updated priority skills?

yamabear
yamabear Posts: 0 Arc User
edited April 2013 in Archer
so i see these guides are all pre2011.... n so much has changed... do we still follow the skill

paths of these guides or has the skill priority changed? i read frost arrow is **** but then read

max it.... can some1 give me a run down on what i need to get in skills for starting.



i know ill eventually max n add to where i please but starting out i wanna know which i should make priority

thank you
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  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Take aim and quickshot: level 1 till 80s

    Frost arrow: I maxed it for the slow

    Metal skills: level 5 at most till 80s

    Winged shell: level 5; I maxed it though

    DoT arrows: level 1

    Stormrage Eagaleon: don't even have to learn it to progress down skill tree. Keep it level 0.

    Wingspan: max

    Knockback: level 1 is all you need

    evasion buff level 1

    stunning max

    Aim low level 5 till 80s

    deadly shot level 1

    BoA level 1 till 80s.

    max blazing and bow mastery

    Essentially:

    level metal skills a little bit, level frost arrow and winged shell if you want, max wingspan and stunning, blazing and mastery max, and you're set

    in pve autoattack is king

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  • yamabear
    yamabear Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    ok cool but why keep evasion buff at lvl 1? i would of thought max it....

    and deadly shot why keeping this lvl1? wouldnt this be an opening shot out of stealth then stun so on so on
  • wushih14
    wushih14 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    When you hit your mid-90's, you'll have so much spare Spirit that you'll even wonder where else can you spend those after learning all your skills to Lv.10.b:shocked
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  • brisingraz
    brisingraz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    yamabear wrote: »
    so i see these guides are all pre2011.... n so much has changed... do we still follow the skill

    paths of these guides or has the skill priority changed? i read frost arrow is **** but then read

    max it.... can some1 give me a run down on what i need to get in skills for starting.



    i know ill eventually max n add to where i please but starting out i wanna know which i should make priority

    thank you

    I found frost arrow really good before you can max stunning arrow (which is at lvl 75) but now that people power lvl their chars from lvl 1-85ish they haven't seen the use in frost arrow and say it's useless. but like what others are saying base buffs (winged blessing, blazing arrow, bow mastery) and stunning arrow is pretty much the only skill you use in PVE (non cave instances/ single mob killing only) except when you get demon/sage quick shot. for 85+ in FC you kinda need at least lvl 5 Boa and lvl 10 Sharpened tooth arrow(don't use this skill on the boss's you hyper reduces xp apparently) lvl 5-7ish thunderous blast and lv 5-7ish wingspan (good for getting mobs away from you if you get to much agro). wings of protection is a pretty over rated skill as it gets over riddin to easy but still can be handy just lvl it when you have extra sp. same goes with winged shell, this skill can be handy but high chi cost means i only really use it when aboss's is attcking me and i'm trying to lose agro.

    So when mob killing just use stunning arrow/ sage/demon quickshot (if you have it) then auto shot, if mob come to close knock back arrow then continue auto shooting.

    for caves try to use STA (sharpened tooth arrow) on non xp boss's and Boa/thunderous blast for pulls. Only use wingspan if you get to much agro, this is because it knocks backs the mobs and generally gets meele class's angry.

    Don't bother about lvling deadly shot and take aim. The amount of auto shots you could release in that time does more dmge. and when in stealth its better to start with a stunning arrow so they have no time to prepare to use counter skills, stunning arrow followed by QS (quick shot) is generally the best method). although i have found stealth to be a more defensive skill (to hide from OP non sin class's that are chasing you) then an offensive skill as you can't move in stealth and you have to wait to they run up to you.

    Yeah, hope that helps.
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    To answer above question, endgame take aim is a beast due to the 300/400% wep damage, which almost equates it to the damage done by earthen rift, but using a ranged weapon with much greater base attack (but no CotD :<). No, it's not useless; as an opener with a decent weapon you can oneshot mobs. Deadly shot is a waste of valuable coin.

    I still use frost arrow because my sage FA is 135 mana vs. stunning level 10 225 mana, and because FA CDs so fast.

    Evasion buff is to be level 1 to get chi with; more and it's a waste of MP pots

    max BoA for FC; the faster the mobs drop the safer you are. Carry expell/AD because with no seeker/BM aggro is not going to stay off you for more than 1 or 2 ticks.
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  • Troll_demon - Harshlands
    Troll_demon - Harshlands Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    fire arrow max level 11 demon
    bow mastery level 11 demon
    winged blessing level 11 demon
    demon spark
    frenzy level 10
    tangling mire level 10
    cloud eruption level 1
    extreme poison level 10
    galvantic charge level 1
    everything else level 0
  • Jarkhen - Archosaur
    Jarkhen - Archosaur Posts: 990 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Troll_demon - Harshlands wrote: »
    fire arrow max level 11 demon
    bow mastery level 11 demon
    winged blessing level 11 demon
    demon spark
    frenzy level 10
    tangling mire level 10
    cloud eruption level 1
    extreme poison level 10
    galvantic charge level 1
    everything else level 0

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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I, personally, never use frost arrow. I am demon, so mine doesn't get any magical damage. I also never use deadly shot, as most archers don't, simply because take aim is better in ever sense. If you're in stealth and want to ninja with one skill, QS or stunning arrow is probably better.
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Things haven't changed too terribly much, skill wise. Of course you have your... *cough* "spirited" debates on Sage vs. Demon, but beyond that, the value of most skills has reached community consensus.

    For basic PVE purposes, I'd break it down this way:

    Top Priority: Stun, Bow Mastery, Winged Blessing, Take Aim, Blazing
    Mid Priority: Frost, Sharptooth, Aim Low, and the three basic metal skills
    Low Priority: Wingspan/Pledge, Winged Shell, Barrage

    Deadly, Vicious, Serrated and Stormrage all occupy the "most people consider this a joke" tier. But unlike some people, I would suggest you get at least Lv1 of anything and everything, if only to make your own judgement on how useful it is. The recent buff on DoT skills made Vicious and Serrated slightly more useful, but not by much. IMO Stormrage is worth leveling if you get with the Sage version, though.

    Quickshot is a special case - I found it useful at low levels, but when it tapered off after 60 I switched to Take Aim. These days both cultis are great for Quickshot, so you'll probably want to max it eventually either way.
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  • Jarkhen - Archosaur
    Jarkhen - Archosaur Posts: 990 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I find Deadly Shot to be rather nice in a ZTP macro against exceptionally tanky arcanes, since Take Aim can't be used there, but that's not a situation I find myself in very often.

    Other than that, the skill is useless.
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  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    QS is honestly not that damage efficient. It can be used to charm bypass in pvp and in pve you can oneshot a mob with it by QS glitching (can you call it a glitch?) the double hit

    Well I do on my OHT daily mobs (8X) with a +5 morai slingshot

    Sage stormrage seems okay, but the about 2mil, maybe 2 and a half, of average damage for 2 sparks is so meh; my morai slingshot can put out more than that in pve with 2X spark. Effect wise, trip spark BV is a hell lot better and a BM GSing is always the better option, because lol demon GS b:cry

    EDIT: sometimes I use the DoT shots to imitate QS double hit (they work) because I get bored with QS's animation. I've seen it SO MUCH

    another thing though, take aim can be instantcast for +15 chi, and instantcast after any skill to deal damage almost faster than autos at a lower aps
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  • Jarkhen - Archosaur
    Jarkhen - Archosaur Posts: 990 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    QS is honestly not that damage efficient.

    I hope you're referring to non-lv11 QS, because saying sage or demon quickshot isn't efficient is a joke.
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »
    I hope you're referring to non-lv11 QS, because saying sage or demon quickshot isn't efficient is a joke.

    You're a joke.
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »
    I hope you're referring to non-lv11 QS, because saying sage or demon quickshot isn't efficient is a joke.

    Pretty sure it was a reference to pre-11. S/he was referring to cast time/mana use. At least, I think so?
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    You're a joke.

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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Sage stormrage seems okay, but the about 2mil, maybe 2 and a half, of average damage for 2 sparks is so meh; my morai slingshot can put out more than that in pve with 2X spark. Effect wise, trip spark BV is a hell lot better and a BM GSing is always the better option, because lol demon GS b:cry
    Sage Stormrage is a hell of a lot more accessible than BV, though... owing to its status as the junk book in the PoF random clip. I haven't even gotten around to learning BV yet, though it's probably next on my list (or Awaken... haven't decided yet).

    I'd definitely advise the OP to learn all the Morai order skills, though. :P
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  • Banndit - Heavens Tear
    Banndit - Heavens Tear Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I demon frost arrow resently xD

    On its on its kinda useless but take into account of other things, its not completely useless. Against flag carriers, it helps you find out if they are using anit stun/stuntlock. Against some, you can delay playing all your cards which means you can save your stunt/stunlock for use at a later/better time. I've learned from nw not to use everything at the start in some cases, therefore have better control of the fights.
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Banndit - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I demon frost arrow resently xD

    On its on its kinda useless but take into account of other things, its not completely useless. Against flag carriers, it helps you find out if they are using anit stun/stuntlock. Against some, you can delay playing all your cards which means you can save your stunt/stunlock for use at a later/better time. I've learned from nw not to use everything at the start in some cases, therefore have better control of the fights.

    You can also just look at the buffs they have on to see if they have an anti-stun up. I'd rather do that then waste the chi. I use Take Aim more as a way to get people to waste fortify/badge anyway since, from a distance, it looks a bit like you're channeling stunning arrow.
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  • Banndit - Heavens Tear
    Banndit - Heavens Tear Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You can also just look at the buffs they have on to see if they have an anti-stun up. I'd rather do that then waste the chi. I use Take Aim more as a way to get people to waste fortify/badge anyway since, from a distance, it looks a bit like you're channeling stunning arrow.

    Haven't noticed the buff yet. Will ss next time. :P
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
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    edited April 2013
    Banndit - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Haven't noticed the buff yet. Will ss next time. :P

    It's taken care of for you. 11th row from the top.
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  • Banndit - Heavens Tear
    Banndit - Heavens Tear Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    It's take care of for you. 11th row from the top.

    I see, same buff b:laugh

    Possibly part of the mistake was due to the fact that the stuns miss 10% of the time and I was looking for something that wasn't there when they miss. Not the easiest mistake to make but in the middle of the excitement while running after the flag carrier, it can be. Another mistake was due to the fact I didn't double check. b:laugh
  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    For basic PVE purposes, I'd break it down this way:

    Top Priority: Stun, Bow Mastery, Winged Blessing, Take Aim, Blazing
    Mid Priority: Frost, Sharptooth, Aim Low, and the three basic metal skills
    Low Priority: Wingspan/Pledge, Winged Shell, Barrage

    Deadly, Vicious, Serrated and Stormrage all occupy the "most people consider this a joke" tier. But unlike some people, I would suggest you get at least Lv1 of anything and everything, if only to make your own judgement on how useful it is. The recent buff on DoT skills made Vicious and Serrated slightly more useful, but not by much. IMO Stormrage is worth leveling if you get with the Sage version, though.

    Pretty good priority list here. It is possible that STA could be moved into Top Priority tier just for its use as a debuff in squads. It used to be the main reason archers were wanted in squads, but people don't really care as much anymore since everyone and their mom and their mom's friends have a pair of deicides.


    Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Sage stormrage seems okay

    another thing though, take aim can be instantcast for +15 chi

    Sage Stormrage is a great debuff for how long it lasts. Chi isn't really any issue at all as an archer, especially if you factor in Awaken, Cloud Eruption or Chi pots.

    There is no reason to choose BV over Sage Stormrage when you can have both.
    BV+SE+Awaken+3spark(+Frenzy+EP) is a go to PvE boss combo.

    Its kind of strange that sage archer's never enjoyed the squad want that (sage) venos get due to being excellent debuffers.


    And that take aim comment is just worth quoting. Cycling insta-take aim and QS (+sage LS) gains chi in a hurry.
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