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I realize this can be a bit of a grey area, as even I would recommend my class for very specific places, but in others (like nw) I would say AVOID like the plague.
If the game was still active, but we still had nw, and all other intances like they are now, would you recommend your class to a friend coming in?
After all my recent experiences on this bm I wouldnt, at least definitely not for pvp, there is just too many frustrations on my bm to even want to play it in pvp specifically nw. Every where else I absolutely love it.
before you tell me to leatn my class or to use marrows, read this.
I can take the exact same gear I have on my bm, and put it on my barb or seeker, and survive 10x longer in mass pvp. (nw to be slightly more specific) Seekers have their ranged attacks, as well as their def levels, which both work really well in mass pvp, barbs have their badass shields to protect themselves from a mass amount of attacks, and as for sins, they at least have their stealth, focused mind, haxed dexterity which makes many melee attacks miss, they even have their deaden nerves. Blademasters do indeed have their marrows, but they are a complete and utter joke for mass pvp, why? You may ask. Simple with the facts I listed above along with the arguably nasty side effects of marrows, bm's are in for a world of pain from all three attacks of the weapon triangle. (Ranged, Melee, and Mage) Sad thing is that mages are still hitting ridicolously hard, while the melee people get their damaged increased thanks to the bms desicion to try to protect itself from the much more powerful attacks of a mage. What other class HAS to deal, with both melee attack and mage attcks pretty much no MATTER how they play, a bm's ranged attacks are a joke, as is stunlocking people these days, so MANY ways to avoid a stunlock. (EASILY)
Granted that is all earlyish end game, it is still extremely insanly frustrating feeling like I have to go to insanely astronomical extraordinary lengths to prepare my bm to survive in nw... whereas it really doesn't seem to be the case for my barb, seeker, or even my assassin.
Anyways feel free to discuss why YOU would recomend your MAIN character's class to a new friend coming in... (if of course it was more.... worth it for new people to come in.)
If the game was still active, but we still had nw, and all other intances like they are now, would you recommend your class to a friend coming in?
After all my recent experiences on this bm I wouldnt, at least definitely not for pvp, there is just too many frustrations on my bm to even want to play it in pvp specifically nw. Every where else I absolutely love it.
before you tell me to leatn my class or to use marrows, read this.
I can take the exact same gear I have on my bm, and put it on my barb or seeker, and survive 10x longer in mass pvp. (nw to be slightly more specific) Seekers have their ranged attacks, as well as their def levels, which both work really well in mass pvp, barbs have their badass shields to protect themselves from a mass amount of attacks, and as for sins, they at least have their stealth, focused mind, haxed dexterity which makes many melee attacks miss, they even have their deaden nerves. Blademasters do indeed have their marrows, but they are a complete and utter joke for mass pvp, why? You may ask. Simple with the facts I listed above along with the arguably nasty side effects of marrows, bm's are in for a world of pain from all three attacks of the weapon triangle. (Ranged, Melee, and Mage) Sad thing is that mages are still hitting ridicolously hard, while the melee people get their damaged increased thanks to the bms desicion to try to protect itself from the much more powerful attacks of a mage. What other class HAS to deal, with both melee attack and mage attcks pretty much no MATTER how they play, a bm's ranged attacks are a joke, as is stunlocking people these days, so MANY ways to avoid a stunlock. (EASILY)
Granted that is all earlyish end game, it is still extremely insanly frustrating feeling like I have to go to insanely astronomical extraordinary lengths to prepare my bm to survive in nw... whereas it really doesn't seem to be the case for my barb, seeker, or even my assassin.
Anyways feel free to discuss why YOU would recomend your MAIN character's class to a new friend coming in... (if of course it was more.... worth it for new people to come in.)
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My main is a psychic, and I love the class. So I voted the "Yes absolutely" cause it was the most suited option. However, like you said :Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »I realize this can be a bit of a grey area, as even I would recommend my class for very specific places, but in others (like nw) I would say AVOID like the plague.
Sometimes I wish I were another class (mainly some times in NW I'd like to be a seeker/barb, but that's just every once in a while when I'm forced to grab that flag and crawl to the other side of the map b:surrender). Some stuff is better done with other classes. Also, different poeple, different styles and expectations. No matter how much I like my class, I wouldn't recommand it to a friend who's obviously not suited/into magic classes. Same for players aiming for a specific goal that doesn't match the strong points of a psychic.
Overall, I think that kind of recommandation should be calced on the askers expectations and not merely on the liking of your own class. I do like my class and will advocate the strong points when asked, but I will give the weak ones also. My choice isn't someone else's hapiness.0 -
My main is a psychic, and I love the class. So I voted the "Yes absolutely" cause it was the most suited option. However, like you said :
Sometimes I wish I were another class (mainly some times in NW I'd like to be a seeker/barb, but that's just every once in a while when I'm forced to grab that flag and crawl to the other side of the map b:surrender). Some stuff is better done with other classes. Also, different poeple, different styles and expectations. No matter how much I like my class, I wouldn't recommand it to a friend who's obviously not suited/into magic classes. Same for players aiming for a specific goal that doesn't match the strong points of a psychic.
Overall, I think that kind of recommandation should be calced on the askers expectations and not merely on the liking of your own class. I do like my class and will advocate the strong points when asked, but I will give the weak ones also. My choice isn't someone else's hapiness.
^^ agreed on the last part every bit of it in fact, but yea I guess it was more if they asked you for a recomendation.
As for me it isnt just a sometimes for nw, its every SINGLE time I am on for nw, and i am on my bm... I regret choosing to be on the bm for nw. (I dont even have my aps gear on for nw on my bm, and yet despite its defenses, and my hp being rather high, I still get owned left and right with quit e abit amound of ease when others see me. (12.7k-13.5k hp fully buffed, with 19kish phys def, and like 5kish mage res, both end up around 9kish with magic marrow up, so yea that alone is enough for me to say no to the recomendation of being a bm for pvp, especially if you can't afford to get r9r3 rather fast.Ah, Mistakes are so easily made. ~ laura resnick
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Yes and no.
I play mystic and they are really nice to play and to level and very versatile, but since they are complex they can be hard for some people to learn.
I would recommend it to people that like challenging things, cause mystic have a lot of things they can do, you need to learn the DD side, the healing side, the summon pets side, the summon plants side...etc mystic are a challenge to learn, they can play a lot of roles, from DD to support to main healer.
I would not recommend it for people that just like to sit there and play with macros and auto-attack.
Some people complain they don't get squad easy on mystic, while other people don't have trouble to find it or they will just make their own squad. So I would recommend it to someone that have some leadership and is not scare to form a squad by himself.
I never got trouble to get into a squad, but I don't wait people to specifically ask for a mystic, if I see someone world chat asking for DD and asking for psy/wizz/archer then I'll take the chance and pm mystic and generally 9 times on 10 I get take. If I'm on the 1 time on 10 that I don't get take I form my squad and that's all.
Mystic is a class for people that won't stay in their corner to wait someone to ask them to come, if someone want to play a ''easy'' class without need to make squad or ''fight'' then make a cleric.
On mystic better you are more you will get opportunity, if you can play mystic at his max potential you will have more open doors. If example you can solo heal a instance, then you will get more squad opportunity vs the mystic that can't solo heal, that depend how fast you learn your class and on how you wanna play it, some mystic just don't want to solo heal and it's fine, with mystic you can play the role you want. If you don't want to solo heal you just tell people you are not comfortable to play as main healer, yes it will cut you opportunity, but in that case you can just act as a leader and form squad yourself.
I love mystic, it's my 4th class I play, I started as veno, then played cleric, then wizz and finally tried mystic, I do regret I didn't played earlier, even though they wasn't existing when I was playing veno and cleric and my cleric experience was really a good think to help me as mystic solo healer.
It really depend on what people like to play.
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Nope. Stay away from BMs. They're horrible man.0
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Why so much hate on bm's? I play mine every time in NW and the only problem I have is going up against high gear casters, other thn that its quite simple and fun. Bm's are meant to be strategical geniuses, maybe ur the ones that can't play the toon
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Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »^^ agreed on the last part every bit of it in fact, but yea I guess it was more if they asked you for a recomendation.
As for me it isnt just a sometimes for nw, its every SINGLE time I am on for nw, and i am on my bm... I regret choosing to be on the bm for nw. (I dont even have my aps gear on for nw on my bm, and yet despite its defenses, and my hp being rather high, I still get owned left and right with quit e abit amound of ease when others see me. (12.7k-13.5k hp fully buffed, with 19kish phys def, and like 5kish mage res, both end up around 9kish with magic marrow up, so yea that alone is enough for me to say no to the recomendation of being a bm for pvp, especially if you can't afford to get r9r3 rather fast.
Yeah, I noticed it was more about being dissapointed about how the abilities of your class turned out (in the general evolution of things) rather then just recommanding your own class. Hence my option chosen on the poll.
I kinda understand your problem. As for a psychic in NW, I like the class. I won't get as many points as my roughly equal geared seeker friend, even if we duo and are in the same battlefields. But I get a lot of fun. The problem you point out is mainly the gear. I have a lot of more fun now with 14k+ hp unbuffed and puri weapon then I had before when being a 1 shot for the +10ed weap players.Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »Some people complain they don't get squad easy on mystic, while other people don't have trouble to find it or they will just make their own squad. So I would recommend it to someone that have some leadership and is not scare to form a squad by himself.
b:surrender I'm guilthy for not inviting random mystics. I do squad a lot with mystic faction mates and friends, but tend not to invite randoms. Mainly since I have had problems with the attitude of mystics. Just my bad luck or the class attracts those "I'm amazing but you're to dumb to realise it"-players, I don't dare to say.
Now you can boo at me for being mean and classist, but that is the truth behind me avoiding random mystics b:avoid0 -
Why so much hate on bm's? I play mine every time in NW and the only problem I have is going up against high gear casters, other thn that its quite simple and fun. Bm's are meant to be strategical geniuses, maybe ur the ones that can't play the toon
Don't make such an idiotic assumption, I fully know my class well, and I play it just fine for any instance BUT nw. (it may still get pwnt in tw, but in tw we arent all competeing for tokens) I realize that sentence as well as this may be interpreted as me just trying to boost my epeen, but meh I do know i get many compliments about how much better I play my bm than most other bms on this server, same goes for each one of my 100+ classes I have been on. (hell I even got a compliment on how I played my cleric. (which is only 92 atm, been too stubborn to level it.)
The point is, I do know how to play my class, there is indeed more to consider than just the damn skill of the person playing the character, even early end game gear is still getting me owned on the bm, which that alone is extremely frustrating. Of coure the bm is going to get strong/more survability the higher their gear gets, but still when you can take the EXACT same gear and put it on a seeker, barb or even go on a sin (with similair gear/refines) and do 10x better than you.. err I do on a/my bm... of course there is going to be disgust about how poorly the bm is doing. (I shouldnt have to go 10 extra miles out of my way to prepare my bm so differently just for it to survive a little in nw.
EDIT: Do NOT get me wrong I know that not every skill you would use in pve is transferable and pwnage in pvp; (As well as the fact that 'just because your good in pve it doesnt mean your good in pvp) however, its so hard to ascertain if someone just sucks in pvp, or if it is their gear... ESPECIALLY when you can take the EXACT same gear from one class (bms in this case), no charms, little to no apo, etc, and survive 10x better on a barb or even a seeker.
That even may be the case for certain la/aa classes but really what other class, has to deal with the melee attacks of the person they're trying to kill as well as attacks from ranged and/or mage people, EVERY single time they attack, or pretty much every single time. (sins can often just stealth, and wait until they are alone/surrounded by others which make it so much easier in my opinion to avoid being attacked by a million people. (hyperbole.. the million bit)Ah, Mistakes are so easily made. ~ laura resnick
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I can turn into a fox c:
No really, that was the only reason I picked a veno when I started out. Foxes ftw!
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As a barb for a main class when you are starting as a new comer nowadays is a bad idea IMHO, they would not know what to sell to other players and DQ rate to NPC costs 1 coin per DQ.
Most classes that are new have a huge disadvantage with the DQ rate and if new comers don't manage to sell other items to other players to make coin then they won't be able to get skills/gear and so on.
Venoes and mystics are more likely recommended as they don't even need to do anything from the low levels and let their pets/summons do all the work until mid levels (but then again that is not good either that would make them rely on summons and pets but that is the only way to save coin)This game is fail-proof unless you are dumber than a donkey. ...Too bad a lot of players fall into that exact category. ~maocchi
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Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »I realize this can be a bit of a grey area, as even I would recommend my class for very specific places, but in others (like nw) I would say AVOID like the plague.
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I would recommend any class for newcomer to play during starting levels. While mobs don't attack players and all classes can kill them using wooden sword does not matter what is class of the player.
For high levels though I will recommend Cash Shopper class, which has possibility to buy items from Cash Shop.
I had quoted it from the other thread, but you can understand why.Flamespirit - Dreamweaver wrote: »This is not limited to delta. I have done delta wave 2 just fine with 5 sins and a cleric. I'm all r93 +10-11 so frankly I don't even need anyone else except to open for wave 2 if I'm charmed. Ohterwise it is nice to have some ih or bb.
I have such a hard time getting invites to random squads with my wizzy (r9 sin has none) for bh aba,sot, and snake. I have several times gotten into one and then the leader just keeps on spamming wc for a sin or barb while I am busy clearing away. So tip to those peeps- when a 17+k wizzy joins, you don't need to keep looking for a tank lol. Heck I do even keep agro from most of the apsers unless they are they +12 variety.
I think the general population hasn't let it sink in and haven't experienced just how op the new r93 is when you are all +10 or higher. Regular pve is a joke.0
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