Since obviously Stupitdity and Greed has taken over this game let's..
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bit cynical aint thatJoshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »you call it helpful I call it pretensious
Its a lot easier to deal with people who just want a profit.
As a small example tt opening
"do gooder" "no wait let me give you 50k back!" spend a minute of my time letting them trade me or like 10 listening to QQ
"greedy person" drop>pick up>kick
Same with "do gooders" free wining instances
They also tend to flat out ragequit very easily unless you coddle them in runs, and are just generaly unhelpful when you actually want them to be but will call in favors 5 or 6 times over.
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SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »Where have you been?
This started when the packs came out and hasn't changed yet.
Learn to adapt or GTFO.
2x ^v^ b:chuckleb:laughb:chuckle ^v^ x2
Seriously, when someone pays the full (3mill) they know what sorta squad they may always end up drawing or not drawing for the run (for starting a squad where 1 is the sole important drop inheritor) and those people who join those squads also know what the run means for them....
Why even bring it up, because of a few whiney QQ'rs that crop up, who don't truely get the meaning of such squads (No matter how annoying they can tend to be when they do show)????
Sylen was correct on saying to adapt, so please find your way past it already, Please ~_~ Because its been ancient news on the stupid statis of those squad run possibilities for awhile now & its a situation we all know all to well about already and face practically everyday when it comes to those types of runs....b:chuckle0 -
No one would be insane enough to spend 3 mil on an instance run only to come out of there with nothing (even for some factions/friends). Free? They are advertising to help get mats for them, simple as that. Greed comes from the people thinking they will get the mats/coins for free/easy, not the one that said it would be a free run.
I would do the same but I would say that I'm paying full for the run but the mats are mine, like how people did with BH (meaning my wines = my drops). I payed for TT golds to squad split with a discount, pretty much would do the same if everyone paid the lunar fee, I buy the EOD with a discount. Some other players did the same. That 2nd generation of PWI and before that (too bad G16 mats didn't exist then) was more fair.
My answer to this thread OP, is to QQ less, stop being a hypocrit and stop being a freebie.Sage barb in progress.0 -
to be fair ive seen one person i know that has +12 gear but being a seeker probably cant solo lunar so does free lunar my eod which isn to so bad since he till probably do most of the work mob wize.
What i QQ about is when u see about 6 different people all doing it and there not the tank and are basically useless.I even said to a m8 "lets log are alts pay the fee and get free squads and just put our toon on follow and do nothing but get the eods"
Since if we pay 3m we get the 2 eods alls good right?
The other reason i QQ is because i cant think why so many people have bh lunar i mean its not often that one comes up so how can there still be people needing bh lunar?
If people are going on them to HOPE for a random gold mat they need there head looking at but since you cant stop people being stupid you just have to use the situation and scam the f.c k out he noobs they must like it0 -
Chuck_smith - Sanctuary wrote: »No one would be insane enough to spend 3 mil on an instance run only to come out of there with nothing (even for some factions/friends). Free? They are advertising to help get mats for them, simple as that. Greed comes from the people thinking they will get the mats/coins for free/easy, not the one that said it would be a free run.
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If you don't like the terms of a "free" run, don't go. Sure, the people organizing these runs make out, but they are the one's fronting the expense and taking the time to set up the run.
It's not like the people participating aren't getting anything out of the experience. In exchange for no hassle and no coins up front, they get a BH done and some badges. A lunar run takes 1/2 the time for 1/2 the badges of a full WS. Once you have the molds you need, "free" lunar is just as good as running WS for farming badges.0 -
Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »A lunar run takes 1/2 the time for 1/2 the badges of a full WS. Once you have the molds you need, "free" lunar is just as good as running WS for farming badges.
If you get a good squad of 4~6 people, it takes about 15~20 minutes a run to get 3 badges. When my friends and i do it as a trio, we spark kill all mobs rather than pulling, that way takes us 20~25 minutes a run. We do the chromatic tinder route though, the middle valley is short.0 -
Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »If you get a good squad of 4~6 people, it takes about 15~20 minutes a run to get 3 badges. When my friends and i do it as a trio, we spark kill all mobs rather than pulling, that way takes us 20~25 minutes a run. We do the chromatic tinder route though, the middle valley is short.
I was speaking in generalities. Time invested per badge is roughly equal between WS and Lunar.
When I was farming badges I would often hop on EoD runs that friends and fac mates were running when they got to the BH boss. Some people would come for the BH, others the badge, those would usually stick around to help clear the 3rd stage for another badge. I had no issue helping out on a few mobs and bosses in exchange for a quick and easy couple of badges. I wouldn't do a "free" run from the start, but I can see why some people would be willing to.0 -
Looking for openers for nirvana 10 k you must be willing to buff.
Greed is never going away , but if PWI wanted it to be fair Lunar should'nt cost more than warsomg .. 2 mirage per player ..0 -
b:sweat make good frnds that helps...0
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DATALEC - Dreamweaver wrote: »Ok sorry for the old topic but since its been awhile and im still seeing people wc "Free lunar my eod,random drops need tank and cleric"
This gets on my moobs since its x2 and there only paying 3m to get 8m+ from the eods and not even tanking to make it worse.
Now i know people in general are thick as **** and go on the run to get bh done or maybe a random chance of a gold mat but since bh is a random reward and most of the time you get mirages or chips the time spend giving a noob 8+m you could go earn some coin yourself.
I solo the thing on x2 since its worth it but to see people that dont have the skill or gear to do that use people make me think to myself"omg people are so stupid"
Why because the person paying needs all of the squad to get the eod's which he is paying 1.5m each for (3m fee) the squad gets bh done WOOOT and a slim chance on a gold mat.People should learn to either do bh lunar with faction Or trash it and stop making lazy *** people rich.
The only reason people can do this in lunar is the fee you cant wc "free tt3-3 my subs my gold mats green random" "free warsong my mirages my eoo random molds"
People know theres a fee of 3m so all they see is cool i dont have to pay my share 500k when they should be thinking "ok eods are 4m each so thats 500k fee per person but sell and split eods we each get back 1.33m" That way everyone makes 800k profit and still random gold mats.
I once joined a lunar squad with 500k fee, told them at end to sell the eods and split the coins, this way every1 makes profit and gets coin back, They all Refuzed...soo u do that if u think this greedys will accept it, and at end i end up loseing 500k and also get chips from bh...gotta luv it eh?
For u ppls that say's Opener Pay 3mill Fee and gets 1 Eod and 1 Eod Random well think this way, I pay 3mill and get 1 Eod so thats '1'mill max profit? but 1 of u 5ppsl gets the chance to get '4'mill back without paying so 1 of u makes more profit then me who i open for u all .... get it?
Now1 forces u to join free squads U dont Like it dont join or form u're own 500k fee run or u pay the 3mill fee and random 1 eod no1 says u to not do it so stop QQin and let others do theyr thing.0 -
ZooozOOo - Archosaur wrote: »b:sweat make good frnds that helps...
Yuo there's allways this option, i now when i need Duo it with a friend we bouth pay half the fee and get 1 eod or do 2 runs and 1 pay 1 and gets his eods 1 other run and is mostly faster then usually with squad.0 -
ZooozOOo - Archosaur wrote: »b:sweat make good frnds that helps...
Gotta find those first. Or in my case, they gotta find me.0 -
as many stated above....if you are interested join the squad...if not, don't join, no one is forcing you...end of story.
what i don't like is something like this:
ppl from fl or faction (the rest i just ignore):
hey wanna do lunar? if you say yes 90% of the cases end up with .....btw it's free...but not before they hear the answer f:shh
if you ask how's the share or refuse them....then they get all mushy and do the mumbo jumbo angry face with the "c'mon it's free" or "ok....have a crappy squad though..but if you don't want to help"....or hey u wanna do lunar? ok i get it "hits offline button raging"
that would be ok....barelly...all kinds of mentalities....but what annoys me is that after 1 or 2 days the same persons ask again...like they didn't get the message "i don't do free lunar....i have all the badges that i need....bh i do with my group....i don't care about your business"0 -
Idk... I noticed bigger success in getting squad when forming free one.
Let's say it's a 6 person squad.
pay 0 -> get 0
pay 500k -> 16,6% of getting ~4m (and 83,4% of getting nothing)
You get BH and badges in any case. Many people don't need EoDs, just want BH done. When I didn't need EoDs and mats, I always joined free ones.
Now I form free ones, and sure I get people complaining... But everyone is free to form, and people don't have to join. But guess what? They do. Because they do benefit out of it.
Now at 2x, I take all the mats (because I need them) and re-squad at the end, making one EoD random. I could drop money instead sure, but I'm kind of poor atm. Is it fair? No. I pay 3m and get 1 EoD+mats, while the rest of the squad pays nothing and each has 16.6% of getting an EoD for free.
I never encountered a squad which pays fee and divides all the drops and EoD profit, but I guess that works too, and it's the only pure "fair" option, if nobody needs mats and there are catshops which buy EoD for 4m. And divide the tele fee?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I've now gone full-up cynic on random squads. I won't join one that requires me to trust a stranger.
The last straw was doing a full Warsong as the only archer in the squad. I've had the worst luck getting Firmament molds to drop. Finally one drops and the idiot sin jumps on it, for his level 92 alt archer. When I yelled at him he said, "You didn't say you wanted the Firmament drops."
Unless he pleveled all the way up and had no freakin' clue about protocol and decency, I have to conclude that he's just a random ****** who plays with no ethics. Either way, I've seen too many of his brand of lowlife. Guild-mates and friends from now on, if there's any trust component to the run.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
+1GlenRoss - Archosaur wrote: »I've now gone full-up cynic on random squads. I won't join one that requires me to trust a stranger.
The last straw was doing a full Warsong as the only archer in the squad. I've had the worst luck getting Firmament molds to drop. Finally one drops and the idiot sin jumps on it, for his level 92 alt archer. When I yelled at him he said, "You didn't say you wanted the Firmament drops."
Unless he pleveled all the way up and had no freakin' clue about protocol and decency, I have to conclude that he's just a random ****** who plays with no ethics. Either way, I've seen too many of his brand of lowlife. Guild-mates and friends from now on, if there's any trust component to the run.
The only time I'll do a squad with random members is when I'm just bored and don't feel like soloing the instance. I'll do it when I know I can solo the instance and don't have to rely on the squad. I'll first poll factions and friends for a bit to see if they want to come, and then I'll use a couple of teles to fill in the blanks. I don't set requirements unless I think the squad is really going to need a healer. Then i'll ask for a Cleric or Mystic, one isn't preferred over the other, it's mainly for the others in the squad, not me.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I love this thread... makes me quite happy I went warsoul and r8r b:cute
I never had to nor will I need to deal with any of these issues b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »+1...
b:chuckle I just go to vos and beat on the mobs there or kill goothe and hope the books drop from them. I don't even try to go with randoms and some people in faction anymore. Too much hassle for what it is worth.
I only join random aba runs, that is mostly aps business. Lunar i farm with friends only. You think they are greedy b:cute.
I do lunar runs, all mats green, tinders to me. All gold mats to me. All EoD to me. I pay 3m. I ish not greedy b:dirty.0 -
I have yet in my days of doing lunar have had a free lunar as a barb due to buying apoth and medium repairs though the apoth cost more than the repairs.And if I get into a party with crappy dd's.....This game is like washing hair with shampoo... Rinse and repeat if desired.
Proud owner of many mains.101 bm,101 seeker,101 demon sin,100 sage sin,101 archer,101 barb,100 cleric,100 wiz( first toon since sept 08 finally made it in 2013)newly added mystic 100 HA,72 psy.0 -
honestly its not the greedy ppl thats ruining the game. its the fact that no one playes it anymore cuz all ppl do is "im a new char ima find out the quickest way to lvl instead of learning the game, oh kool fc ima go fc to lvl 100 from lvl 1-20..." its rediculous. the greed has always been there n so has nice ppl, ive been playing this game for 4-5 years on and off. i know that greed has always been there. but theres the same ammout of nice ppl who do things for no profit at all. so the only thing killing the game is ppl getting irritated by the new ways of someone juss starting the game and running to fc juss to quick lvl and learn absolutly nothing, then they constantly asking questions of how to do this n whts the best skill to get n best gear for lvl. when they would know that if they actually u know Played the Game....0
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d3monnatsum3 wrote: »honestly its not the greedy ppl thats ruining the game. its the fact that no one playes it anymore cuz all ppl do is "im a new char ima find out the quickest way to lvl instead of learning the game, oh kool fc ima go fc to lvl 100 from lvl 1-20..." its rediculous. the greed has always been there n so has nice ppl, ive been playing this game for 4-5 years on and off. i know that greed has always been there. but theres the same ammout of nice ppl who do things for no profit at all. so the only thing killing the game is ppl getting irritated by the new ways of someone juss starting the game and running to fc juss to quick lvl and learn absolutly nothing, then they constantly asking questions of how to do this n whts the best skill to get n best gear for lvl. when they would know that if they actually u know Played the Game....
someone powerleveled schoolyou only purge once #yopo0 -
And these things that have ruined the game is why I will NEVER come back and play EVER again. The ONLY way I'll ever come back is if I strike it rich, then I'll come back and buy ALL the best stuff and be a psychic and then kick every other snoby *******s butt until I get my jollys and I'd do it everyday just to **** players off just like they do others. Other than that.......FVCK this game0
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dancingmoogle wrote: »Since no one wants to pay 500k to help open Lunar Squad Mode but instead QQ about not getting EoDs or their picks on molds when someone else opts to pay the full 3mil by themselves to open it.
Let's all start charging a fee to help them I mean they might need a tank, a healer, you know how we love us some DHF and Sage amp don't forget the sins and DDs..
Why not it's not like they could solo it and they game isn't screwed up enough as it is.
But heck Why stop there lets make squad fees for every bh100 after all we got buy us the latest fashions and some more packs.
I know barbs are gonna jump on this one like me me me me me settle down kitten a seeker who knows how to play could/can replace your furry hide.
Sorry I just find it hilarious how you people have managed to turn a fun game into something so god dam resentful no wonder I log less and less with each week.
Its just how things worked out. Don't like it? take a hike. Honestly.. its not like they are making that much money off of it. Most of the people who pay for the instance need the EoD because they are trying to recast their rr9s into rrr9. And even if they arent, I dont see you going out there forking over 3m. Over here in arch this is how it works. One person pays for the instance. They get the Eod(s) at the end. The rest get whatever the hell they want and free badges. I dont know about you.. but to me free badges = $$$$$$$$ since I sell badges for roughly about 600k a unit via g16 armor service. There is no room for complaint. There are going to be a lot of things that you are not going to agree with in game. But one persons opinion is not going to stand out against everyone elses. Because there will always be squads such as free lunars. Different servers do things differently. Arch is pro for moneymaking and pve. Learn the system and QQ some more. its fairly entertaining.0 -
emereldsix wrote: »Its just how things worked out. Don't like it? take a hike. Honestly.. its not like they are making that much money off of it. Most of the people who pay for the instance need the EoD because they are trying to recast their rr9s into rrr9. And even if they arent, I dont see you going out there forking over 3m. Over here in arch this is how it works. One person pays for the instance. They get the Eod(s) at the end. The rest get whatever the hell they want and free badges. I dont know about you.. but to me free badges = $$$$$$$$ since I sell badges for roughly about 600k a unit via g16 armor service. There is no room for complaint. There are going to be a lot of things that you are not going to agree with in game. But one persons opinion is not going to stand out against everyone elses. Because there will always be squads such as free lunars. Different servers do things differently. Arch is pro for moneymaking and pve. Learn the system and QQ some more. its fairly entertaining.
This. This whole thing. If you're not willing to pay 3mil to open Lunar, stop QQing and shut up. End of story.0 -
emereldsix wrote: »Arch is full of idiots with no common sense regarding money
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hint: opener gets badges tooThrieya - Lost City wrote: »This. This whole thing. If you're not willing to pay 3mil to open Lunar, stop QQing and shut up. End of story.
if you are not willing to open a slave plantation stop QQing and shut up.you only purge once #yopo0 -
During 2x drops I saw people doing the Free lunar, their fee, and I thought people wouldn't fall for this, so I sarcastically world chatted, "Free Lunar, my Fee both EoD mine" And I filled squads up in under 3 minute times...
Every single squad I took with me let me take the EoDs...
I was able to sell each EoD from 3.5M to 4M each.[SIGPIC]http://a.imageshack.us/img714/9433/testoz.jpg[/SIGPIC]
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divinenyte wrote: »The ONLY way I'll ever come back is if I strike it rich, then I'll come back and buy ALL the best stuff and be a psychic and then kick every other snoby *******s butt until I get my jollys and I'd do it everyday just to **** players off just like they do others.
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emereldsix wrote: »Its just how things worked out. Don't like it? take a hike. Honestly.. its not like they are making that much money off of it. Most of the people who pay for the instance need the EoD because they are trying to recast their rr9s into rrr9. And even if they arent, I dont see you going out there forking over 3m. Over here in arch this is how it works. One person pays for the instance. They get the Eod(s) at the end. The rest get whatever the hell they want and free badges. I dont know about you.. but to me free badges = $$$$$$$$ since I sell badges for roughly about 600k a unit via g16 armor service. There is no room for complaint. There are going to be a lot of things that you are not going to agree with in game. But one persons opinion is not going to stand out against everyone elses. Because there will always be squads such as free lunars. Different servers do things differently. Arch is pro for moneymaking and pve. Learn the system and QQ some more. its fairly entertaining.
smh after making this thread I have stopped playing I refuse to give into a broken economy and selfish player base I'm not a fan of believing things will get better cause it's human nature to **** things up more the longer they are allowed too so you guys enjoy it as long as you can. After years of playing you tend to think this is the ONLY good game out there but it isn't. There are quite a few that actually put the effort into making sure the **** i've experience here doesn't happen so enjoy opening your Lunars and spending an hour to get a barb or cleric.0 -
PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »if you are not willing to open a slave plantation stop QQing and shut up.
Actually, I totally am. My bedsheets are made of unicorn pelts; life's awesome. b:cute0
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