Dear people asking for specific class for bh.

I've thought of making a how-to guide for doing... everything barbless or even clericless. The problem is some of this takes either A. gear, or B. skill. Not everyone has those. A quick rundown:

Most LA classes can pull a Delta 2 with 6.5k hp. Casters it's a little more dependant on killing mobs before they reach you. I've seen a 5.5k psy tank just fine because after Earth Vector 6 seconds of stun by the time the mobs reach you there should be only a few mobs left and the rest magic mobs. Throw in a BM and you can extend that stun time to 12 seconds.

Point is most classes 7k or higher can tank a Delta 2 if they tried.

One of the funniest Delta's I ever did was me grouping and stunning the mobs at spawnpoint then HFing for an archer. When the stun wore off I used Bolt of Tyreseus to freeze them in place out of range of the archer. He "tanked" although the mobs never reached him. I was in physical range but he had aggro so they weren't attacking me. We laughed because a Delta 3 had something like 7.5k repair bill for me and 6k for him and almost nothing for the rest of the squad.

For Aba many squads are going back to aps-only. It's much easier to kill the boss in 30 seconds before he buffs, you just need the person who takes the first punch to AD while other use Subsea/EP/Tangling Mire. My Sin and BM can each almost solo him in the 30 second time limit so really you just need 2 good DD's and can have 4 whatevers in the squad.

Seat is a little harder. One of the big problems is people neglecting their ornament refines, having +8 armor and 12k hp... with +3 necklace and belt so they drop as fast as a 9k hp BM but have more that needs healing. All boss attacks are physical, so bring phys ornies. If you have a BM or Seeker that uses magic ornies and a sin on the same account with tt99 HA ornies then grab those for the boss. Having a demon BM in squad really helps because he can +150% defense with bell. With this method even LAs and well geared AAs can tank. Seat boss has consistent damage that never really spike (the damage rate recieved in the first 15 seconds will be the same damage rate after 5 minutes) and the only real spike you receive are if bb drops. This can be avoided by keeping the boss at max distance.

I do agree, if the skill/gear is just right no one really "NEEDS" a specific class for ANYTHING, albeit there is a plethora of things to consider when thinking about doing something barbless/clericless, but still 9 times out of 10 if someone says they'll be fine then they often will be.

I do hate that word 'NEED'.. its definitely more of a want.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I don't understand people wasting their time and teles to ask for a specific class for 10 minutes while they could save teles and time by taking any class.

I do understand asking a specific class, but 10 min is exagerated. Often, specific class is for specific buffs. At that point, it would be easier to just ask a friend to buff and take another class. Same happens with seekers asking for sins in squad. Not that they really care about the sin, but they just like bp.

I do understand asking for a specific role for 10 min. If your squad has nobody to tank, there is no use in going. For me, those roles would be "tank", "healer" and "DD". Grats on your squad, but I'm sure there is some gear behind it.

I do not understand asking for several minutes for something the squad already has, simply because the leader is narrowminded. I see it a lot. A psychic is usually not a class expected to tank, but on my psychic I can tank all bh easily for gear reasons. All it takes is to hoover over the hp of each squad member and ask if they can. In random squads, they just keep spamming wc and don't even ask. (I learned not to tell out of myself that I can tank, that only gives bad reactions. b:laugh) But seriously, if there is any class with 10k+ hp in squad or if you simply recognise a r999 weapon, ask first if they can tank the bh before spamming wc.

It reminds me of the time in my Cleric's faction somebody was making a Delta St3 squad. They already had a Cleric and had last spot for DD so I asked them to come along. They rejected me at first because they wanted a "real DD" or something along the lines; I didn't paid much attention really. I was expecting that.

Eventually, said person decided to take me along and I ended up tanking the majority of the waves, if not all. I was in VD mode and just AOEing and attacking as much as I could and kept stealing aggro off everyone else.

There were similar cases with my Venomancer when I offered to tank the waves or when someone was a bit too skeptical to drag me along because Venomancers "can't DD" and yet I was the one to steal aggro off every wave.

I'm talking about average squads here even. I won't even go into OP squads; we don't even need a Cleric for those.

Overall, however, I have to agree with some of the other posters; some people lack the skill or gear to do these in uncommon ways but if the squad is that bad maybe they shouldn't be trying to do spawn point delta. I've been to that kind of squads too..b:surrender

<- tanks full delta on spawn with my wizzard - still gets rejected for delta 2 in world chat or asked to bring my barb, its always been that way, APS vana not wanting casters, caster vana not wanting archers, bh abba wanting only sins, bh seat not wanting any sins, human nature, why fight it when you can't win.

Rajevon - Harshlands wrote: »

yah true thing..

gv is not hard like old days with new gears too..

once i did 3rd wave with 5 sins and a seeker (me) lol b:laugh

You gotta remember raje, the majority of the server doesn;t cs therefore doesn;t have the gear and refines to back up the damage they put out aka wizzies in DB and psy's.......my psy takes agro off your seek in every GV run b:chuckle and tbh, i love myself a good DG, the dmg is smexy add that with an SS on the boss b:dirty b:victory it's amazing b:pleased

I still feel sad for people that have problems with w3. Dunno what happened, but when i started playng perfect world first, i've seen people doing full delta with such crazy squads like barb+cler+4 venos. And that's at the time when tt99 gears were god-tier,were no fishies etc. And if I remember right, not even all of these venos were 100+. So yeah, i guess at least w3 is finishable with almost any squad, but people are just lazy now(well, I'm kinda lazy too lol b:surrender )