New Veno's Pets: Simply a Failure

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Mistress = a mystic skill

Harpy = a veno battle pet

Why people compare skills and battle pets?

It's not the same thing and they don't have the same utility.

It's like when veno complain that ''QQ mystic summons's stats is base on the mystic's gears, it's unfair...'', battle pet is an animal used by a veno to fight by their side, summons skills are summons created by mystic by a magic spell, we cast our summons, they are a spell, veno pets are animals, not a magic spell. Veno's attack skills damage is base on your magic attack and weapon damage right? Well mistress and our other summons are skills so yes our skills summons stats are base on our gears/m.attack/weapon like any other class skills, all skills (except buff/debuff/passive skills) are base on the attack/weapon of the person, mystic is not a exception.

I do understand the venomancers jealousy back in time we was running caster cause they had no useful pets for that instance while mystic skill summon mistress was useful, but now caster is dead and venomancers have no reason to envy a summon skill.

Summons skills=/=Battle pets.

Venomancers battle pets are animals they tame and use them as battle pet, our summons are skills on our skills tree, we learn them as skills we don't go tame them. We need mana to cast them cause they are skills, venomancers doesn't cast their pets they call them.

http://pwi.ecatomb.net/skill.php

Go check mystic, our summons are all there with a mana cost, channeling time, cast time, cooldown time and a Required Cultivation. It's skills like other skills that we need to lvl 1-10 and they have a demon/sage version lvl11.

So summons are skills, pets are not skills, stop compare the mystic's skills to venomancers battle pets.

I do play both venomancer and mystic and summons skills and pets don't have the same utility.

Did you ever saw people buy their all class baby bear 1m and come complain ''QQ veno can tame the baby bear for free and have it with skills, I BUY it for 1m and it doesn't have skills and do nothing QQ...'', no cause they don't have the same utility, a battle pet is use to fight and a all class pet is use to be a cute companion.

Venomancers have over 50 ''monsters'' they can tame, cause their battle pets are animals they tame and turn into a battle pets, on mystic we don't have any choice cause summons are skills, our choice is which one we cast at which moment.

Also why you think mystics cannot names their summons? It will be silly to give a name to a skill that already have a name, while venomancer can names their pets since they are not a magic spell casted , but are existing animals.

So yes to me it make sens that on over 50 monsters a venomancer can tame that there's 4 rare pets that need to be bought from the boutique, while mystic's summons are skills. We do pay with spirit, money to lvl our summons skills from 1 to 11 and we need to pay the sage/demon book.

Sorry for the long post, but I'm really tired to see people compare oranges with apples, summons are skills, pets are not, stop compare mystic skills, with your battle pets, it's not the same thing.



Lol... veno is the cheapest class to play and also not the weakest class. You do something wrong.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I do have a nix and a herc on my venomancer.



There's great free pets, the legendary are not needed.

Casters gears are not the most expensive ones, specially for support class like veno and mystic for PVE squad, for solo stuff a veno don't need OP gears if the herc can solo, while the mystic need decent gears since the mystic is the tank when he solo something.



Yes in the past veno with herc was took over non-herc veno in squad and veno with nix in TW factions, but it's not the case anymore (unless people on PVE servers are **** and do ask for herc/nix).

I never saw a venomancer kick out a squad cause no herc. (Speaking now, not 3-4 years ago)

I did get nix/herc cause I wanted them, not needed them, I'll be honest and tell you that the only reason I wanted them was to show off, that's all.

If people want to complain about the price of the new pets go ahead, but don't use mystic skills for compare with the battle pets. Just say that the legendary battle pets suck and don't worth 70m.

Still want to compare mystic summons skills to battle pets?

Take the cragg and herc.

Herc cost 70m
No chi needed.
Not timed.
Don't cost mana.
No CD.
Can be use to solo instances to farm money.

Cragg cost minimum 36m. (6m for lvl 1-11 and 30m minimum the book for lvl11)
Cost 2 sparks. (Demon version is broke and always cost 2 sparks)
Last 20-23 seconds.
1950 mana cost to cast.
60 seconds CD.
Cannot be use to solo instances to farm money.

So for 34m more than a mystic for cragg a veno can get a legendary pet that is not timed, cost no chi, no mana, no CD and can be use to solo instances to farm money. (Cragg also cost us 5m spirit and cannot be use as a tank)

Our 3 other summons skills together (Mistress, Devil and Salvation) cost total around 35m (including the money that cost for lvl1-11 and the books lvl11), also around 7.2m spirit. They all cost mana to cast and we need to constantly feed them with our mana so they can use their skills. So veno pay 35m more for the legendary nix, that cost no mana at all.

Also our skills requisite a certain cultivation to learn them and lvl them.

A veno can use herc and solo TT to farm even if the veno have **** gears since it's the herc that tank, a mystic with **** gears could not solo TT even with his summons. So mystic do pay money for their skills summons, but to solo farm TT they need to have decent gears, while veno pay ~35m more for a herc, but don't need great gears since the herc is use as tank.

So you compare sumons skills with battle pet, that actually cost you 35m more than a mystic on his summons while you can use the herc to farm, but the 35m more you pay on pets, we pay it on our gears, cause mystic is the tank when he solo something the summons assist help us.

Our skills lvl11 are way more expensive than veno, yes veno have 25 skills that can be lvl 11 and mystic 18, but we have only one skill under 5m which is AS all the rest of our skills are over 5m and some reach 50m, while veno have a lot of skills that cost 500k-1m, the most expensive skill I saw for veno was summer sprint at 20m. Just wood mastery, which is the same skill for both veno and mystic (same sage/demon version) cost 1m for veno and can reach 50m for mystic. (I'm not exaggerating, I sold mystic sage wood mastery 40m last night and I took the first offer I got cause didn't wanted to put in shop or wc for hours)

So our 4 summons skills are not as free as veno think, total it cost us minimum 70m (depending on the price of the books for lvl11), none of them can be use to solo instance and farm cause none of them have enough defense to tank a boss (TT), yes mystic have the ability to solo stuff, but it's cause of our healing skills and good defenses, not cause of our summons, our summons will help to do it faster that's all.

Still think that pay 35m more for a legendary pet more than a mystic on his summons his unfair? Even if mystics have way much more expensive skills lvl11?

Let's talk about flyers, veno can get a 3.2 flyer for less than 20m and a 3.3 for around 50m. Mystic 3.0 flyer cost 20m, there's no 3.2 flyers for EG and the 3.3 flyers for EG are 150-200m. So we need to pay 100-180m more than a veno to have a flyer faster than 3.0 and it's without counting the amount of p.stones we spend in the 3.0 flyer to use the speed to be able to catch other players in PVP/TW/NW. (trust me it's a lot of p.stones)

So veno that still think that mystic is a free class and that veno is crazy expensive are idiot that doesn't take 2 seconds to think that every class have stuff to pay, archers that play since 3-4 years how much you think they paid in arrows, barbs and bm on repairs? Clerics, Wizz, psy and mystic on pots? Veno cost pretty much almost no mp pots, while other caster need to use pots, cleric need to buy mp charm to use plume shell, when I was playing cleric that was 1-2 mp charms each week, at 3m the charm that make around 300m a year just in mp charms to be able to use 1 skill.

Wow that wall of text. xD