lvl 100 build? thoughts?

i would just go full T3, you lack defense and attack levels...

http://pwcalc.com/e6c178c7444902fb

inserted a cloud stir for the chan you ose from going full HA, exclusive sapphire gems in some piece of armor to balance out, engrave the rings and weapon stats add ons(+19 str-dex-mag) to cover the stats needings

both of you lack damage...b:shutup

http://pwcalc.com/12a089559007468e

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

both of you lack damage...b:shutup

http://pwcalc.com/12a089559007468e

Get 2 sky cover at least so you don't get one shot by Knife Throw. My 2 cents.

manbaby wrote: »

This is a build i was interested in trying, just wondering what your guys thoughts were on it. Try not to hate on it too hard if u dont like it...lol b:surrender:chuckle

http://pwcalc.com/7632f936e7908f07

Ok op, why are you heavy armor?

If you answer is "for no particular reason" then you should follow this build instead:
http://pwcalc.com/d91d4c44514fbc3c (fully buffed, like all the other builds)

Advantages:
-Way more attack power
-Easier build
-You don't lose much physical def, and yet you have more magic defense than a r9.
-Same hp as heavy armor

The build I proposed is a hybrid of vitality and magic. You can make it pure to either side, or put less vit, and more magic, etc.

If you are heavy armor for the physical defense...why do you need so much of it anyway? You are sacrificing your magic defense, and attack power for increase in p defense. Is it worth to sacrifice those 2 stats for only +10% extra p. defense, when you really don't need it?

I hope ur stuff is not bound so you can switch to arcane armor easily.

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

Get 2 sky cover at least so you don't get one shot by Knife Throw. My 2 cents.

refined to +10 they more like 600m... than 2cents... f:sweat

not gonna happen, so i have to deal with being squishy and trashtalking idiots that can kill me easily...
i am not in a hurry, just gonna improve my gears step by step...
also pvp is more fun if you cant tank a half dozen sins apsing...f:cool

right now i am bit cautionous with spending coins, because of the new pet system, we all know what pwi is after...f:worry

http://pwcalc.com/49618f6da13d5375
Go for aps or go back to pure mag build... In full g16 dmg sucks. Heavy+Magic hybrid is useless. With aps build you can over dd r9 venos.

I guess i have to explain...
Your current build:
http://pwcalc.com/7632f936e7908f07
Your Mag attack tickles ha build enemies, Phys attack tickles mag build enemies. And both can kill u easily.
If you go for g16 with your current build:
http://pwcalc.com/02c865fb96c8f320
Same as before.
Full Heavy G16:
http://pwcalc.com/0a702e5810b98e2e
Your dmg still not enough, but melee classes can die on your bramle. Mag classes 1 shot you.

The builds i advise to you:

Aps build:
http://pwcalc.com/95fa6cbe3ef19169
Still good against melee you can even hurt 'em. Still 1 shot againts Mag classes but if you get close to them piece of cake. (And best pve build) With DD pet

Pure Mag build+garnet shards:
http://pwcalc.com/9671ed90fc46f567

And given that you are demon heavy builds are not for you. You need to be sage to perfect a heavy build. I think it cant really work if you want to be good against everything. You have to be weak against some to be strong against other. If im still stupid im sorry this is my opinion.
And for last my current build:
http://pwcalc.com/1f4fc4bc369fa4d9
Lack of dmg and mag classes 1shot me. I'll switch back to pure mag and i'll give the HA gear for my bm.

manbaby wrote: »

is the build i suggested initially really that bad?b:sad

I'm just suggesting what would be more practical, and better for you. Unless it's for the looks, or to be a rebel, there is no point on going heavy armor because to make it good, you have to expend a lot of money, like MistressMuerta. If you don't expend a good amount of money on refines and ornaments, you are gonna be very squishy.

Perhaps with arcane armor you will be squishy too, if you don't have any refines at all, but at least you can do more damage than a heavy armor veno, and you need that damage for some instances like warsong, if you are to defend a pavilion.

Imo, the best build is the arcane build with some vitality points. But you insist on going heavy armor then, get full nv-3 heavy armor and get ornaments that increase ur elemental defense, and refine everything to at least +6.

You know my veno is full Arcane ....but ive always thought about making another veno a Ha veno for the shiits and giggles of it all. But was never sure of built and its really expensive to.

At the moment rrr9 is what i want on my arcane veno...lol. but any tips in case i do make one? Builds and that. im not worried about gear i have HA stuff from bm/seeker etc.

You need a lot of stat adds from helmet, cape and ornaments to make a good HA veno. As such it's hard to be too specific, as a lot of those adds are random.

Haters are going to hate.

Not a single HA venomancer is to match the other melee classes in terms of damage output - we can barely outperform barbs. And so AA venos are outperformed by every other magic class, be it in damage numbers, healing or defensive/tactical skills. In other words, game mechanics favour venomancers as all-rounders. They won't outperform the other classes in a single aspect but they have a bit of every class in them. The only viable way to take advantage of both melee and magic opposites without neglecting one or the other is to build with strength, dexterity and magic - like hybrids - focusing on both APS and channel. As the game itself favours HA over LA and AA upon refining it turns out that HA suits a hybrid best.

Ok, think I'll put my two cents in here since I don't think HA venos are being properly represented or understood.

First of all, demon HA veno isn't a terrible idea. I'm sage but I've looked at demon build quite a few times. You have speed, better spike damage from spark for phys attacks, better recovery from leech, longer amp, evasion reduction (huge against archers and sins, especaily with less acc) and faster cool down for purge. You sacrifice a good chunk of acc and phys defense to do this but if played well it would work.

Key words IF PLAYED WELL. Many of the things on here about HA venos is true, you won't be doing insane phys damage and your mag damage is gimped due to focusing on STR. This means if you play it like a sin or BM, your going to get wrecked every time. It used to be HA venos could run up, tank attacks and cause havoc. Now you have to be able to stick and move. And if you stick well, while fading when the enemy's about to invuln skill you, you can do well. Demon venos are one of the fastest classes in the game, about the same speed as barbs in tiger/panda. If you get away, you can't be caught, plain and simple.

Now, in general, if you want to play an HA veno you need to decide whether to focus on MAG or STR. I personally recommend STR, especially if you intend to stay in fox (and why wouldn't you? its the biggest upside of being an HA veno) and try and get it above 300. My current damage in fox is 7-10k, with +7 S3 sword and w/o any adds from runes or buffs. Is it a lot of damage? No, but as mentioned damage is not the focus of an HA veno, if you want to do a lot of damage do arcane. I wether a lot of damage in NW, I havn't been 1 shot by an archer in a very long time, and my primary roll is shutting opponents down, something I do very well. Stunning Blow + Bewitch + Purge + Amp + Venom + Fossil Curse will usually see at least a 3-5k hit against a well geared AA opponent or a 2-3k hit against a Heavy while shutting them down for at least 10 sec. They can break the freeze, or the seal, but I've yet to see them break both. By the time they break out I've already done another 2-3k damage (3-6 if arcane) and they usually start running away or apothing up for a back and forth (remember I said you have to know when to run away as well) in which you can either use your speed to run them down, duke it out if you have the skills ready, or run away if help has arrived for them. Your def and stun immunes will usually see you out of it even if the archers are shooting at you. Of course against R999 JOSDs +10/12 its a different story damage wise but the shut downs still work.

Another aspect damage wise I haven't seen mentioned is pets. In pvp, pets are now a joke, but when the game was created pet damage was factored into the venos overall damage equation so that venos (especially fox venos) were gimped to factor it in. These days pets do almost no damage in pvp. My wolf does double digits against R9 and S3 opponents and dino only does slightly better. They are still useful for their debuffs, curses, and stuns, but the lack of damage is a significant factor hurting all venos. Need I mention how archers like to use them for target practice :P. I'm hoping the new pet system fixes this, and if its true pet ability will be based on stats I'm wondering how HA stats will factor in.

As far as your APS build I don't recommend it. HA venos primary focus is on def, support, and evasion (stun/freeze break and speed wise, not actual evasion stat). The higher you get your defense and HP the better you will be able to support your allies, the more damage you can take and the more you can do in return due to bramble/hood/barrier. You'll be weak against magic but so what? When you have a sin a BM and a barb all whacking you at the same time and you get off a rainbow and a crush while one of them kills themselves on bramble before you run away, you'll find out just how much fun you can have with it :P

^^; hi i know every one is giving u allot of ideas, but here is a very cheep build that any one can do and ( dont need to wast too much RL Money) : ) http://pwcalc.com/f1a236ec00eaebe9 it may not be the Best one ever, but in the end it's workable hope u like it

O BTW : make sure Ur lv 101

on the day that u change the points

1) get your accessory put on first

2) Need 2 rings to add (+17) strength at the date of doing it (AH some times have random cheep crazy +strength rings on there keep an eye out for it , i just saw one that had plus 4,5, and 7 lol) ( or like me borrow a Love up and down Tome and use 2 Band from heaven's jail = 14 points of strength)

3) Feel free to change up the rings after u put on ur gear : ) get some fancy ring if u like : )

4) U can also make HA G16 pants / wrists if u want to switch things up, but u do loose some channeling