Warsong Help
So I've never been to Warsong and recently became 100 and I was wondering what would be the easiest path for me to take? Don't really want to look like the idiot who died and made every one fail/or die b:sweat
My gear:
http://pwcalc.com/4f913698dcfcf46d
For some reason some of the stats seem to be off. Not really a pro at this and honestly don't have the time to figure it out so I'll just type it out.
Hp:4223
MP:9792
Mag atk: 6916-8900
Crit:4%
P.def:1572
Mag.Def: 7945 for all
SoulForce:15,007
On the weapon the stats are:
Crit+3
HP+350
Magic+18
All un-buffed.
I would appreciate any help you people could give b:surrender
My gear:
http://pwcalc.com/4f913698dcfcf46d
For some reason some of the stats seem to be off. Not really a pro at this and honestly don't have the time to figure it out so I'll just type it out.
Hp:4223
MP:9792
Mag atk: 6916-8900
Crit:4%
P.def:1572
Mag.Def: 7945 for all
SoulForce:15,007
On the weapon the stats are:
Crit+3
HP+350
Magic+18
All un-buffed.
I would appreciate any help you people could give b:surrender
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Metal's easy because the wraiths dont have any MDef.
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Metal or fire.
Metal mobs are killed faster, fire has tons of space making the head easier (though for a psychic that isn't really a big issue since landslide alone can keep it off you).
Try to solo a path during a bh so you're prepaired and know what's coming when going for a full ws.0 -
i'd say metal. but first, replace the neck with a physical one (sky demon's pearl) and the cape with cape of elite leather (total cost would be less than 10m including refines/shards and you can sell the other ones)Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »Metal's easy because the wraiths dont have any MDef.
technically, they don't have any mdef for our elementsTry to solo a path during a bh so you're prepaired and know what's coming when going for a full ws.
+1you only purge once #yopo0 -
Metal and fire are the best options for a psy. However, given your setup and gear, I would suggest that you only do metal until you have mostly g15 and a g16 sphere. Make sure you have a jones blessing for the extra 30 attk levels.
Get p. def neck/belt and refine to at least +3. I would suggest the pearl neck (legendary, has +5% max HP) or neck of giant str TT gold neck.
Now for the last part. You have a lot of points in vit. They are wasted there. We only get 10hp per vit point. You get much more out of stating pure mag. Bigger mp pool, hit harder, mp regen faster. Hitting harder= kill faster and you don't get hit often.
Metal Pav: pretty simple. Landslide the head away followed by an attempt to freeze it. If that fails to proc then use one of your two slowing skills and aoe the mobs down. Try to get the head lined up to go down the middle so that you can glacial shard and freeze the head while killing the mobs. (The mobs explode so keep your distance. NEVER AQUA CANNON) keep soul of silence/soul of vengeance and black voodoo on for metal pav.
Fire Pav: use black voodoo and soul of vengeance only! If you choose to use soul of silence, you will be face palming yourself as you soul burn a mag resist mob only to watch SoS proc every time and your mob run in the opposite direction. Otherwise, follow the same game plan as metal pav. I rarely move except to holy path up and get an essence drop then back to my spot. Doing this, I have never failed a pav and only practiced once.
Good luck!0 -
Zymari - Archosaur wrote: »Bigger mp pool, hit harder, mp regen faster.
we have a huge mp pool and mp is cheap (regen is kinda pointless anyway).
10hp per point is still some hp; have you calculated how much attack he'll get per mag point?you only purge once #yopo0 -
Zymari - Archosaur wrote: »Now for the last part. You have a lot of points in vit. They are wasted there. We only get 10hp per vit point. You get much more out of stating pure mag. Bigger mp pool, hit harder, mp regen faster. Hitting harder= kill faster and you don't get hit often.
I don't agree that the points in vit are a waste. Seems to be 100 points, so 1000k hp before buff vs a 1x weap multiplier. With OP hp pool, I don't think it's bad he/she has those points. Sure, ideally vit is not needed. But flat fish is only good for the bbq. Ppl shouldn't say so fast that vit is a waste...0 -
I don't agree that the points in vit are a waste. Seems to be 100 points, so 1000k hp before buff vs a 1x weap multiplier. With OP hp pool, I don't think it's bad he/she has those points. Sure, ideally vit is not needed. But flat fish is only good for the bbq. Ppl shouldn't say so fast that vit is a waste...
not so sure what OP's build is; he has 100 points in vit but he has 100 extra points in his build too.
i think that 4k hp is an absolute bare minimum for the metal pav and would skill require a lot of concentration/skill/items, especially if you get a sac head. but even without a sac head, a normal head will hit you around 4k (maybe even more since he has 1.5k pdef atm). even with barb buffs, his hp will be around 5.5k, a few hits from the mobs + a hit from the head = failed pav. sure, ideally the head should not touch you but **** = lag happens. on the bright side you can use pdef charms so the head hit would be 2k and that's what OP should do. a hp charm is not a bad idea either. offense-wise I had no problem with a g13+5 sphere (i was 50vit; I'm definetely putting another 100 for friday's NW btw) so OP should be ok.you only purge once #yopo0 -
Psychic Class Statistics
Hit Points (HP) gained per Vitality point 10
HP gained per level 20
Base HP regenerated per second at level 1 1
Magic Points (MP) gained per Magic point 14
MP gained per level 28
Base MP regenerated per second at level 1 2
Accuracy gained per Dexterity point 5
Evasion gained per Dexterity point 2
Base ground speed in meters per second 4.8
Chi gained per normal attack 3
Main attack damage attribute Mag
Psychic Starting Statistics
HP 50
MP 70
P Atk 4
M Atk 4
Accuracy 25
Evasion 10
Movement Speed 4.8 m/s
As you see, you gain much more from mag stating on a psy than from vit. As for our mp pool....your comments shows how little you know. We cast fast, sage/demon skills greatly increase the amount of mp we use. Sage bubble of life cost 1240 mp to cast. Cast that twice and watch 1/5-1/4 of your mp bar go bye bye. Herbs may be cheap to purchase but the extra mp regen goes a long way and having an increase mp pool size helps a lot. I can drain my mp bar once for every 2-3 that a seeker in vort goes through with the right combination of skills. In FW/FL/Delta we use mainly aoe skills which drain more mp.
I also notice you didn't touch my part of the comment about the mag attk or killing faster keeps you alive. You are a TROLL for simply picking out the added bonus to the extra mag attk from stating mag not vit.
As for your "10hp is still some HP" comment, YOU ARE what your name states. A PotatoHead....clearly all starch up there and no brains! It's called refining. Refines will give you 10x the HP that sharding or adding points to vit will do. If you really must have vit, THEN SHARD VIT STONES. He could easily drop the 100 vit points into mag and refine his gear to +3 or 4 using just mirages for under 3 mill and make up the difference in HP lost from the restat.0 -
Zymari - Archosaur wrote: »Psychic Class Statistics
Hit Points (HP) gained per Vitality point 10
HP gained per level 20
Base HP regenerated per second at level 1 1
Magic Points (MP) gained per Magic point 14
MP gained per level 28
Base MP regenerated per second at level 1 2
Accuracy gained per Dexterity point 5
Evasion gained per Dexterity point 2
Base ground speed in meters per second 4.8
Chi gained per normal attack 3
Main attack damage attribute Mag
Psychic Starting Statistics
HP 50
MP 70
P Atk 4
M Atk 4
Accuracy 25
Evasion 10
Movement Speed 4.8 m/s
As you see, you gain much more from mag stating on a psy than from vit. As for our mp pool....your comments shows how little you know. We cast fast, sage/demon skills greatly increase the amount of mp we use. Sage bubble of life cost 1240 mp to cast. Cast that twice and watch 1/5-1/4 of your mp bar go bye bye. Herbs may be cheap to purchase but the extra mp regen goes a long way and having an increase mp pool size helps a lot. I can drain my mp bar once for every 2-3 that a seeker in vort goes through with the right combination of skills. In FW/FL/Delta we use mainly aoe skills which drain more mp.
I also notice you didn't touch my part of the comment about the mag attk or killing faster keeps you alive. You are a TROLL for simply picking out the added bonus to the extra mag attk from stating mag not vit.
As for your "10hp is still some HP" comment, YOU ARE what your name states. A PotatoHead....clearly all starch up there and no brains! It's called refining. Refines will give you 10x the HP that sharding or adding points to vit will do. If you really must have vit, THEN SHARD VIT STONES. He could easily drop the 100 vit points into mag and refine his gear to +3 or 4 using just mirages for under 3 mill and make up the difference in HP lost from the restat.
oh dear lord you are seriously arguing that mp regen and mana pool mattersb:chuckle
I refined his gear to +5 and removed the vit:
http://pwcalc.com/1fe4e487039e8af1
he has around 350 less hp.
and about your "hitting hard killing faster" comment... we cast spells. it doesn't matter if you get 3 hits and leave the target to 1000 or 1hp, you still have to cast a 4th; from my experience, reducing the number of hits takes a lot more than 100 points. about the other argument on mattack... yes, we all now that mag points give you more mag attack. the question (the one that you avoided and just told me how much accuracy i get per dex point) is how much mattack.
so... lets see his build:
full mag: 7157-9210 -> 8183
100 vit: 5888-7577 -> 6732
OMG 1451 points! and if we consider attack levels? OMG 3k points (with 100 attack levels OP doesn't have). my psychic senses haven't dull from my lack of mag enough to not assume that you are focused on pve (what with your description of a fantasy land in which mp regen matters), so I'd like to point out that those 3k points are gonna be nerfec to...750. and considering that most people run around in at least 50% reduction you are down to a laughable 370. so gratz, you lost 1000hp for 370 damage.
oh and let's not forget...
YOU ARE what your name states. A Zymari (=pasta in greek)....clearly all starch up there and no brains! It's called refining. Refines will give you 10x the mattack that adding points to mag will do. If you really must have more attack, THEN SHARD DOT STONES.
and convieniently, DoTs are way cheaper than Vit stones... you see, most of us don't run arround in maxed r9rr+12 josd chars so we have to consider our budget... now i have 150mil... I could either +11 my weapon and stat vit or +9 4-5 pieces of my gear... guess which one is better
oh btw; have you even calculated how much mp regen you get by your precious mag?you only purge once #yopo0 -
You are far too focused on mp regen. I was merely stating that the regen is a nice bonus to stating mag just like a larger mp pool is a nice bonus. Sure, you can sit there and waste your time clicking the herb hockey very 15-20 sec if you like so you can have the added 100 points in vit.
350 points doesn't make **** for difference when he has **** refines and **** p. def. he's a 2-3 shot to most mobs his level if he doesn't kill them before they get to him. So hitting harder kills faster and saves your life.
Also, you refined HIS GEAR. He's in tt90!!! G15/16 refines for much better and if he is trying to run FW then he is going for endgame. Mr. PotatoHead, I used to have 100 points in vit....restated it to mag..the difference in how fast I killed was huge! Now take into account crits on his current mag to his mag with another 100 points in mag.
Now onto refines vs. sharding bits or dots... We are a soul force class. Refines come first for us and help with HP/mag attk(weapon) along with boosting our soulforce.0 -
f:worry
Maybe I can simplify this down.
Do you guys think with my current gear I could do a BH/full WS? If not how do you suggest I get the gear to be able to complete WS?0 -
Do you guys think with my current gear I could do a BH/full WS? If not how do you suggest I get the gear to be able to complete WS?
It just driften a bit off topic due to the usual "vit is a waste" comment that always pops up whenever a posted calc puts in vit. I consider you need a minimum of hp at a certain lvl. If your gear doesn't reach that, I think vit isn't that bad. Sacreficing some magic attack to get above the 1-shot bar is a good thing imo.
With your gear you could do full ws I think. G15 soulsphere should be good enough to kill the mobs. I'd definately recommand to change the necklace for physical def, and upgrade the belt. Something like fcc, mold, TT90 or ideally cube/warsong/jungle (depends on your funds). Head can be kept at distance, but it will hit you as you're not experienced. Also, squads will be though to find unless you got friends taking you.
Like I suggested, during a bh metal, don't just afk for timer and go in metal or fire too see. Nobody will care then wether you manage or not. However, during full ws they will get pissed if it turns out you can't do it. It's the best way to check it out and see what it's like.
My personal plan in your situation would not be to focus on full ws. You only have the soulsphere to up to G16, and I doubt you really want that with your armor still being at TT90. If you don't need molds, ws isn't a good choice imo. I'd rather focus on NW, bh and TT. Also, try to do tigers. NW for the cannies and bh/tigers for chips+money. Work yourself too G15 armor with good ornaments. Then worry about G16. Another option would be r8r as it's fairly easy to get if you're at 200k+ rep and able to attend to NW. But be aware that r8r is pretty good, while being a dead end when aiming for the best.0 -
It just driften a bit off topic due to the usual "vit is a waste" comment that always pops up whenever a posted calc puts in vit. I consider you need a minimum of hp at a certain lvl. If your gear doesn't reach that, I think vit isn't that bad. Sacreficing some magic attack to get above the 1-shot bar is a good thing imo.
With your gear you could do full ws I think. G15 soulsphere should be good enough to kill the mobs. I'd definately recommand to change the necklace for physical def, and upgrade the belt. Something like fcc, mold, TT90 or ideally cube/warsong/jungle (depends on your funds). Head can be kept at distance, but it will hit you as you're not experienced. Also, squads will be though to find unless you got friends taking you.
Like I suggested, during a bh metal, don't just afk for timer and go in metal or fire too see. Nobody will care then wether you manage or not. However, during full ws they will get pissed if it turns out you can't do it. It's the best way to check it out and see what it's like.
My personal plan in your situation would not be to focus on full ws. You only have the soulsphere to up to G16, and I doubt you really want that with your armor still being at TT90. If you don't need molds, ws isn't a good choice imo. I'd rather focus on NW, bh and TT. Also, try to do tigers. NW for the cannies and bh/tigers for chips+money. Work yourself too G15 armor with good ornaments. Then worry about G16. Another option would be r8r as it's fairly easy to get if you're at 200k+ rep and able to attend to NW. But be aware that r8r is pretty good, while being a dead end when aiming for the best.
Yea on my funds I can't afford to throw in hundreds of dollars at once given time.
And I'm actually planning on going with friends/fac so I don't think they would get too mad if I failed. And as a lower lvl I had no plans to go to WS but when I hit 100 I got a bh and I started wondering if I was up to par to actually be able to do it.
Actually the weapon was made for my as a gift for reaching 100 as I was still on my 90 weap. But speaking on the subject of my gear. Where do you get tt99 gear since from what I saw you need it to get "G" gear later on.
Honestly R8R would probably be the best because unless I hit the lottery there is no way I'm getting R9 anything unless someone gives me something which is highly doubtful. Like I said I'm on a budget and I cringe when I hear people say they've spent as much as 5-8 grand on RL money on this game.
Cube belts on my server (arch) go for as much as 140+mil. So yea.. It'll take me a while to get that much.0 -
Yea on my funds I can't afford to throw in hundreds of dollars at once given time.
And I'm actually planning on going with friends/fac so I don't think they would get too mad if I failed. And as a lower lvl I had no plans to go to WS but when I hit 100 I got a bh and I started wondering if I was up to par to actually be able to do it.
Actually the weapon was made for my as a gift for reaching 100 as I was still on my 90 weap. But speaking on the subject of my gear. Where do you get tt99 gear since from what I saw you need it to get "G" gear later on.
Honestly R8R would probably be the best because unless I hit the lottery there is no way I'm getting R9 anything unless someone gives me something which is highly doubtful. Like I said I'm on a budget and I cringe when I hear people say they've spent as much as 5-8 grand on RL money on this game.
Cube belts on my server (arch) go for as much as 140+mil. So yea.. It'll take me a while to get that much.
Keep in mind ws has been revamped to recast to the top gear, G16 nirvana or r999. So it's a pretty though instance to do on tt90 (unless you are the exception in some op squad ofc). In terms of farming, I think it's not worth it in the sense that you're not really at the lvl yet where you should bother with those molds. If you just want to try it, go for it.
You make nirvana (G13 => G15 => G16) from either TT99 (TT90 gold for cape/hat) or gold lunar gear. TT99 is easier to get but will be bound upon equiping (meaning you need the crafting skill as well). The gold mats are hardest to get, but with chips from bh you can make them for decent prices (but watch ah/shops as well). After the TT99 stage, NW will easily get you the cannies to recast it till G15. Put some small refine on that and some flawless/immac shards, and you'll be good to farm ws (or save for whatever).
The reason I put r8r is because it's pretty good and rather easy to get now with NW. HOWEVER, it is bound to 1 toon only. Can't sell it later, can't use it on an alt. So if you ever decide on getting something else, it will be a waste. But it's still worth mentionning.0 -
Keep in mind ws has been revamped to recast to the top gear, G16 nirvana or r999. So it's a pretty though instance to do on tt90 (unless you are the exception in some op squad ofc). In terms of farming, I think it's not worth it in the sense that you're not really at the lvl yet where you should bother with those molds. If you just want to try it, go for it.
You make nirvana (G13 => G15 => G16) from either TT99 (TT90 gold for cape/hat) or gold lunar gear. TT99 is easier to get but will be bound upon equiping (meaning you need the crafting skill as well). The gold mats are hardest to get, but with chips from bh you can make them for decent prices (but watch ah/shops as well). After the TT99 stage, NW will easily get you the cannies to recast it till G15. Put some small refine on that and some flawless/immac shards, and you'll be good to farm ws (or save for whatever).
The reason I put r8r is because it's pretty good and rather easy to get now with NW. HOWEVER, it is bound to 1 toon only. Can't sell it later, can't use it on an alt. So if you ever decide on getting something else, it will be a waste. But it's still worth mentionning.
Ty for the information. But I do have a question. Where do you find tt99 gear? The forges stopped at 90.0 -
The forges don't stop at TT90.. look all the way to the right of TT90 in the gold gear section. TT99 is the stuff to the far right; Lionheart (HA), Ashura (LA), Archangels (AA).
Restating the vit to mag was a suggestion for endgame. I.E......once you have better gear with better refines. That was a comment that I made but it got lost in the ridiculous yet informative argument with Mr. PotatoHead. Sorry about that.
If you do FW.. like I said, do metal only. Follow the plan that I laid out in one of the first posts. after pavs are done and the group gets back together, I would suggest you go into WV at first to test your limits. See how hard you get hit and what kind of damage you are able to do and then try your luck in BV to see if you are a 1shot. Personally, I carry jones/o'mailey's and use the o'mailey's in black voodoo for the added def lvls.0 -
Zymari - Archosaur wrote: »The forges don't stop at TT90.. look all the way to the right of TT90 in the gold gear section. TT99 is the stuff to the far right; Lionheart (HA), Ashura (LA), Archangels (AA).
Restating the vit to mag was a suggestion for endgame. I.E......once you have better gear with better refines. That was a comment that I made but it got lost in the ridiculous yet informative argument with Mr. PotatoHead. Sorry about that.
If you do FW.. like I said, do metal only. Follow the plan that I laid out in one of the first posts. after pavs are done and the group gets back together, I would suggest you go into WV at first to test your limits. See how hard you get hit and what kind of damage you are able to do and then try your luck in BV to see if you are a 1shot. Personally, I carry jones/o'mailey's and use the o'mailey's in black voodoo for the added def lvls.
Thanks! I went to the forges and looked and low and behole there it was. But geez the mats are going to take some time to get. Just one cost 14mil. So it will take a while for me to get that. And that was just one mat for one piece .b:shocked
But I have a question. Do you think it would be cheaper to just refine my 90 gear to +5 or just work towards 99 gear?0 -
No. TT90 doesn't need anything more than +3 which you can easily do with mirages alone across all your gear for under 3 mill. You would put your money to better use on buying the gold mats. Get with faction mats to help you run TT 3-x to get the mats you need for each piece.
Do your daily lvl 100 BH's and with a little luck, you will get the ecstasy or excitement cards for 2-5mill. Save up the mystery chips you get for some of the gold mats. You can usually find the gold mats cheaper over World Chat but check the prices on pwdatabase to make sure you aren't over paying.
If you can, participate in NW every fri/sun so that you can sell raps/cannies for extra cash. You also won't have to go buy the cannies to turn your tt99 into g15. I had been in NW for 3 months before I got too lvl100 and got my tt99 so it all went straight to g15 and my extra supply tokens paid for my tt99 gear, my lunar 95 sphere and enough left over for a few skill upgrades along the way. Good luck!0 -
Zymari - Archosaur wrote: »No. TT90 doesn't need anything more than +3 which you can easily do with mirages alone across all your gear for under 3 mill. You would put your money to better use on buying the gold mats. Get with faction mats to help you run TT 3-x to get the mats you need for each piece.
Do your daily lvl 100 BH's and with a little luck, you will get the ecstasy or excitement cards for 2-5mill. Save up the mystery chips you get for some of the gold mats. You can usually find the gold mats cheaper over World Chat but check the prices on pwdatabase to make sure you aren't over paying.
If you can, participate in NW every fri/sun so that you can sell raps/cannies for extra cash. You also won't have to go buy the cannies to turn your tt99 into g15. I had been in NW for 3 months before I got too lvl100 and got my tt99 so it all went straight to g15 and my extra supply tokens paid for my tt99 gear, my lunar 95 sphere and enough left over for a few skill upgrades along the way. Good luck!
Thank you so much for the advice/information b:victory0
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