stuff and if the veno was better to tank than the herc why would they waste 150m to buy a herc?

If the devil was better then a herc for tanking then who in the world would make a veno and pay 150m for a herc when they could make a mystic and get the devil for free without the trouble of lvl him.

I don't say that herc is a better pet then the summon devil, I just say that in my opinion they are not made for the same thing, on my veno I use my herc to tank stuff, on my mystic I use my devil in PVP, I never use my herc in PVP as I don't use my devil as tank.

thumbs wrote: »

Summon stats vary.

Everyone know that, it's why I said my mystic's summons stats.

thumbs wrote: »

Any class has better defenses than Herc, while some have less HP than Devil.

And you think no one have better defenses than Devil?
Why you think caster shard in garnet beside cit? Defenses>Hp, yes a minimum hp is important, but you could get 10k hp that won't help you to survive if you have 1k p.def/m.def.

Is there people with worse stats then Devil? Yes, people with **** gears can have worse stats then Devil, but to say that any class have better defense than herc is wrong.

Mayfly posted:
100 herc self-buffed stats:
PDef 24880 (base PDef * 2.5 with level 5 Strong)
MDef 19902 (base MDef * 2.5 with level 5 Protect)

So base on the defenses stats Mayfly posted, I'm sorry, but not every class have better defenses then herc and actually unless OP end game gears and fully buffed not a lot of people have almost 25k p.def and almost 20k m.def.

thumbs wrote: »

Who's mentioning tanking with devil? b:question

Mayfly pretty much insinuated that if a Devil cannot tank a boss then unless HA a mystic cannot solo it.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Soloable with a herc, wouldn't try it with a devil. (The mythical heavy armor mystic might be able to solo.)

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

The point is not if veno can tank better or not then a herc. The point is that a veno using a pet as tank is a normal technique for them, but a mystic should not use that technique to solo a boss. (in my opinion)

You're right; it's opinion. Venos aren't good tanks but that's another argument.

It's my opinion and I do know a lot of mystics that do agree that devil should not be use as tank for soloing a boss.

My example was to clarify that a mystic using a summons as a tank was likely more successful than a veno using a pet as a tank.

Before the sins arrive in game majority of people was making veno and buying herc to be able to solo TT using the herc as tank. I personally never heard someone that wanted to buy a herc 150m if it wasn't to use it to solo stuff and if the veno was better to tank than the herc why would they waste 150m to buy a herc?

There are better uses for herc before and later.

If the devil was better then a herc for tanking then who in the world would make a veno and pay 150m for a herc when they could make a mystic and get the devil for free without the trouble of lvl him.

People make veno for purge, amp, cuteness of pets, etc.

I don't say that herc is a better pet then the summon devil, I just say that in my opinion they are not made for the same thing, on my veno I use my herc to tank stuff, on my mystic I use my devil in PVP, I never use my herc in PVP as I don't use my devil as tank.

Why bother me with your opinion? Please state fact.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

You asked, you don't want my opinion? Then don't ask and don't quote me. I'm free to say my opinion and you are free to don't read it.

Opinion is useless.