the Ancient Darjan Hatchling..

Untamed_pain - Archosaur · May 2013

Ok, i finally get the pet paid 2 mil to hatch it...and i finally lvl up the skills and all..yet to me the pet seems so useless. it dies so easy cuz it only has 3k hp...

I assume its gonna get better with the new stuff comes out but for now is it just me or is the pet like completely useless? and yes i have herc and nix just wanted to see what the hype was about. b:victory

Desdi - Sanctuary · May 2013

Right now, the Hatchling is the best land DD pet (high attack and attack rate) as you can't take your Phoenix (until the update) in instances.

However, it's most effective if you give it some legendary skills such as Claw to increase its attack power further and either Bless or Strong/Protect to make it less squishy.

It's my most used pet in instances (and often on lands) and it has Claw and Bless. It effectively replaced my old DD/debuff pet (which also had Claw) and performs much better in terms of damage output. However, if you already have invested a lot into a DD/debuff pet (Scorpion, Dark Wanderer) you might not want to invest into the hatchling, especially if your current DD pet has Claw already.

Too bad it comes with pretty crappy skills

they could have at least given him Pounce.

OO_Venus_Oo - Momaganon · May 2013

It has very good dmg on [?] lvl bosses i remember in non caster nirvana last boss with hf and amp it was hitting 20k dmg... just a pet... however almost every boss has aoe and pet is 1 hit most of the time

Oh and useful in pvp too especially on casters.

Untamed_pain - Archosaur · May 2013

I normally just use herc or nix...and i see lots of people use it but if aoe say in sot hits it. it dies lol

My pets at this time Herc, Nix, Hatchling, shadou cub, armored bear, kowlin, water pet,

and all 10 pet bags are used 2 mounts and a non battle pet lol.

Maybe i can add Claw...but blessing is like 15 mil...lol

Regenbogen - Lost City · May 2013

currently any pet dies on endgame bosses as easy as they die to good geared players b:bye

Desdi - Sanctuary · June 2013

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

currently any pet dies on endgame bosses as easy as they die to good geared players b:bye

Pretty much xD except the Hercules but it's a pretty bad pet to have for squad work (no debuffs and the DPS is meh, not bad but meh).

Untamed_pain - Archosaur · June 2013

Yeah true. I just wish the hatchling had more hp lol. Herc of course does its a tank.

Herc dies to...it does in sot to the mini boss the silver guy with the big head why is the name not coming to me queen bh boss in lunar etc

and for the comment from me above..15 mil is a bit much for a pet skill since i'm working on rrr9 weapon. since i'm not really a cs'er mostly all farmed.

Desdi - Sanctuary · June 2013

Untamed_pain - Archosaur wrote: »

Yeah true. I just wish the hatchling had more hp lol. Herc of course does its a tank.

Herc dies to...it does in sot to the mini boss the silver guy with the big head why is the name not coming to me queen bh boss in lunar etc

and for the comment from me above..15 mil is a bit much for a pet skill since i'm working on rrr9 weapon. since i'm not really a cs'er mostly all farmed.

Yeah that's understandable. I wasn't planning on getting R9 at the time so I invested in pets instead and I'm quite excited about the new pets so I think I'll put off R9 again b:chuckle I just enjoy pets too much I guess.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver · June 2013

Untamed_pain - Archosaur wrote: »

Herc dies to...it does in sot to the mini boss the silver guy with the big head why is the name not coming to me queen bh boss in lunar etc

Voidweaver, because of the AOE pdef debuff.

Untamed_pain - Archosaur · June 2013

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yeah that's understandable. I wasn't planning on getting R9 at the time so I invested in pets instead and I'm quite excited about the new pets so I think I'll put off R9 again b:chuckle I just enjoy pets too much I guess.

LOL, i just have the ring atm. But i don't plan to invest in the new pets til i figure if they are worth it or not. and R9 is more important to me cuz i love tw and nw. I'm afraid ill invest in a new pet and it won't be better then herc or nix...so. i'll wait

tweakz · June 2013

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Right now, the Hatchling is the best land DD pet (high attack and attack rate) as you can't take your Phoenix (until the update) in instances.

High attack equates to best land dd pet for you; it doesn't for me. I agree with the OP that there is very little use for this pet. I don't deny it's DD, but it's relatively useless when it can't survive. To it's favor: it's relatively quick (can apply Howl fast).

However, it's most effective if you give it some legendary skills such as Claw to increase its attack power further and either Bless or Strong/Protect to make it less squishy.

The dd of veno pets isn't significant with today's equips. Howl is more valuable and could come on a decent free non rare pet that comes with Lvl 5 Howl (Lunar Lupin).

It's my most used pet in instances (and often on lands) and it has Claw and Bless.

I find Herc more useful as it gives me a comfortable amount of time to sage Soul Degeneration + Amp that Derjan's can't.

It effectively replaced my old DD/debuff pet (which also had Claw) and performs much better in terms of damage output. However, if you already have invested a lot into a DD/debuff pet (Scorpion, Dark Wanderer) you might not want to invest into the hatchling, especially if your current DD pet has Claw already.

The hatchling is faster than the Scorpion. It's DD is superior to the DW for dd. It makes those pets obsolete. It can't however replace a herc especially in instances. Herc is still most useful in instances.

Desdi - Sanctuary · June 2013

tweakz wrote: »

The dd of veno pets isn't significant with today's equips. Howl is more valuable and could come on a decent free non rare pet that comes with Lvl 5 Howl (Lunar Lupin).
If people can afford to get legendary pet skills for the Hatchling, good for them. If they can't, there are many other options available.
Also, nothing stops you from equipping the Hatchling with Howl, Pierce, Claw and Bless, for example. It has both decent DD and debuffs and better surviviability than without Bless.

I never said this is a poor player-friendly combination, but that shouldn't stop me for mentioning it anyway.

I find Herc more useful as it gives me a comfortable amount of time to sage Soul Degeneration + Amp that Derjan's can't.
The hatchling is faster than the Scorpion. It's DD is superior to the DW for dd. It makes those pets obsolete. It can't however replace a herc especially in instances. Herc is still most useful in instances.

That solely depends on what you're doing.

If you still solo a lot of things or run instances with people not capable of tanking then yes, the Hercules is irreplaceable.
However, if your squad is already more than capable of tanking (especially in the case that you have such good gear that you tank better yourself than your pet) then you're better off using a different pet to debuff and DD.

Mehh.

X_volcano_y - Harshlands · June 2013

The dino is my fav pet bec mine got strong,claw,howl,ream so it survive good vs physical atks which is the most dmg.
Yet its not the best pet for support debuffs i prefer kowlin cuz it has a faster movement so i set on auto atk and start atking.(it usually do the debuff before i am done)
tweaks i couldnt understand what u said about casting howl fast all pet skills have same cast time no matter of pet.
Note i got a herc which i actually use it to lure or tank tt but in places like gv,lunar,doing ws pav i use dino.

Untamed_pain - Archosaur · June 2013

Yeah idk maybe i need to switch up the pet skills. i only use kowlin for luring that's it. they are so squishy lol.

tweakz · June 2013

My hatchling has claw, bless, bash, and howl. I still maintain it's relative uselessness. Soloing on a Veno using a pet as tank is a waste of time. There's much more profit in being an Amp for squads.

Anyone that thinks Derjan's is more useful; I'd like to hear where it is. All I can think of is Vile Snakefist.

Desdi - Sanctuary · June 2013

Anyone that thinks Derjan's is more useful; I'd like to hear where it is. All I can think of is Vile Snakefist.

tweakz wrote: »

The hatchling is faster than the Scorpion. It's DD is superior to the DW for dd. It makes those pets obsolete.

tweakz wrote: »

I find Herc more useful as it gives me a comfortable amount of time to sage Soul Degeneration + Amp that Derjan's can't.
It can't however replace a herc especially in instances. Herc is still most useful in instances.

tweakz wrote: »

Soloing on a Veno using a pet as tank is a waste of time. There's much more profit in being an Amp for squads.

Aren't you just contradicting yourself lol?

You said yourself that the Hatchling has better DD/Attack Rate than the previous big DD pets we considered up until now. Isn't that enough of a reason for some Venomancers to consider it? I said some, not all, every person is entitled to the pets they consider useful.

You said Hercules is still most useful in instances and then you say pet tanking is a waste.

The Hatchling is squishy? No pet can survive well our current endgame instances unless it's equipped with some buff skills (Bless/Strong/Protect).
The pet's base stats alone won't let it survive.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · June 2013

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Aren't you just contradicting yourself lol?
...

No pet can survive well our current endgame instances unless it's equipped with some buff skills (Bless/Strong/Protect).
The pet's base stats alone won't let it survive.

I think this is his point. In a squad situation (not solo) its a waste of time to have to babysit a pet. Spending time tossing a pet heals when the pet is doing almost zero damage comparatively to the rest of the squad is pointless. Much better to focus on SDing, Amping, Myriads, Ironwood, and then building chi with damage of your own. Pets become just a distraction at endgame, honestly (in squads, with the rare exception).

Azura - Lost City · June 2013

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think this is his point. In a squad situation (not solo) its a waste of time to have to babysit a pet. Spending time tossing a pet heals when the pet is doing almost zero damage comparatively to the rest of the squad is pointless. Much better to focus on SDing, Amping, Myriads, Ironwood, and then building chi with damage of your own. Pets become just a distraction at endgame, honestly (in squads, with the rare exception).

This is entirely and sadly true. I hope with the upcoming expansion pets will become tanky enough so they just need a heal once in a while if they are not tanking.

Desdi - Sanctuary · June 2013

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think this is his point. In a squad situation (not solo) its a waste of time to have to babysit a pet. Spending time tossing a pet heals when the pet is doing almost zero damage comparatively to the rest of the squad is pointless. Much better to focus on SDing, Amping, Myriads, Ironwood, and then building chi with damage of your own. Pets become just a distraction at endgame, honestly (in squads, with the rare exception).

I already said that to make the Hatchling effective you need some legendary pet skills for it.

However, it's most effective if you give it some legendary skills such as Claw to increase its attack power further and either Bless or Strong/Protect to make it less squishy.

Of course, this is not for everyone. Some people simply can't afford doing something like this which why I also said that if you already have invested into a DD pet you may not want to invest into the Hatchling.

Tweakz says the Hatchling dies too fast, I don't deny that it's true but then also mentions alternative debuff pets..but those die just as fast. In the end the pet will just debuff and eventually die.

Then it comes down to using the Hercules because it survives more (because it already has pet buffs) but its DD is even lesser than that of the Hatchling (or Scorpion, Dark Wanderer) and has no room for debuffs either..and even then, the Hercules can die from endgame bosses...so I'd just rather summon my DD/debuff pet and work with it until it dies.

thumbs · June 2013

Someone just likes to argue in circles. Even with a legendary skill; it's still too much babysitting. I provided Vile Snakefist as an example of where it might be worth summoning. I don't see any examples being given from those promoting this fairly useless pet. That 2 minute boss in TT maybe, but who bothers with that anymore?

Desdi - Sanctuary · June 2013

Oh, now I'm the one going in circles. I never said anything about babysitting a pet, guess you didn't read what I wrote.
Anyway, I'll just drop it there.

the Ancient Darjan Hatchling..

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