Fair or no one cares

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.
or: if the cleric heals, the tank tanks and the DD dd it's a fine squad whether it's a squad of 1,2,3,...,N people, cats or robots

even 2 of the 'crucial' jobs (healing/pulling/tanking) can be reasonably accomplished with two monitors; from that, dragging a sin to dd at the boss or a wizzie to DB seems quite trivial. a bit concerned about the pavs but i've soloed two pavs at the same time so with the right gear it doesnt seem impossible. in fact, it's highly probable that that guy will coordinate his actions way better than 4 randoms.

"buuuuut he gets 4x rewaaards"
go ahead and play (&gear) 4x toons. for the record though, only 2x is "legal" afaik

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As long as they can perform adequately, I see nothing wrong with it.

This. As long as the squad runs well and they do their part, it's no prob for me.

I actually often dual myself. Especially in situations like delta or BH aba/seat. Doesn't take much to BB there, uh.

dizzyrunks wrote: »

Ok.. Just ask because i ran a AEU with a guy playing 3 toons.. was wondering why 2 people was not doing anything at all an i found it unfair to the rest of the squad.. that he was able to get more chances to get the nice gems that drops.. when just putting toons on following an not really helping much

that sounds unfair. unless it's part of some agreement (e.g. i'll join with my godly mains and have 2 alts gaining exp (tbh i think that the main profit is exp/chests))

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i'd kick someone that did nothing regardless of dual clienting :b

Agree...I always go with the punt.

dizzyrunks wrote: »

Sadly i not had lead was the person forming squad who the lts belonged to QQb:surrender

If you realize this is going on and the squad lead is having you and the others do all the work for his toons, then leave, only thing you can do. You can always find another AEU, WS, BH somewhere else. If you really want the chest/exp that badly then you may just have to put up with it, but if squads are wiping or boss isn't dieing because his alts aren't doing their jobs, you're wasting your time by staying there anyway.

this happen a lot when we got w2 BH, dont know why i always got in squads with toons just standing and doing nothing b:sad

I actually normally only play 1 toon at any given time, unless it's for me to go solo a low level BH for one of my nab toons, namely my sin. I won't however, go into a squad with 2 toons, primarily because they aren't in the same level range. Even if they were, still wouldn't. b:laugh

Playing multiple toons will never be as efficient as that same person would have been playing only 1. I only I accept others playing multi-spots in squad when :
- It's a bh (so short) when the squad already has what it takes and it can be efficiently dualled because the alt they drag allong has only minor use (buff or bb cleric) and the main one is well geared. In other words, I only accept a buff alt to be dragged allong if the main one makes up for the lack of an effective cleric.
- There is a specific class or other person needed to complete/open.
- With friends, because I know they won't abuse it and I'm glad to help them doing 2 runs at once.

Myself, if I drag in alts on a squad with randoms, I make sure to clean till boss before inviting people. That way, there will be no issues with anyone.

In the case of AEU and full warsong, I wouldn't go with people dragging in alts. I can't see how that is for anything else then claiming more drops while slowing things down. Especially in full warsong, I'd rather just go with 5 then have someone bring an alt. It usually only leads to excessive mold claiming.

dizzyrunks wrote: »

But these people don't let it be known to the others that they are playing more than 1 toon.. Me personally don't mind it in Bh(SoT and AbA), but AEU and full warsong I don't think it fair to others because I feel the person using others for their personal gain

I have done this before, but only under certain conditions.
1. I could fully utilize both toons.
2. The squad knew I was going to do it ahead of time. (Usually it's done more out of need, than because I want to dual-client.)
3. I do not take extra drops. We set the drops to free, have one person banking, and they are distributed at the end of the run. (Besides, my 92 barb couldn't do anything with most of the drops he'd get anyhow.)

The only time I consider doing this myself or accept it in others is if it's a friend/fac mate and they're not like oh surprise you're gonna help me out with this.

When I do morai I have 1 of my toons, 2 of my wife's toons, and frequently a couple more people there just sitting there as I kill stuff. I'm perfectly capable of handling wizard slaves or gray rhinos on my own, so why bother forcing someone else to do it separately.

That of course is a situation where the excess spots in squad aren't needed to perform the task at hand. My wife is more than capable of playing a psy and cleric at the same time, frequently better than some of the other clerics I see in game when they're just on their one cleric, the same goes for many of the other people I'm friends with. With macros and auto pot half the time on high HP bosses I'm not doing any controlling anyway besides when I get sealed or stunned or whatever else, and can very easily add another toon without diminishing effectiveness.

IF the multiclienting does effect their ability to be useful, then yeah, I'd say leave (or if they're really pissing you off, you could technically report them, but that seem's kind of excessive)

I have no problem with it as long as both toons are contributing their fair share. I know and have run with plenty of people who can operate multiple toons better than most people playing only one.

I often BH with two, in the case of Aba and SoT I clear the whole instance by myself, invite 4 randoms and have my cleric BB and barb tank. Similar with W2 all a cleric does is BB so someone running a DD toon as well is not an issue, you can also say the same about classes with constant aoes running a second.

Most profits from the instances come from either the AEU chests at the end or from handing in the BH so someone having two people is not really reducing everyone elses individual profits. Instances are so easy these days that you don't need a full squad of active people to complete anyway - the exception being maybe full warsong and AEU.

we have a saying here in Texas "If it aint broke dont fit it."- Texan b:thanks if it works dont compline just roll with it

I have no problem if, and only if, they play them well enough that I wouldn't even know someone was multiclienting. Which is the case for a lot of people. Otherwise, it does irk me to see one or two people not helping out at all. I dislike freeloaders.

Exceptions to the rule for me: some squads where we wc for tank/cleric 20+ times until one member says they can bring theirs but would have to drag their other char because they suck at multiclienting. Since this allows us to complete and otherwise not completable BH, I'm fine with it. And it's also fine by me if the multiclienter has cleared the instance alone, and just invites people at boss. He/she did enough work that I don't care if one stands around at boss or uses a macro... as long as they don't get us all killed.

I personally suck at multiclienting, but since I have a cleric on a separate account I usually do on certain BHs. For Aba and SoT, I clear the entire thing myself before inviting anyone since I mostly drag the cleric.