Nation Wars - Guide to greedyness

EllyFire - Dreamweaver
EllyFire - Dreamweaver Posts: 44 Arc User
edited May 2013 in Nation Wars
Welcome to my Nation Wars guide on how to be a 'greedy ****' and get as much tokens in the end by sacrificing all form of solidarity. This works best for lower level/non well geared people who only care about their coin reward in the end.

First of all, your goal is to maximize your amount of Personal Credits and to parasite of the other stronger, more organized NW squads in your nation. The golden **** rule is : "First personal credits, then the nation credits".

Basicly, anything that makes people (of both your own nation and opposite nations) rage on you is a good way to go. Following simple rules are based on personal experience and logical thinking :
  1. Use your alts. You'd be surprised of how much extra credits you can get of a simple lvl 60 alt, parked in a territory. Level and gears don't matter much, you will die in every enemy encounter. Just remember to send him to different territories as soon as he gets out.
  2. Spawn kill. This is one of the rare chances you get as a non max-geared player to kill some folks, regardless of your level and gear. If they don't heal up rightaway, you can kill them in a few hits, especially if they're not paying much attention.
  3. Go for the flag. It doesn't matter if you're weak and slow, whenever you got the chance to snag that flag, get it. Teammates will rant at you but still will escort you as safely as possible to your flag-deposit. The only exception to this, is when an ally barbarian is close to the flag, as he will bring it in faster and safer, allowing you to go to another territory faster.
  4. Be pesky. The first thing you should do when you enter a battle area, is to grab the blessing of the overseer (quest). At low levels you will gain an incredible amount of attack and defense levels but you'll still be about as useful as a hypering in the realm of reflection, but it helps.
  5. Only buff your teammates when there is nothing else to do. It'll slightly help your side to win the territory which is always a good thing. You also get a few credits for doing so. But if an enemy is in range, go attack him instead.
  6. Follow the strong allies. Even though dying is not a problem at all, hiding in the shadows of your 'comrades' will allow you to land more hits on enemies, which is a good way to make credits. Truly parasiting at its finest.
  7. Pick the right territory. Above anything else, being able to chose the best territories will influence your aquired personal credits immensly. What is a 'good' territory you may think? Well it should have as few people in it as possible, but slightly more of your own side so the chances of winning are greater. Corners of the world map are often a good choice.
  8. Block enemy progress. This is one of the few rules where you're going to help out your nation a little, by going to an enemy territory with 0 players in it. That way you can easily hold off 20 opponents, by hiding somewehere (for example behind your flag base). Waste as much time of your opponents as you can. And since you're the only one inthere, you'll get quite some credits after the battle. As a bonus, it can baselock your oponents.
  9. Your nation really loses... Abandon ship, if your nation is doing very badly (how would that come? b:bye ) just leave the war. Even by applying all above rules, a sucky nation will nerf your rewards in the end. It's up to you to decide if it's worth it to stay. You can complain and try to get more people to leave so you'll have less credits to share in the end with your nation, but it won't help all that much. If your alt however is in another nation, focus on him.

You can rage at this topic, you can love it but in the end, being douchey in NW really pays off for the non-elite players regardless of your opinion on the matter.

PS : If you know of any obvious rule I forgot, be free to share it, because don't forget : "sharing is caring."f:shy Have a nice one.
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  • Flamespirit - Dreamweaver
    Flamespirit - Dreamweaver Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    What a refreshing post.
  • EllyFire - Dreamweaver
    EllyFire - Dreamweaver Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    What a refreshing post.

    Thank you. f:sneaky
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  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    lol... love it b:chuckle

    To all the little people out there, follow this to build tokens as you make your way to OPness! b:victory
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  • MiniST - Sanctuary
    MiniST - Sanctuary Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    why hide behind base or do anything in a 1 v20? Just leave the battle and goto another especially if the territory u just came from is open. If you know u can't do much damage, just goto a land and leave immediately especially when it's a big battle. Even at 21 place, u still get like 350 credits for doing nothing if your nation wins the battle.
  • Zheii - Archosaur
    Zheii - Archosaur Posts: 2,732 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Bahahahaha, this cracked me up, big time, but i seriously have a problem with people who pick the flag no-matter what they're gear is ._.

    In a 20v20 and a seeker with TT80 Gear picks the flag you know you are so ****ed, it is such a pain in the butt 'xD

    There have been so many times I wish i could kill people in the same nation as me >.>'
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  • Nariin - Dreamweaver
    Nariin - Dreamweaver Posts: 890 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Bahahahaha, this cracked me up, big time, but i seriously have a problem with people who pick the flag no-matter what they're gear is ._.

    In a 20v20 and a seeker with TT80 Gear picks the flag you know you are so ****ed, it is such a pain in the butt 'xD

    There have been so many times I wish i could kill people in the same nation as me >.>'

    their*

    Well sure if there's other much stronger allies around, picking a flag as a low level is not the best idea... But many times they just aren't around untill you actually pick a flag. I'm a sin and I don't generally pick flags, but if I shout flag location and nobody comes there, I pick it up before enemy comes. Then run solo and past the people fighting. If I die, I get people complaining about sins picking the flag. Apparently it's better if enemy does it.
    I just hate battles where your whole team is just PKing in the middle and enemy is free to pick and carry the flag, without me being able to stop them for long. Then I eighter join PKing or leave the battle. And I wish I could kill people from my nation too then.
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  • Neodaystar - Sanctuary
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    No matter how well you think you did on your personal credits, if the nation you are in does really terrible then you will end up getting much lesser tokens per personal credits. So you should do your best and prioritize nation credits before personal until about the last few credit updates. If you know your nation will end up being 3rd or 4th, that is the right time to concentrate more on personal credits.

    Don't forget you also earn more personal credits for battles that you win. So if you are being greedy and only worry about your personal credits by concentrating only on pk-ing others and picking up the flag knowing you will get one shot, you are only hindering your chances of obtaining more personal credits by not winning that battle. The only time a bad geared person should pick up the flag is to use it as a delay and stalemate breakup tactic to win the battle.
  • ovenusarmanio
    ovenusarmanio Posts: 6,695 Community Moderator
    edited April 2013
    their*

    Well sure if there's other much stronger allies around, picking a flag as a low level is not the best idea... But many times they just aren't around untill you actually pick a flag. I'm a sin and I don't generally pick flags, but if I shout flag location and nobody comes there, I pick it up before enemy comes. Then run solo and past the people fighting. If I die, I get people complaining about sins picking the flag. Apparently it's better if enemy does it.
    I just hate battles where your whole team is just PKing in the middle and enemy is free to pick and carry the flag, without me being able to stop them for long. Then I eighter join PKing or leave the battle. And I wish I could kill people from my nation too then.

    I see this all the time. So many complain constantly about people should shouldn't be picking the flag grabbing it but 9/10 it's because none of the properly geared people could be bothered to do it. I don't know about you, but I'd rather have even a one-shot pick it up that is on my team. One point for us > versus possible 10 points for them. At the very least it buys a flag reset, which gives our team the chance for someone on our team that can run it to grab it rather than the enemy. The flag isn't exactly respawning at random times, or quick to dig. How did you let that person pick the flag anyway?
    No matter how well you think you did on your personal credits, if the nation you are in does really terrible then you will end up getting much lesser tokens per personal credits. So you should do your best and prioritize nation credits before personal until about the last few credit updates. If you know your nation will end up being 3rd or 4th, that is the right time to concentrate more on personal credits.

    Don't forget you also earn more personal credits for battles that you win. So if you are being greedy and only worry about your personal credits by concentrating only on pk-ing others and picking up the flag knowing you will get one shot, you are only hindering your chances of obtaining more personal credits by not winning that battle. The only time a bad geared person should pick up the flag is to use it as a delay and stalemate breakup tactic to win the battle.

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  • Connera - Heavens Tear
    Connera - Heavens Tear Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    their*

    Well sure if there's other much stronger allies around, picking a flag as a low level is not the best idea...

    there are* b:chuckle
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  • EllyFire - Dreamweaver
    EllyFire - Dreamweaver Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    No matter how well you think you did on your personal credits, if the nation you are in does really terrible then you will end up getting much lesser tokens per personal credits. So you should do your best and prioritize nation credits before personal until about the last few credit updates. If you know your nation will end up being 3rd or 4th, that is the right time to concentrate more on personal credits.

    Don't forget you also earn more personal credits for battles that you win. So if you are being greedy and only worry about your personal credits by concentrating only on pk-ing others and picking up the flag knowing you will get one shot, you are only hindering your chances of obtaining more personal credits by not winning that battle. The only time a bad geared person should pick up the flag is to use it as a delay and stalemate breakup tactic to win the battle.

    If your nation is doing absolutely great, but you got few personal credits you'll get much less tokens per nation credit. What you need is finding the good balance, except that as a bad geared player, you can influence your personal credits A LOT more than the actual nation credits. Even that is an understatement, low tier players simply cannot influence the outcome of a nation in any way. Only strong organized squad can possibly change the tide slowly.

    As for the top tier people that fight in the middle for kills... What do you think they do it for? f:stare
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  • ovenusarmanio
    ovenusarmanio Posts: 6,695 Community Moderator
    edited April 2013
    If your nation is doing absolutely great, but you got few personal credits you'll get much less tokens per nation credit. What you need is finding the good balance, except that as a bad geared player, you can influence your personal credits A LOT more than the actual nation credits. Even that is an understatement, low tier players simply cannot influence the outcome of a nation in any way. Only strong organized squad can possibly change the tide slowly.

    As for the top tier people that fight in the middle for kills... What do you think they do it for? f:stare

    Every battle won by the 10 minute mark influences the nation's score, and by sheer numbers non top gear people often play a big factor in whether or not a nation wins. That's why you can have a baselock squad get tons of personal contribution, and be in the losing nation. And still can. If their team mates are not out there winning battles, it won't matter what their personal contribution is they will still be in the losing nation. They will still suffer a token penalty for losing. They just can't be in enough battles at once to make this true and everyone should be doing their part to make sure their nation wins. In fact, a lot of the top geared squads in the old map weren't getting beat. They were sitting their camping enemy bases and always did well regardless of the map. Base locking was not effective because it blocked the best gear, it was effective because it blocked the other 180 people in a nation. Every battle counts and the outcome of nation relies a lot on how many people play smart, and don't do things like drag out battles when they shouldn't. Who cares if it's a 20v1, don't grab the flag unless you are fast. Things like that do influence the nation score. Although topgeared squads do play a large factor in whether or not a nation does well since they can block off more players, it's not true to say that non-top geared players have no impact on the ability of a nation to turn things around.

    A lot of people also will not attack the winning nation even if they have a clear path. They'd rather continue to wipe up last place. This is about the worst thing you can do, but you see it every nation war. There will be tons of people in dark for example that could either start taking down 1st place light nation lands, or last place flame lands, or third place frost lands. For some weird reason, they will not engage light. Often they are terrified they will end up fighting someone OP for them, I suppose. But those squads can't be in all places at once and everyone should be focusing on knocking down first place.
    there are* b:chuckle

    *their

    No matter there are gear doesn't make sense. Neither does no matter they are gear. Their is ownership of multiple people. The more ya know!

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  • Zheii - Archosaur
    Zheii - Archosaur Posts: 2,732 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    their*

    Well sure if there's other much stronger allies around, picking a flag as a low level is not the best idea... But many times they just aren't around untill you actually pick a flag. I'm a sin and I don't generally pick flags, but if I shout flag location and nobody comes there, I pick it up before enemy comes. Then run solo and past the people fighting. If I die, I get people complaining about sins picking the flag. Apparently it's better if enemy does it.
    I just hate battles where your whole team is just PKing in the middle and enemy is free to pick and carry the flag, without me being able to stop them for long. Then I eighter join PKing or leave the battle. And I wish I could kill people from my nation too then.

    Gah, my 4th grade spelling lessons have failed me once again! I really need to learn how to engrish.

    And I agree, if no-one is there, someone who is under-geared picking the flag as long as they are from my side is understandable, And I give them props for that, but I guess I should have been more specific in saving that I was talking about situations where you are just a few seconds to late and you are then standing next to and watching some one shot person picking the flag and then slowly running (sometimes even the wrong way) without popping a charger or any speed buffs towards the flag cap >.>'
    And then when you then get maybe halfway there or even less than that! they get randomly one shot and you have wait for the flag to spawn all over again, and even then sometimes watch the same thing repeat!
    I also know that people that should be picking the flag should be at spawn points, which is how my usual squad arranges things, but when facing strong opponents not everything goes according to plan and not everyone can be where they should be.
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  • Shardik - Lost City
    Shardik - Lost City Posts: 625 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Well...

    I think that it is better to grab the flag as many here have said, not caring if that peep is a oneshot or not, mostly because they got one point for your side against the potential loss of 10 points . so yeah, me approves.

    And about the time thinghy...it is a 2 hour mass pvp 20v20 battle thinghy for pete's sake.

    That never stopped being a thing or anything.
  • Zheii - Archosaur
    Zheii - Archosaur Posts: 2,732 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Well...

    I think that it is better to grab the flag as many here have said, not caring if that peep is a oneshot or not, mostly because they got one point for your side against the potential loss of 10 points . so yeah, me approves.

    And about the time thinghy...it is a 2 hour mass pvp 20v20 battle thinghy for pete's sake.

    That never stopped being a thing or anything.

    I guess my squad leaders serious attitude to NW has infected me too much, but every second counts when it comes to trying to win, because the faster we win, the faster we can move on to win other lands, meaning the more nation points we can accrue and the better we do all up.
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  • Shardik - Lost City
    Shardik - Lost City Posts: 625 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I guess my squad leaders serious attitude to NW has infected me too much, but every second counts when it comes to trying to win, because the faster we win, the faster we can move on to win other lands, meaning the more nation points we can accrue and the better we do all up.

    If the peeps get attitude. DROP IT LIKE IT'S HOT.

    BAD ZHEII.

    *rolls newspaper*


    pap pap pap pap pap pap pap

    its a game zheii b:surrender

    But you are right , less time to win gets you more points.

    But i am right too. the potential benefit of seconds versus a lost land don't add up.

    Besides most peeps who get the flag got it because there wasn't anyone near that one.

    That prolly means nothing but whatevs :3

    *i think we both are right*

    *meep*
  • Zheii - Archosaur
    Zheii - Archosaur Posts: 2,732 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    If the peeps get attitude. DROP IT LIKE IT'S HOT.

    BAD ZHEII.

    *rolls newspaper*


    pap pap pap pap pap pap pap

    its a game zheii b:surrender

    But you are right , less time to win gets you more points.

    But i am right too. the potential benefit of seconds versus a lost land don't add up.

    Besides most peeps who get the flag got it because there wasn't anyone near that one.

    That prolly means nothing but whatevs :3

    *i think we both are right*

    *meep*

    Haha, stop meeping 'xD and hitting me with a news paper o_o' or I'll hit you back with something harder >.> <.<
    And I realize it is just a game, but it's a game that i have put a lot of time energy and money into so I take it a bit seriously :P
    Oh and, Idm that nubs pick it when no-one else is near, I'm talking like, they go and pick it when you are close by, or they happen to click faster than you to dig, or something stupid like that x.x'
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  • Shardik - Lost City
    Shardik - Lost City Posts: 625 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Haha, stop meeping 'xD and hitting me with a news paper o_o' or I'll hit you back with something harder >.> <.<
    And I realize it is just a game, but it's a game that i have put a lot of time energy and money into so I take it a bit seriously :P
    Oh and, Idm that nubs pick it when no-one else is near, I'm talking like, they go and pick it when you are close by, or they happen to click faster than you to dig, or something stupid like that x.x'

    ._.

    zheii.

    YOU ARE THE HERO.

    IT IS YOU.

    just kidding hehe.

    *puts down news paper*

    PREPARE TO DEPLOY THE SHOOSH'S

    *Deploy shooo's: shoosh shoosh shoooooooooooosh*

    There hehe now everything is calm and peaceful.

    Oh you meant THAT kind of situations?

    Ill have to agree with ya there. Those guys suck. LOL
  • EllyFire - Dreamweaver
    EllyFire - Dreamweaver Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Also, when you think about it, isn't crushing all other nations another form of greedyness? f:money I know it's the goal of the game, but still : each territory your nation owns, is a territory 3 other nations lost. Especially since getting in a sepcific nation is completely random.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Also, when you think about it, isn't crushing all other nations another form of greedyness? f:money I know it's the goal of the game, but still : each territory your nation owns, is a territory 3 other nations lost. Especially since getting in a sepcific nation is completely random.

    b:chuckle it's ok to be greedy if your greediness benefits our nation but it's not ok if it benefits just you [SEE]
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  • Nariin - Dreamweaver
    Nariin - Dreamweaver Posts: 890 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    there are* b:chuckle

    Aw, got me x3
    I see this all the time. So many complain constantly about people should shouldn't be picking the flag grabbing it but 9/10 it's because none of the properly geared people could be bothered to do it. I don't know about you, but I'd rather have even a one-shot pick it up that is on my team. One point for us > versus possible 10 points for them. At the very least it buys a flag reset, which gives our team the chance for someone on our team that can run it to grab it rather than the enemy. The flag isn't exactly respawning at random times, or quick to dig. How did you let that person pick the flag anyway?

    I can easly be an one-shot with what gear people have nowdays, so I don't pick a flag if I see other allies are actually interested in it. I still camp spawn points to shout a location and stop enemy from picking it up untill I die or others show up. Regardless, stronger players have no right to not allow weaker ones to be involved in flag picking, besides getting a picking point they have a chance to sucesfully carry it to the end (especially if enemies are not interested in it as well). A chance the middle PKers don't have :3

    Edit: >.< I haven't been to NW since about 3 weeks before new map came up.
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  • The__Sun - Dreamweaver
    The__Sun - Dreamweaver Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Bahahahaha, this cracked me up, big time, but i seriously have a problem with people who pick the flag no-matter what they're gear is ._.

    In a 20v20 and a seeker with TT80 Gear picks the flag you know you are so ****ed, it is such a pain in the butt 'xD

    There have been so many times I wish i could kill people in the same nation as me >.>'

    If you are a psychic you can "Ice" your teammates (the morai skills that puts the target into an ice block and give them immunity) and then dig the flag yourself

    ...... not that I ever did that b:laugh
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  • Zheii - Archosaur
    Zheii - Archosaur Posts: 2,732 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    If you are a psychic you can "Ice" your teammates (the morai skills that puts the target into an ice block and give them immunity) and then dig the flag yourself

    ...... not that I ever did that b:laugh

    Hahaha, omg, I would abuse that so much x'D
    So much troll to be had in that one skill >:3
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  • _BIackRose_ - Raging Tide
    _BIackRose_ - Raging Tide Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Hahaha, omg, I would abuse that so much x'D
    So much troll to be had in that one skill >:3

    or expel >.> <.<
  • muzkaikids
    muzkaikids Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    are you actually allowed to log alts in nation war?
  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's a very good greedy **** guide, I approve it.

    The only part where I don't really agree is about the flag.

    Carrying the flag gives some point, I won't lie, but is not that much. How can I say this? Because I carry the flag for my team, and I earn the lest points in my team (qq).

    Even for the cause of being a greedy **** is best to allow someone more apt to carry the flag, unless there is zero enemies. Because as a greedy **** you will want to win as many battle as posible. And if you carry the flag, and then someone kills you, you won't help your "host" to win. This is specially true if a strong party shows up.
  • EllyFire - Dreamweaver
    EllyFire - Dreamweaver Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Forgot to add :

    The first thing you should do when you enter a battle area, is to grab the blessing of the overseer (quest). At low levels you will gain an incredible amount of attack and defense levels but you'll still be about as useful as a hypering in the realm of reflection, but it helps.
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  • trands
    trands Posts: 2
    edited May 2013
    I think it's a bit a pitty that playing good for your nation is so often not in the same interest as yourself. When I play as I should, I often hurry out of fights in order to kill a flag carrier and end up with less points then when I just mindlessly attack everything without caring about actually winning the battle. On top of that, I get the most points when just goofing around in white voodoo, targetting the top players on the other side so they gank me with 5+ in attempts to kill me (probably afraid I change my mind if they ignore me).
    The only part where I don't really agree is about the flag.

    Carrying the flag gives some point, I won't lie, but is not that much. How can I say this? Because I carry the flag for my team, and I earn the lest points in my team (qq).

    It depends a bit on the case. 1 of those freaking fast classes that dig flag and race to the capture point don't give ro much points. Digging a flag just to be a target will lead to a lot of points. Believe me, digging a flag and crawling over the map gives me a lot of points from being ganked. I even tried on an alt, and noticed ppl just spark/debuff/purge without even noticing I was just a level 70 and that they could 1 shot me anyway.
    Forgot to add :

    The first thing you should do when you enter a battle area, is to grab the blessing of the overseer (quest). At low levels you will gain an incredible amount of attack and defense levels but you'll still be about as useful as a hypering in the realm of reflection, but it helps.

    I don't agree on thos point (btw the buff also gives hp). The big difference is the fact that a level 60~99 won't be carrying defense charms, hp charm, high refines and shards. I tried out NW a few times on my level 70 barb, wearing tt70 armor with +1~3 refines and a mix of average/flawless citrines, npc ornaments, dreamchaser pack rings, calamities that has 2 "good" armor pieces (WoCC +6 with 4x vit stone and WoE +6 with 3x vit stone). With a hp charm, the 100+ that weren't +10 actually trouble killing me the moments I didn't get spawnkilled before getting the buff.

    Said differently, someone crazy enough to go with top-gear at low level and using the same aids would be a factor for all those that aren't r999 +10~12. If only they could make that level related buff non-purgable and gained on entering NW, it would help lower levels a lot.