TW Random Times? You gotta be kidding

wtl
wtl Posts: 57 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion
This has got to be a mistake ... The faction I belong to on Lost server has 3 territories and this Saturday all 3 territories are being attacked. I don't have a problem with that .. my problem is all three wars start within 6 minutes of each other. Who checks this?
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  • CapnK - Sanctuary
    CapnK - Sanctuary Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    That's the way it's supposed to be. In fact you can have up to seven people attacking you at once.
  • wtl
    wtl Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    LOL so what you are saying is that if you have more than 1 territory that ALL BATTLES AGAINST YOUR FACTION WILL BE FOUGHT SIMULTANEOUSLY? I call BS on your part there.
  • ovenusarmanio
    ovenusarmanio Posts: 6,695 Community Moderator
    edited May 2013
    TW timing isn't random, certain time slots have priority over other timeslots. It's been possible for a very long time that a faction has to defend multiple tws at once. I suggest you read up on how TW works and the TW rules, so that you can be prepared for all aspects of tw. Here are the rules of TW.http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1397581 Someone with more familiarity with the system than me (i've only tw'ed a few times) can give you information on what resources can help you with things like bidding and timing and strategies. Forming alliances to take down a faction with multiple lands is part of the tw game and always has been.

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  • PsychicTuna - Harshlands
    PsychicTuna - Harshlands Posts: 128 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wtl wrote: »
    LOL so what you are saying is that if you have more than 1 territory that ALL BATTLES AGAINST YOUR FACTION WILL BE FOUGHT SIMULTANEOUSLY? I call BS on your part there.

    It has been like this since I started playing PW... And it is true about the up to 7 attackers against 1 faction.
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  • SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver
    SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wtl wrote: »
    LOL so what you are saying is that if you have more than 1 territory that ALL BATTLES AGAINST YOUR FACTION WILL BE FOUGHT SIMULTANEOUSLY? I call BS on your part there.

    Cal BS all you like, it is how it is. If you can't defend more than one land you shouldn't cry about it b:laugh Be preared to lose your 2-3 lands
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wtl wrote: »
    This has got to be a mistake ... The faction I belong to on Lost server has 3 territories and this Saturday all 3 territories are being attacked. I don't have a problem with that .. my problem is all three wars start within 6 minutes of each other. Who checks this?

    You must be new here :3

    If you can't defend more than one land simultaneously, don't get more than one land. You have no business being in TW.
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  • wtl
    wtl Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You must be new here :3

    If you can't defend more than one land simultaneously, don't get more than one land. You have no business being in TW.
    You're Soooo right, I have no business playing TW where the guilds can "fix" the times to Gank another guild. And to reply to the link left in another reply, it says nothing about the war times, so maybe a little more clarification or a link that shows how the times are chosen would have been more appropriate. It's definitely Not required at this point for me. After the guilds I belong to lose their lands, I will not participate any more. I see no reason to waste my time, charms and pots to play in a rigged farce.
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    If you can't defend more than one simultaneously, but can defend one, then send most of your defenders to the land you think you'll do best on, and no more than a token force to the others.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wtl wrote: »
    LOL so what you are saying is that if you have more than 1 territory that ALL BATTLES AGAINST YOUR FACTION WILL BE FOUGHT SIMULTANEOUSLY? I call BS on your part there.


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  • HrunsPanda - Archosaur
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur Posts: 1,136 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wtl wrote: »
    You're Soooo right, I have no business playing TW where the guilds can "fix" the times to Gank another guild.

    well they also have to spread their forces then right ? or use multiple guilds turning it into a diplomatic game a bit.
  • Reliea - Sanctuary
    Reliea - Sanctuary Posts: 685 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    This serves 2 good purposes:
    1) causing majority land holding factions to have to double-triple-quadruple...septuple(!) defend against attackers. Whether this is feasible or not isn't really an issue, as it helps to prevent all the lands being held by 1 faction, enabling more factions to hold land, and/or causing priority focus and the development of management skills.

    2) preventing members (non-executive/leadership) from TWing for 2+ TW factions simultaneously. I guess you could... but you wouldn't be very helpful overall.

    I'm not a TW faction leader so I have no idea how truly co-ordinated some of these multiple attacks ("ganks") can be. Most of the time I think it's just a coincidence.
    Most of the time I don't have a problem with the TW times, except Monday ones I guess, but they hardly come up outside of map reset month.
  • wtl
    wtl Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Just spent the last hour or so "researching" the rules and was only able to find this.http://pwi.perfectworld.com/advinfo/territory Can someone show me where it allows the bidding guild to specify what time the wars will be? I even searched all the cabbage patch notes and didn't find anything that was related to who set the times. As far as I can find, it seems to be generally accepted by every one replying here that what happened is correct and I don't seem to find anything to support that. It's not like the bigger, better geared guilds would need to gank another guild to win territories.
  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Noone specifies the time slot they get upon bidding, it's random.

    Seriously, where have you been the last years. b:laugh
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  • wtl
    wtl Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »
    well they also have to spread their forces then right ? or use multiple guilds turning it into a diplomatic game a bit.

    no one is having to spread their forces but my guild as 3 different guilds are attacking us at the same time
  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    well, either he is in the top guild and guilds 2,3,4 attacked or it's one of those guilds that everyone hates XD
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  • wtl
    wtl Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Noone specifies the time slot they get upon bidding, it's random.

    Seriously, where have you been the last years. b:laugh

    My point ... So how random is it when u have 3 territories and 3 guilds attack your territories and all 3 battle times are the same date and time?
  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Is this a really terrible troll thread or...?
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  • Harpy_killer - Sanctuary
    Harpy_killer - Sanctuary Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    just lol...
    so if your country gets attacked by 3 countries at the same time, you gonna ask them pls to do it one at a time?? just lol x2
  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wtl wrote: »
    My point ... So how random is it when u have 3 territories and 3 guilds attack your territories and all 3 battle times are the same date and time?

    In the same way that it is random if you get mysterious chips 20 times in a row for a BH reward. Sure, it sucks, but it isn't someone planning against you. You just got unlucky.

    Guilds cannot, and never have been able to, choose a time for their attack. All they can do is bid and the system does the rest.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wtl wrote: »
    My point ... So how random is it when u have 3 territories and 3 guilds attack your territories and all 3 battle times are the same date and time?

    You keep saying TW times are "random". They aren't random and there has never been a random component in TW scheduling. The system is designed to schedule defenses at the same time.

    When scheduling the scheduler always prioritizes factions by their number of defenses. The faction with the most defenses is scheduled first and will have their first defense on Saturday 8pm, their second at 8:03pm, etc. The exact order is determined by the order in which the bids were made (so the opposing faction who bid first gets the 8pm saturday slot).
    I believe right now you can have up to 7 defenses in the same timeslot before other timeslots are filled (it used to be a max of 3 but this was changed when it became too easy to take the whole map).

    Once that faction's defenses are scheduled the defenses of the faction with the next highest number of defenses is scheduled and so on until all battles have been scheduled. These days you rarely need more than two timeslots for all battles but I think there are 5 slots with Monday and Tuesday being used if there are lots of battles.

    Most faction leaders are aware of the scheduling rules and will know exactly when their battle will be before the schedule is announced.
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  • wtl
    wtl Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Is this a really terrible troll thread or...?
    So anytime you see something you don't understand or think is wrong, you shouldn't say anything else you are trolling?

    Harpy_killer - Sanctuary wrote: »
    just lol...
    so if your country gets attacked by 3 countries at the same time, you gonna ask them pls to do it one at a time?? just lol x2
    This is supposed to be a game. I will be doing the same thing I would do if my country was attacked by 3 countries at the same time. That was never the issue here....Read the thread title. Don't pi$$ down my back and tell me it's raining.
  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wtl wrote: »
    So anytime you see something you don't understand or think is wrong, you shouldn't say anything else you are trolling?


    This is supposed to be a game. I will be doing the same thing I would do if my country was attacked by 3 countries at the same time. That was never the issue here....Read the thread title. Don't pi$$ down my back and tell me it's raining.

    Asterelle answered you.
    The game schedules it so that all defenses are at the same time.
    This is to help keep one faction from taking over all land.

    Theoretically if you had 200 competent people in your faction you could send about 66 to every war.
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  • wtl
    wtl Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Thank you Asterelle - Sanctuary for your post. It was the most informative and did somewhat answer my question/issue.

    It would seem that even tho I was unable to find the link to the information, it must be out there. It seems that my decision to participate in TW was a poor one. I will help my guilds until they lose their territories and after that will NOT participate again.

    To me, it looks like it is set up for only the biggest guilds on the server and that pwi actively schedules the other guilds to lose. As if the larger guilds need their help.
  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wtl wrote: »
    Thank you Asterelle - Sanctuary for your post. It was the most informative and did somewhat answer my question/issue.

    It would seem that even tho I was unable to find the link to the information, it must be out there. It seems that my decision to participate in TW was a poor one. I will help my guilds until they lose their territories and after that will NOT participate again.

    To me, it looks like it is set up for only the biggest guilds on the server and that pwi actively schedules the other guilds to lose. As if the larger guilds need their help.

    That's completely ignorant and backwards.
    If it was not set up this way then the largest guilds on server could easily take over the entire map with no effort at all.

    This setup allows multiple smaller factions like yours to team up on the larger factions.
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  • Svaarog - Sanctuary
    Svaarog - Sanctuary Posts: 355 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's always been this way, before you could have 3 defenses at the same time, now you can have 7. I do believe it is a good system, even tho unfortunate situations like yours will happen in which smaller facs that do wish to have more lands can lose them all in a day it also prevents monster factions to take over and leave hardly any territories for the rest, being in a 'monster' faction myself I approve of this system as it is challenging for us as well to try and defend as many lands as we can.

    If there was no this system, some factions could easily control entire map even as there would be no one strong enough to win them in 1 v 1 battle.

    I remember on Sanctuary a faction complaining about being ganked, it was random as I was part of a smaller fac then and know our leader simply bid on that faction's land because we wanted a fight, now, only because 2-3 other leaders thought the same does not really mean its any conspiracy going on behind it, simply a coincidence.
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  • wtl
    wtl Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    That's completely ignorant and backwards.
    If it was not set up this way then the largest guilds on server could easily take over the entire map with no effort at all.

    This setup allows multiple smaller factions like yours to team up on the larger factions.

    lLet's just agree to disagree. What was set up to put the larger guilds more at risk seems to have backfired and put my guild at risk.

    If you can't see that, then who are you to call anyone ignorant and backwards?
  • FallenNix - Raging Tide
    FallenNix - Raging Tide Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Sweetiebot, plz show the TW times.
  • SweetieBot - Lothranis
    SweetieBot - Lothranis Posts: 18,978 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    FallenNix - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Sweetiebot, plz show the TW times.
    What Times?
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  • FallenNix - Raging Tide
    FallenNix - Raging Tide Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Sweetiebot, the times that PWI schedules the TW battles.
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    SweetieBot - Lothranis Posts: 18,978 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    FallenNix - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Sweetiebot, the times that PWI schedules the TW battles.
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