Seekers Pulling

I would say the seekers you're running into are fail.

I've been doing big pulls for a while with My Seeker, and often have fun doing solo trains in FCC. At 97, with average TT90 Mountcrasher, and 10k hp buffed, I can pull almost as well with my Seeker as I can with my similarly-geared 92 barb that has 16.5k hp. (Sadly, that's better than most 100+ barbs these days.)

Hell, I've even done aura RB runs where I would do the pulls, then set up Vortex because we had no barb and the squad wasn't geared enough for spawn.

With our defense levels, a few apocs, and the right genie skills, Seekers can pull as well as barbs, and then AoE DD like mad when they're done.

Given their natural defense boosts, plus the extra hp, and added defense levels from skills, there's no reason the BM should be pulling instead of the Seeker.

Call them out and shame them for not knowing **** about how to play their own class.

Some people take 5 years and still don't learn how to play.

it is very possible to get interrupted while setting up vortex. (Even with blade affinity up if the skill isn't leveled up, it can so still very much get interrupted easily.)

Though the more defense you have/hp, the easier it is to 'recover' from a potential interruption of setting up vortex. NOTICE I said DEFENSE... hp alone wont keep you alive through all the attacks, every single time.

I am definitely not trying to say this is why they failed, but if their 'skill levels' suck or their actual skill of themselves sucks... they will struggle to pull and set up vortex. Ergo its often far easier to just let others pull, and set up votex right behind the puller. In other words vortex doesn't always get up without a hitch so to speak, especially during the pull to the 'dbz/slash' boss room in fc.

Seekers can pull its just easier if someone else does. If vortex doesn't get started in time the seeker dies or the cleric whose healing him dies and then everybody dies. If someone else pulls the chances of failure are so low its almost a guaranteed win.

Try and remember that the seekers genie is prolly going to be dead from using multiple Holy Paths by the end of the pull so its not realistic to say you can use a genie skill to protect yourself at the end of pulling/start of vortex juncture.

Seekers have such puny anti stuns that they will prolly have to use vac powder on a lot of pulls. So apo pots are now in cooldown and cannot help at juncture.

None of this means seekers can't pull. I've seen R9rrr seekers pretty much solo a full Lunar pull. And normally geared seekers can do normal sized pulls. But its just easier if someone else pulls.

Something about Lunar pulls I want to add, I once did it with an archer pulling. I started on a single mob and he used leaps and speed skills to round up more. The mobs were grouped so much more tightly then when a barb pulls or a seeker does his own pull. Nothing was out of vortex range it was so much easier. Would do it that way every time if I thought I could convince the squad to do it.

Kendaichi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

it is very possible to get interrupted while setting up vortex. (Even with blade affinity up if the skill isn't leveled up, it can so still very much get interrupted easily.)

that due to lag.

or

your just dealing with fast lvling noobs who never took the time to understand what genies, apoths are useful in keeping themselves alive the first crucial seconds of a laggy mob bum rush.

"Pulling is the easy job, 'catching' the mobs is something else"

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This.

Pull is actually easy. I did with my seeker, I do now on my BM and I never had to use holy path, just go walking from the inside part of the mobs group, keep Unfetter/Cloud Sprint for the last 3 groups, BM running into Vortex and Seeker using BA+Vortex on the last group.

What I don't get is why most of seekers don't have Expel to do FF runs. b:shocked
Even if you do a genie just to have it (Expel + TM). If you have BP you don't need BB/heals to catch or to do FFs pull.

OFC if the seeker has lag just ask to someone pull into vortex, is so much easy and safer, everyone will be inside bb, don't even need Expel for this. b:victory

Fissile - Archosaur wrote: »

What most people fail to realize is that you don't need any speed skills at all to pull the mobs in that room. They run slower than the natural speed of every class.

Most people are used to barbs grabbing the mobs at light speed. For me I feel like I'm slowing everyone down by just using my natural speed.

For me, I would say there are different situations:

scenario 1) Most mobs are melee/no seal/stun/freeze or such stuff -> seeker that can't pull them need to practice harder.. Thats really easy

scenario 2) mixed mobs melee and ranged but still no /seal/stunn/freeze. -> needs a bit training to set the vortex in a good position but is still no big deal

scenario 3) mobs that seal/stun/freeze -> either you have someone who catches them fast, have a antistun pot or forget it. I would never call a seeker fail, not even a RRR9 one who refuses to pull the whole metal path in Warsong.. Problem is most of the time you get seal there and a sealed seeker can't attack -> no BP effect -> no agro -> cleric can't heal -> they kill you. And for the BM that started it in the beginning: BMs have a reliable stun, which gives them the time a cleric needs to set up BB, so they get healing faster and avoid getting stunned to death much easier. So it's not always a thing of HP or def, but also of skills...

So, please, if you say that someone is fail, just because he refuses to pull think about what he is supposed to pull..