Free players raging about cash-shop users

Who cares?

This is only a problem due to jealousy from the non cash shoppers. If they don't have the money to spend they have to work for it; oh well. Life isn't fair. They complain but they still play right?

It's like life you have rich and poor people. Poor people complain. Life goes on.

Instead of them crying, you have people who don't complain and farm their end game gear that others bought and you don't hear them, and they said they farmed it.

This topic is useless, nuff said.

Well actually i say its better spend your money on r9 than on a new car, because hey at least r9 isnt ruining our environment and you will get fat with both after all xD

Problem is, the more money people are willing to spend the harder it becomes for people for dont use real money. The gold prices increase and lesser ppl are going to use TT mats you can farm because theyre just buying already crafted and refined gear or even rank. And you need to farm very long to get good gear if you dont wanna die in dungeons like WS. If lesser people would spend real money, there wouldnt be so much ppl with r9 and the dungeons would be able to be done with tt99s as well probably. I dont know if its good or bad, but it is a point Oh, and of course powerlvling wouldnt be so popular if you rush 101 with real money and then just buy your r9 without doing at least one normal quest.

I am not a cashshopper, so i am a no-life gamer because i need to farm/merch everything. About this whole no life obsessed thing is a stupid thing to throw with in online gaming anyway. Stand for your choises en life, be a nerd and be proud of it !b:chuckle

Other than that, my opinion on cashshopping. I think it is worse than drugs or gambling actually. Games originally came to life to be a means of challenging oneself or one another. Beating others at a game can provide a feeling of glory. When buy OP gear with dollars, you take that away and thus the game becomes moot. If you do still have a feeling of glory anyway, you are deluding yourself. If you keep spending more and more money because you must be stronger than others, i think you need psychological help.

However, i dont complain cuz we need to keep the servers running and i need to have a healthy market to merch in b:pleased

No cashers = no servers.
/End of discussion

Ppl do with their money what they want. Life would be boring and annoying if you have to limit yourself to only the necessary and the healthy. I don't really see the major difference between buying ingame items or buying an expensive car, fancy clothes or a 20th pair of shoes. All are a waste of money. I like to waste money. I wouldn't be happy on 5 veggies and fruits with 125g meat and 2L water only a day.

If anyone got a problem with that, well, then that is their problem and not mine.

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

Other than that, my opinion on cashshopping. I think it is worse than drugs or gambling actually. Games originally came to life to be a means of challenging oneself or one another. Beating others at a game can provide a feeling of glory. When buy OP gear with dollars, you take that away and thus the game becomes moot. If you do still have a feeling of glory anyway, you are deluding yourself. If you keep spending more and more money because you must be stronger than others, i think you need psychological help.

I really don't agree with this :
- I don't really see gambling as a bad thing. If someone is willing to pay for the thrill of seeing number roll on a screen, why shouldn't they ? Really, go to a horse race and watch 1 round without, then 1 round with buying a gambling ticket. You'll see the difference even if it's just 1$.
- Some just play games to pass time and relax. It's the same for any activity and game. For some it's sport, for others it's just hobby.
- Since the ways to get gear without cash shopping is mainly sitting in a catshop for hours and deteriorating the game for many others, I really don't see what glory you're talking about.
- Associating cash shoppers to the extreme case doesn't do anything. There are also cases of players that want to farm their gear because they don't have money rl, and because of that they can't find a job, so they won't be able to earn money, meaning they are forced to farm. Look back at the posts of when the tideborn expension came out (or the earthguard, or new server) and you'll see how true it is.

Uzi_Man - Harshlands wrote: »

Hello. I came to put this matter into discussion, as I want to hear your opinions about this:

I don't know if this is only happening on Harshlands, but I don't think I'm the only one who has seen the fights on WC between the cash-shopping players and the users who don't pay.

Most of the free players say that anyone who cash-shops is a person without a life, a person who is addicted and obssessed with this game and doesn't know what to do with his/her money. And some of them say that cash-shopping is not bad, but the point where you start having money issues in real life for putting too much money on this game must be prevented.

In the other side, most cash-shoppers say that they can do anything they want with their money, because they own and deserve it. And some of them say that although they spend thousands of dollars on this game, they're not addicted.

I want to know your opinion about this, because this is a serious problem, as it has been opening breaches in the community.

So they say a person who cash shops has no life,hmmmmmm. I think the set who farm all of their stuff are basically the most fitted to say they spend the majority of their timeingame farming stuff... And if it was not for the cash shoppers how would the person who farms in game get botique items.. in my opinion i think the free players tend to just be jealous because a casher can cash an still live their life at the same time... At the end of the day people always tries to find fault in others always want to try bring down another person... At the end of the day it's the farmers who is more dependent on the cashers.. well basically they need each other

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

I think it's stupid to generalize and stereotype about a group of people based on whether or not spend money.

This includes

"F2P players are just jealous"

"Cash shoppers have no life"

"Cash shoppers are addicted"

"F2P have too much time on their hands because they don't work as hard as I do. If they just got a job flipping burgers or something, they could do the same thing."

"Cash shoppers neglect things they actually need in their personal life."

There are plenty of people who spend tons of money on this game, and have no great gear to show for it but have every piece of fashion in multiple colors and all the best flyers and mounts. There are plenty of people who haven't spent a dime on this game, who have good gear. There are people who actually can't afford the money they put into the game, just as their are people that could have bought that gear, and a new car, and a college education, and paid all their bills, and went out with friends because they enough money that getting r9 is no different than splurging at a nice restaurant. There are people that could afford it but choose not to because they dont' want to for whatever reason. You just can't tell much about a person's personal life or personality based off what pixel gear they are wearing.

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CapnK - Sanctuary wrote: »

I cash shop.

I work ten hours a day and then teach vocational school in the evenings. I don't have time to no-life farm except on the weekends. I do a bit of merchanting also but again time is an issue because I don't have time to compare prices with other catshops or sift through horrible AH filters.

So yeah, I have no problem throwing some real money at the game. It's a very small percentage of what I make. And it lets me actually do what I want to do when I'm playing the game instead of being in farm-farm-farm mode all the time.

I always say if the game closedown the farmers wud actually feel it more because money comes an goes but time spent does notb:surrender

I will give an example of an odd semi-cash shopper. Me.

What do I use with zen?

1. Fashion
2. Fox Smiles (this is mostly for my in-game wife)
3. Mounts/Flyers

All non-essential items. The proof that I am not lying is noticed by anyone who knows/has seen my main on RT. An Assassin with no Rank 9 gear what-so-ever and alts with only up to Rank 6. I don't even cash shop much anymore since I started randomly jumping MMOs five months ago, but I supported this game for a good 2 full years (total playtime 4 years and counting).

So some of the cash shoppers could be like me ya know. Work for gear, but not caring to put more effort then needed for non-essential items.b:chuckle

This game is too ridiculous to just dump a bunch of money in. I doubt most people with endgame gear straight bought their way to endgame. I know a lot of cash shoppers farm and then spend a few hundred for that last few hundred gold they need.

_dblazen_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No cashers = no servers.
/End of discussion

Maybe I'm frugal. I can afford whatever PWI offers hand over fist, but life's lessons have taught me this...

Go ahead and cash shop thousands if you want. It's your money... but when PWI pulls the plug, those thousands I could have spent, are still in my bank account, or in my 401k, or other places like my investment portfolios, and not lost in cyberspace with memories of me being "so pro" at a button pushing game.

Want to spend it, by all means, do so. Make sure you can still live your life, and keep bills paid. We all have hobbies.

Well on the topic to be honest I think its the opposite of having "No life" if you charge. Because how many instances can you do to actually make some money? Delta? Maybe a little in WS little in TT? Considering time you have spent doing those and just charge X amount makes life easier. But than again I think Zen should give you a lot more gold than what it does.

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Simple matter. We need Cash Shoppers, especially the farmers. I am a farmer. Where the hell should my costumers get their money from to buy my mats if not through charging Zen? Where do you guys think does the money on our server come from?

Cash Shoppers build the basis to be able to sell stuff in the first place. And the Farmers give them a reason to charge. It all works out in the end and it's just fine as it is. The more CSers the better for the game. And it is also good for me (: if they are rich enough I can surely make some good deals =P

The main source of raw coin in the market these days is bh 100.

People should stop judging people on how much they C$.

Having ''no life'' doesn't depend on how much someone C$, but more on how much a person spend time in game. I know some big C$ers that spend maybe 2-4 hours in game everyday vs some ''free'' players that spend 10 hours + each day in game.

People have different hobbies.

There's smokers that pay over 10$ each day in cigarettes. (ok it's not a hobby, but a bad habbit, but still something that cost a lot of money)

There's girls that spend more than 100$ in make up each month.

There's people with huge dvd collections or other sort of collections.

Etc...

People spend their money in what they want.

Even if someone spent 5000$ over 5 years it's less money than a smoker on cigarettes, less money than majority of girls on beauty products, etc....

My mom could spend 1000$ on ONE pair of earrings that she will wear 2-3 times in the year, does it's better than 1000$ in a year in PWI for someone that play it everyday?

The problem is that majority of ''free'' players will use the excuse of C$ to tell other people they are noobs and have no life as a lot of big C$ers think they are superior cause of it. It all depend on each person.

IBaMBii - Heavens Tear wrote: »

End game gear is reachable now with money and in the end that's what pwi wanted. They make too much money from the shoppers to honestly do anything about the non shoppers.. So why is it so important that they complain. Quit go to a fair game.

No game is totally fair, there'll be always the ones who can pay to win and the others who can't pay and have to farm their things themselves.

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Errr, not every cs'er spends ridiculous amounts of money. I don't mind supporting a game I like with a little bit of money a month. Other people spend more cash on magazines/cinema/whatever than I do on PWI. lol

Yup, I do the same, I've spend a very little amount of money on PWI but was for simple things like rep and tokens...

What I think about cashoppers is that they're lazy. They're lazy and probably rich, but lazy for sure, they don't wanna work for their things in-game and prefer to do it the easy way that is to pay! I've lot of friends that are like this, they come next to me and say "yaay, look to my new g16 weapon!" and what I think is "wow, you just paid for it, where's the feeling of victory in that?!... ._." but well, they're my friends so i just say "gratz "