Since obviously Stupitdity and Greed has taken over this game let's..
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Ok sorry for the old topic but since its been awhile and im still seeing people wc "Free lunar my eod,random drops need tank and cleric"
This gets on my moobs since its x2 and there only paying 3m to get 8m+ from the eods and not even tanking to make it worse.
Now i know people in general are thick as **** and go on the run to get bh done or maybe a random chance of a gold mat but since bh is a random reward and most of the time you get mirages or chips the time spend giving a noob 8+m you could go earn some coin yourself.
I solo the thing on x2 since its worth it but to see people that dont have the skill or gear to do that use people make me think to myself"omg people are so stupid"
Why because the person paying needs all of the squad to get the eod's which he is paying 1.5m each for (3m fee) the squad gets bh done WOOOT and a slim chance on a gold mat.People should learn to either do bh lunar with faction Or trash it and stop making lazy *** people rich.
The only reason people can do this in lunar is the fee you cant wc "free tt3-3 my subs my gold mats green random" "free warsong my mirages my eoo random molds"
People know theres a fee of 3m so all they see is cool i dont have to pay my share 500k when they should be thinking "ok eods are 4m each so thats 500k fee per person but sell and split eods we each get back 1.33m" That way everyone makes 800k profit and still random gold mats.0 -
DATALEC - Dreamweaver wrote: »Ok sorry for the old topic but since its been awhile and im still seeing people wc "Free lunar my eod,random drops need tank and cleric"
This gets on my moobs since its x2 and there only paying 3m to get 8m+ from the eods and not even tanking to make it worse.
Now i know people in general are thick as **** and go on the run to get bh done or maybe a random chance of a gold mat but since bh is a random reward and most of the time you get mirages or chips the time spend giving a noob 8+m you could go earn some coin yourself.
I solo the thing on x2 since its worth it but to see people that dont have the skill or gear to do that use people make me think to myself"omg people are so stupid"
Why because the person paying needs all of the squad to get the eod's which he is paying 1.5m each for (3m fee) the squad gets bh done WOOOT and a slim chance on a gold mat.People should learn to either do bh lunar with faction Or trash it and stop making lazy *** people rich.
The only reason people can do this in lunar is the fee you cant wc "free tt3-3 my subs my gold mats green random" "free warsong my mirages my eoo random molds"
People know theres a fee of 3m so all they see is cool i dont have to pay my share 500k when they should be thinking "ok eods are 4m each so thats 500k fee per person but sell and split eods we each get back 1.33m" That way everyone makes 800k profit and still random gold mats.
you really lose all faith in humanity when you see these "free" lunars during 2x... especially when you try to form a sell/split squad at the same time and the "free" one is filled firstb:shockedyou only purge once #yopo0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »I run free lunars, how is making money of peoples lazyness and stupidity worse than normal merchanting?
it's not really. the main point is that you are charging 1m = ~30% for a couple of teles and most merchants make ~3% for maintaining a shop 24/7, which is a more valuable contribution to the community.you only purge once #yopo0 -
RyuTiger - Raging Tide wrote: »From my point of view when someone pay 3mil fee for Lunar they should get 1 EOD and other EOD should be random, cuz you pay 3 mil and you get 3 mil back because other people help you fight and do same work as you are, I dont think is fair for opener to take 2 EOD's and if they dont like it, do Lunar yourself! I just say what is fair, i really dont care cuz i never do lunar anyway but for others in squad they put same amount of effort in that Lunar and why should opener get 1 EOD extra?
The opener gets the extra EoD because the price of EoDs goes down during 2x. I see people buying and selling EoDs at 1.8mil or so during 2x. And as for your implication that the opener is somehow less important to the squad than everyone else, perhaps you should remember that if the opener wasn't there, the squad wouldn't get started at all. On Lost City, most of the players I see offering free Lunars tend to be of important classes, such as barbs, BMs, clerics, and so on.0 -
Thrieya - Lost City wrote: »The opener gets the extra EoD because the price of EoDs goes down during 2x. I see people buying and selling EoDs at 1.8mil or so during 2x.
Depends on server, on DW the prices are different (at least they were yesterday no idea if they still are up at 3-4m)
And as for your implication that the opener is somehow less important to the squad than everyone else, perhaps you should remember that if the opener wasn't there, the squad wouldn't get started at all. On Lost City, most of the players I see offering free Lunars tend to be of important classes, such as barbs, BMs, clerics, and so on.
You should also remember if the opener doesn't get a squad, it wouldn't get started at all either. Also; important classes? wut?
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I didn't know we had classes that were more important than another nowadays b:shocked
What bugs me the most is people who form these runs and want both EoD's, while prices are still 3-4m, but barely contribute a single thing to the squad itself apart from paying the 3m opening fee. They simply don't deserve to get both EoD's.0 -
Thrieya - Lost City wrote: »The opener gets the extra EoD because the price of EoDs goes down during 2x. I see people buying and selling EoDs at 1.8mil or so during 2x. And as for your implication that the opener is somehow less important to the squad than everyone else, perhaps you should remember that if the opener wasn't there, the squad wouldn't get started at all. On Lost City, most of the players I see offering free Lunars tend to be of important classes, such as barbs, BMs, clerics, and so on.
Bull ****, maybe on lost city you trade EoDs for 1.8m but I doubt that's the case on any other server, and also, you're just playing naive, you know very well that you are not forced to sell it right away and can wait a week and sell off x2 and still make 6m of 2 EoDs at worst.
Important classes? LOL what exactly is an important class?
These days most classes can do pretty much anything, I can do valleys in 2 pulls on my wizard, and so can bunch of others, I can even solo it if I wanted to, did few times when squad did not wanna bother with last boss but I prefer to play with friends or else I'd go nad play some single player game.
As for rest of the complains on greed etc - you Always have a Choice when it comes to anything!
Charging tanking services blah blah? I mean sure, I remember soloing Caster Vana period I'd pay random barbs 50k for buffs sometimes, why not, they offered i accepted, but no body forces you to pay a barb or w/e you can just keep looking. I would myself never charge anyone for buffs
Only instance i used to charge is tm 69 and believe it or not, me and empu/rainy and few other Damphyrs were the first on Sanctuary to actually run it on a daily basis and sell it, and you know what the price was for ones that don't remember? 50k for me and 50k for help dd per gold medal, was hardly enough to cover repairs sometimes and pots/apo. These days people sell for 1m per gold when its also WAY easier to do it than when I was doing it with tt99 gear. We did it for the thrill and challenge of doing an instance which was super hard at that point, easy to now, can solo it with my eyes closed.
The point is, you can't calculate prices of stuff/instances like that because its the work that people put price on, you tell me EoD is 3m because instance is 3m and I tell you EoD is 4~5 m because EoD is 3m and 1~2m is my and my squad's time and effort to finish and instance to get it. You don't like it? Cool, i don't care go do it yourself and get it for 3m.Viking Pride b:cute
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DATALEC - Dreamweaver wrote: »Ok sorry for the old topic but since its been awhile and im still seeing people wc "Free lunar my eod,random drops need tank and cleric"
This gets on my moobs since its x2 and there only paying 3m to get 8m+ from the eods and not even tanking to make it worse.
Now i know people in general are thick as **** and go on the run to get bh done or maybe a random chance of a gold mat but since bh is a random reward and most of the time you get mirages or chips the time spend giving a noob 8+m you could go earn some coin yourself.
I solo the thing on x2 since its worth it but to see people that dont have the skill or gear to do that use people make me think to myself"omg people are so stupid"
Why because the person paying needs all of the squad to get the eod's which he is paying 1.5m each for (3m fee) the squad gets bh done WOOOT and a slim chance on a gold mat.People should learn to either do bh lunar with faction Or trash it and stop making lazy *** people rich.
The only reason people can do this in lunar is the fee you cant wc "free tt3-3 my subs my gold mats green random" "free warsong my mirages my eoo random molds"
People know theres a fee of 3m so all they see is cool i dont have to pay my share 500k when they should be thinking "ok eods are 4m each so thats 500k fee per person but sell and split eods we each get back 1.33m" That way everyone makes 800k profit and still random gold mats.
You are so right, people are so stupid and go to lunar and bring those smart people 1 Eod free. I prefer 500k fee myself.0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »Barbs/clerics/veno's in 08 game has been like this almost from the start. Seriously go look at old tt/delta threads of you dont believe me
This is very true, I remember farming TTs 3-4 years ago, it would go like this, Barb would be first pic on the drops, cleric second, veno if not soloing their own TTs would either be a first or 2nd pic, 3rd at worst, after that rest of us would get to share rest of the drops which usually would be **** as no barb/cleric would take drops they actually need but the most expensive ones and rest would get to share klunky swords and other worthless junk.
Actually, funny, I do believe game even got better with certain class blackmailing since now all classes can do pretty much whatever they want and thats why they complain about r9/g16, cause now 5aps sins can't get enormously rich over rest, and barbs and clerics can't blackmail squads into paying them anymore.Viking Pride b:cute
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Thrieya - Lost City wrote: »The opener gets the extra EoD because the price of EoDs goes down during 2x. I see people buying and selling EoDs at 1.8mil or so during 2x. And as for your implication that the opener is somehow less important to the squad than everyone else, perhaps you should remember that if the opener wasn't there, the squad wouldn't get started at all. On Lost City, most of the players I see offering free Lunars tend to be of important classes, such as barbs, BMs, clerics, and so on.
it's quite simple actually. would you accept someone else paying the fee and your tele costs in your free lunar squad and getting the eod(s)? if no, you think, even subconsiously, that your terms are unfair.you only purge once #yopo0 -
Important classes being the ones that everyone wants in Lunar. You wouldn't do Lunar without a cleric, would you? If you're not one, anyway. Or a sin, or a BM, or a barb. And if you really say you would, I'd have to say all the people I've seen ragequit a squad thanks to the lack of a <insert class here> would disagree. Greatly.
Would I mind someone paying the fee and getting both EoDs while I get my BH done for my teles/repair/pots bills? No, I wouldn't mind.
But of course, you're not taking that situation into consideration, are you? You're talking about a completely random squad who joins up with a complete stranger and does his full Lunar(complete with badges, BTW) and lets him have the EoD while they walk away with badges and whatever purple mats they have, which are practically next to nothing in value so you write them off anyway.
In short, you're talking about the squad in this hypothetical situation being shortchanged. And you're telling me that there are people who join free runs, spend an hour or so going through the whole thing, watch the opener take both EoDs, and then they feel cheated? In that case, I'd say it's your own damn fault too. You had a choice in whether or not you joined that squad, and you'd have known from the start that the opener would get both EoDs.0 -
Well good luck to you because like my signature says - I am a Demon Veno. And for various reason why I chose to go demon over sage is possibly because Sage Amp is the only thing people want and as a humble player, I cannot afford such coin to acquire these skills otherwise I would have. Sure farm farm and more farming outta help with it but if you need Sage Veno make it yourself so you dont have to worry about choosing. As a Demon Veno (and a month old lvl 100) I've done fine in these new instances to where I have an idea of it, be it small or otherwise.
When someone pays the fee and requests the EoD they WILL get it from me if the drop went to me because why would I go to an instance someone paid and take what they wanted out of it? I'm not a thief. If anything I'd help bring a squad together which is the least I can possibly do for this person if they squad isn't full because bit by bit I'm still learning. Now, its different if the person says its ok to get the mold and someone in group is just standing around and it goes to them, you obviously cant argue on it even though you'd like to. I don't mind paying the fee at all when it comes down to it and I don't mind getting my BH Done/Rewards either when it comes to Lunar. My only concern is crossing someone who demands a Sage Veno.
Oh well, the next group will take me in.
Simple as that.
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I will take a free lunar over paying 500k ijs
and i help friends with lunar no big deal. they can keep the damn eod's i don't currently need them
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Eh Demon Amp > Sage Amp anyway. That's one of the reasons Demon Amp is perhaps the rarest skill aside from Demon Nova to find on the AH.Nyxsa - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well good luck to you because like my signature says - I am a Demon Veno. And for various reason why I chose to go demon over sage is possibly because Sage Amp is the only thing people want and as a humble player, I cannot afford such coin to acquire these skills otherwise I would have. Sure farm farm and more farming outta help with it but if you need Sage Veno make it yourself so you dont have to worry about choosing. As a Demon Veno (and a month old lvl 100) I've done fine in these new instances to where I have an idea of it, be it small or otherwise.
When someone pays the fee and requests the EoD they WILL get it from me if the drop went to me because why would I go to an instance someone paid and take what they wanted out of it? I'm not a thief. If anything I'd help bring a squad together which is the least I can possibly do for this person if they squad isn't full because bit by bit I'm still learning. Now, its different if the person says its ok to get the mold and someone in group is just standing around and it goes to them, you obviously cant argue on it even though you'd like to. I don't mind paying the fee at all when it comes down to it and I don't mind getting my BH Done/Rewards either when it comes to Lunar. My only concern is crossing someone who demands a Sage Veno.
Oh well, the next group will take me in.
Simple as that.
The extra damage from sage is nice, but the duration is what matters in my opinion.0 -
Alsiadorra - Sanctuary wrote: »Eh Demon Amp > Sage Amp anyway. That's one of the reasons Demon Amp is perhaps the rarest skill aside from Demon Nova to find on the AH.
The extra damage from sage is nice, but the duration is what matters in my opinion.
Rare or not I can`t sell any amp atm got 2x demon and 1x sage, maybe the price is a bit too steep but they are the essential skills for a veno. b:surrender[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=14516063001&dateline=1364756666[/SIGPIC] Ty Silvy0 -
Thrieya - Lost City wrote: »Important classes being the ones that everyone wants in Lunar. You wouldn't do Lunar without a cleric, would you? If you're not one, anyway. Or a sin, or a BM, or a barb. And if you really say you would, I'd have to say all the people I've seen ragequit a squad thanks to the lack of a <insert class here> would disagree. Greatly.
I've done full lunars without barb (well, last lunar I did the barb left after card boss in Imbrium, and a BM tanked the remainder) and without sin. Haven't done one without cleric (though I suspect a mystic could fill the slot) and am not sure if I've done one without BM, but suspect I have.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Nyxsa - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well good luck to you because like my signature says - I am a Demon Veno. And for various reason why I chose to go demon over sage is possibly because Sage Amp is the only thing people want and as a humble player, I cannot afford such coin to acquire these skills otherwise I would have. Sure farm farm and more farming outta help with it but if you need Sage Veno make it yourself so you dont have to worry about choosing. As a Demon Veno (and a month old lvl 100) I've done fine in these new instances to where I have an idea of it, be it small or otherwise.
When someone pays the fee and requests the EoD they WILL get it from me if the drop went to me because why would I go to an instance someone paid and take what they wanted out of it? I'm not a thief. If anything I'd help bring a squad together which is the least I can possibly do for this person if they squad isn't full because bit by bit I'm still learning. Now, its different if the person says its ok to get the mold and someone in group is just standing around and it goes to them, you obviously cant argue on it even though you'd like to. I don't mind paying the fee at all when it comes down to it and I don't mind getting my BH Done/Rewards either when it comes to Lunar. My only concern is crossing someone who demands a Sage Veno.
Oh well, the next group will take me in.
Simple as that.
I'm demon to and guess what i'm still wanted cuz i know the instance and i know my class and amp is amp. Maybe cuz i only go with guildies and not so much randoms but to me amp is amp. If you want a veno pick either class.untamed_pain demon veno 103-100-101
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Thrieya - Lost City wrote: »Important classes being the ones that everyone wants in Lunar. You wouldn't do Lunar without a cleric, would you?
Have and would.Or a sin, or a BM, or a barb.
I actually make some (not all) all range squads for it on BH day so that would discount a Barb, BM, and Sin. Those squads without them are typically faster and smoother.And if you really say you would, I'd have to say all the people I've seen ragequit a squad thanks to the lack of a <insert class here> would disagree. Greatly.
Usually just one at most and they're easy to replace or avoid.Would I mind someone paying the fee and getting both EoDs while I get my BH done for my teles/repair/pots bills? No, I wouldn't mind.
I mind. There's already advantages to being a squad maker. They shouldn't be paying themselves 3m for something that usually cost 1 tele (if they didn't lie about it being free). Seriously though; the greedy ones should just be abandoned after BH boss. Their EoD? -Let them get it. When I make squad it's for a single EoD; all else is random. On 2x: I'll solo it because no one else is content with split and random drops it seems.0 -
It's both sad and fun how sage amp is a condition for a veno to be taken to even FCs, not to mention all other instances. A good veno is much more than just amp. And some skills themselves cost more than very good gear. Which has bigger advantage, having good gears when skills 90% max. powered or totally **** gears for that lil super expensive boost?
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Rather than complain about being excluded; make your own squad? (to the people not content in this thread)A good veno is much more than just amp.
Good venos are as rare as good sins (very rare); surprisingly they're never questioned over their Subsea level. A veno that amps makes the decision a bit more idiot proof (I remember a time we had to demand to most venos to get on all fours or get kicked).And for various reason why I chose to go demon over sage is possibly because Sage Amp is the only thing people want and as a humble player, I cannot afford such coin to acquire these skills otherwise I would have.And some skills themselves cost more than very good gear.
20m for amp is not expensive. BH100 alone pays up to 5m a day. A +10 well imbued S3 piece of armor costs a lot more. Venos also don't generally make good tanks, so why would you care so much about their gear?
I personally don't prefer one over the other and am amused by those wc's asking for sage amp. As a sage: I find sage soul degeneration to be more helpful a lot of times (except when I realize it had no effect)0 -
Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »Rare or not I can`t sell any amp atm got 2x demon and 1x sage, maybe the price is a bit too steep but they are the essential skills for a veno. b:surrender
What do they usually go for now?
I forgot how much I paid for sage amp on my veno, but I paid 17mil for demon amp(for another veno) about 2 yrs ago.
Sage really should be no more than 20mil.
SSD on the other hand...
And while SSD is great, it is a terrible idea to use it in FCC.0 -
Alsiadorra - Sanctuary wrote: »What do they usually go for now?
I forgot how much I paid for sage amp on my veno, but I paid 17mil for demon amp(for another veno) about 2 yrs ago.
Sage really should be no more than 20mil.
SSD on the other hand...
And while SSD is great, it is a terrible idea to use it in FCC.
It`s hard to say since I never see them either in AH or shops, placed demon for 18 and sage for 30 since sage is way better, if no1 will buy slowly lower the price ,better to slightly overprice if you don`t know the exact price than let somebody buy and then resell for more. :P
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Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »It`s hard to say since I never see them either in AH or shops, placed demon for 18 and sage for 30 since sage is way better, if no1 will buy slowly lower the price ,better to slightly overprice if you don`t know the exact price than let somebody buy and then resell for more. :P
Still got way too many books to sell, so trying to get rid of them as soon as possible.
That might be too much...also Sage is not "way better" >.> it just works in a different way than Demon and the high DPS/DPH era favours Sage because bosses can go down under 20 seconds (though not all squads manage to).
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Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »That might be too much...also Sage is not "way better" >.> it just works in a different way than Demon and the high DPS/DPH era favours Sage because bosses can go down under 20 seconds (though not all squads manage to).
Sorry just had to correct that xD kinda iffy when people get Venomancers facts wrong but I don't blame you.
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I think general opinion / thought is being swayed by squad maker's world chats. Again more reason to start making your own squads. If I'm correct on this; you'll likely see squad makers requesting ranged dd's for Lunar. I won't say they're better; just different like sage / demon amp.
One thing to consider about sage/ demon amps for those that complain of it's expense: An assassin that's worth having (or even can tank what a Herc can) costs way hella more than your amp. L11 amp was a mega cheap pass for venos in the Nirvana days.
I wonder how many people are even honest about their amp. It's not like we can peak at people's skill levels.
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If I do a BH Lunar, I wait to see someone forming in WC with the wording "BH Lunar", then leave after the BH boss is done, cos technically, they only made a squad for BH and didnt specify if it was a full run xD
People be tripping if saying BH Lunar implies it's a full Lunar run, lol.
As for forming, I ask for 500k fee but only up to the BH boss, then solo to the end for the Ess of Def. A normal player could easily ask for mayb 1/2 ppl from the squad to stay and finish the run and split the profits in some ratio. This way makes much more sense to me and is a lot more fair to everyone.G_tar_God ~ 104
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Never thought I'd see the day when I'm glad that the forum population only represents a fraction of all the players.
For all the people saying that they solo full Lunar, or tank it with anything that's not a barb/BM/seeker, or do it without a cleric, congrats on having resources that the majority of players don't!
I've been in situations where half my squad ragequit because there wasn't a barb, or because there wasn't a sin. One sin even quit because there wasn't a veno in squad and I had to spend half an hour WCing to find another one.
You act like time is free, I'd say it's not. Unfortunately, there are many players that don't have 2 hours to spend going through Lunar killing mobs one by one.0 -
This whole argument comes down to 2 questions. Is it wrong to take advantage of peoples stupidity/laziness? And is it really 'bad' to be greedy as long as you're being fair about it?
What I find is normally the people complaining about the system are awful enough people to not have friends to run Lunar with and so have to resort to randoms, and that's where the problems arise.
I avoid any "Free" lunar squads. On Sanctuary EoDs run about 4m, and 6.5m outside of 2x so the "free" runs actually lose me 167k-567k in drops. I make alot more from paying 500k and getting a share of the split that I earn than I do from a "free" run.
I go back and forth on whether its fine or amoral to offer free runs or "I paid, I get drops" type runs. You're obviously cheating your squadmates out of their fair share, but you're also getting permission from them to do it when they join the squad, because they're either too stupid or too lazy to care.
And I'd say greed is not a bad thing. I hop onto PWI to level my char and to build his gear up. I don't hop on and go "I wonder if I can help a random wizard farm their gear. That sounds like fun." So as long as I'm fair about it my hardwork should be rewarded by a fair share of coin. If I do 1/6 the work (usually more, as I'm usually puller, tank, support, and highest dd in squad and often form the squad) then I'd say there is nothing wrong with me pursueing a fair share. The greedy people are the ones who feel self entitled to things just because their gear isn't as good, or because they can't farm as easily, so they think they should get a bigger share than they've earned.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
I have to say I do not need a sin, BM or a cleric in my Lunar squads. What I need is the "roles" for players: tanky guy, puller guy, healer/support guy, AOE DDs, DDs. That is all. Psychic can tank and pull Lunar bosses with good enough gears. Mystic can heal. Wizards and archers can AOE DD. It's just about the skill and having the right job to everyone.
What comes to no fee Lunar squads... get out. 500k fee makes it more fair to us all in my honest opinion. I am currently like only one forming 500k fee squads as it seems no one else has balls to do so.A good veno is much more than just amp.
I am sorry Kitty but you even miss your both Myriads... Those are ESSENTIAL for a support veno, though I know you can do pulls in instances.
In my opinion a good -instert class here- has a balance. They know their limits, they have important skills lvl 11 or they are working to get them to lvl 11 asap (here we can question again what are important skills... definately some buffs go into this category), they know HOW to use these skills and what exceptions there are when other classes are present and a good player ALSO has even decent gear for their level (not walking around in Warsong with tt 90, just.... no)
A good player also asks for guidance when they face a new and odd situation.Leader of Cyanure on Valonsurma and a proud member of Vertu
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