Return of Hypers in Frost

The assumption that ALL people leveling through frost just buy it is wrong. Before it shut down I did 7 or 8 full frosts on my cleric. Believe it or not you actually are forced to learn your toon more if you're not just going in for mobs. Just going in for mobs would actually be a closer parallel to a PV than it is to doing a full FCC.

The difference between frost and PV though is you can just do PV once a day at lower levels, with maybe a little bonus if you resquad after like 10 minutes to get the first half again. Also, since PV just offers lots of physical mobs to aoe and then a fairly basic boss (and maybe a seal or a freeze) it doesn't force you to deal with the variety that a full FCC does.

MechSin - Sanctuary wrote: »

It is the people that are finished leveling their characters that want fcc to stay the same as it was this past week, and the ones who are not finished want hypering back so they can level without getting gear right away.
I like fcc so i do not want it to be destroyed and I do not feel like relying on others to help me level, such as making squads. Also i only have arcane characters left to level, so i cant solo pv.
I am well aware of the ways to level in this game but it seems like without fcc you have to be with other people to help you (unless you are a good class to solo), or it is slow leveling.

First. It is absolutely NOT just the people that are "done leveling their characters" that want fc hyper-disabled. I have PLENTY of characters to still level b:cry Getting fc to become hyper-disabled or at least level capped is to promote the future of PWI itself. THAT is the main concern.

Second. The reason WHY you can not find squads so easily, and thus, why needing to squad is such an abomination... is due to fc hyper powerleveling to begin with... Get rid of fc hyper powerleveling and wow... Squads become readily available... if you seriously can not squad with people in an MMO... play a non-internet console game... seriously...

Whats a "good class to solo"? I can solo on any class personally... and I have multiple characters of pretty much every class... Casters have a certain way to play them which varies slightly with caster-classes... Melee characters have it the roughest solo'ing most of the time... especially against ranged enemies, but can most certainly do it with ease if one learns to simply position themselves properly... this game is no different than any other of the handful+ mmo's ive played for well over a decade, actually coming in on two decades in a few years...

DEATH TO FC HYPER POWERLEVELING!!!! b:angry

Jacerai - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I will, Kerius. I've got a few alts I'm playing through quests with (quite a few, actually). If I spy you on the world map, I'll shoot a PM (only two of my toons even remotely sound like Jace).

I probably have a worse problem with alts. None of my characters' names match at all.

Just try PMs to me at random times and see if I answer.

Kitkate - Dreamweaver wrote: »

-Raises hand- ME!
I think i got a barb around that level. I've been working on my wizard lately and haven't played him for a while.

Bring it on! b:victory

LuciusVorenu - Lost City wrote: »

1-Why are you gettin upset?

Most of all because i just get upset anytime when people are trying to push their will onto others. They dont want to powerlevel so they think others shouldnt. This is an aspect of humans i thoroughly hate.
Then, there are even nutcases who are advocating a lvl 85+ limit while i think it is one of the most beautifull instances to play and i want to play it when im around 80, maybe as low as lvl 75 as well. That is actually where you learn to play your character.
Also because i do level toons for all kind of reasons i deem legit ( i want a demon after my sage, i want some buffing characters) and i dont want that to be made more anoying (mostly because i will have huge lines at the pits where i normally zhen my chars with my solozhenner seeker so that i dont need anyone else) And even if the reasons are different, that does not matter. I know i will learn to play my character before i bother squads with my presence and i know some people will never learn to play if there is power leveling or not. And even that does not really matter in the light of the first reason i gave. Just stop pushing your will onto others please.

LuciusVorenu - Lost City wrote: »

2-Why you still talking? b:puzzled

because i am traveling, dont have a game client and not much else to do than just spam the forums

Of course, everyone does powerleveling. Or at least the very vast majority does. Find someone who thinks its is fun doing all the 100s of kill 50 of this, kill 50 of that quets for the 8th time.

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

From levels 1-79, the number of kills has been greatly reduced. All the drop quests that you used to have to grind hundreds of mobs to get the drops for are gone now as well. Drop quest items are now all 100% drop rate. So you get a quest to get 10 drops instead of the old 40 drops, and you're done in 10 kills.

Then at 80 the new quests and the shortened quests return to normal. But you've still got over 13 ways to get experinece and spirit daily over all of the level ranges.
1. Crazy Stone
2. World Quest
3. Cube of Fate
4. Bounty Hunter
5. Public Quest
6. Pheonix Valley
7. Oracles
8. Old Heaven's Tear
9. 95+ get Morai
10. Base Quests
11. Zhen squads
12. Regular quests
13. Lucid Gold/Silver
14. Winter season quests (was Autumn)

I mean seriously, it's hard to get bored with all of that, and it will give you tones of exp to level.

Compared to all of that, FCC is damn boring.

Well if i have to kill 10 or 40 mobs is just part of it. What about all the flying around ? Does it make me a good player to fly the whole map 10 times over ?

Let me read the list you made:
1. Crazy Stone*
7. Oracles*
-Terrible coin/xp ratio. I dont do them. (no i dont pay for heads either, although i think these are way much worse ration than buying heads actually)
3. Cube of Fate*
-did every day on 2 chars for a while, got pretty bored with it really
4. Bounty Hunter
-Did every day yes
6. Pheonix Valley
11. Zhen squads*
-Wasnt able to solo it effectively, never found a squad willing to do either. Would be interested in though
13. Lucid Gold/Silver*
-not while europeans are awake.
8. Old Heaven's Tear
9. 95+ get Morai
10. Base Quests
5. Public Quest
2. World Quest
12. Regular quests
14. Winter season quests (was Autumn)
-Way to get a long list. for short, quests.

* and you do agree with these ? they dont make people very skilled.

As i have said many times, i learned to play my character in FC. It was a revelation for me. I very well remember my very first FC. I was lvl 75 or so, didnt power level one bit, got there by doing all the quests. I knew how to ream, devour and frighten. I enter the instance, i ask whats the plan ? "do i pull them 1 by 1 or can we handle groups of 5?" While half the squad gets ready to leave or asks the leader to kick me, some guy tells me to run to the glacial, invoke, roar, sunder. I look at the hallway in front of me, i dont know what a glacial is, but i guess it must be somewhere out there .... b:shocked the squad doesnt seem like they are very patient so lets go and jump in the deep before they kick me.... 30 seconds later i stand there well and healthy with some 30 dead mobs around me. That feeling.... thats where my barb life started and thats the moment where i fell completely and utterly in love with my barb, the game and FC. b:dirty

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

i just get upset anytime when people are trying to push their will onto others. They dont want to powerlevel so they think others shouldnt. This is an aspect of humans i thoroughly hate.

And even if the reasons are different, that does not matter. I know i will learn to play my character before i bother squads with my presence and i know some people will never learn to play if there is power leveling or not. And even that does not really matter in the light of the first reason i gave. Just stop pushing your will onto others please.

"Pushing their will onto others"? How do you propose to re-populate the pwi map, from the beginning city areas through to the morai areas? Do you even know why I am asking this particular question? It is simply because, if these areas are not re-populated, say goodbye to all the time you spent hypering or zhenning (which this one in particular i only heard about on these fc debate threads)... What good is a game that is dead? Or is that all you enjoy, are those hypered powerleveling activities to in the end just sit around and look pretty? So get your story straight, seriously... THIS is about the future of PWI. Period. No re-population of PWI's maps = No new player base = Dead Game.
The following is not even important enough to color in :
As far as wether or not anyone knows how to play their class... who gives a damn... chances are that the old saying says it all about that bs even becoming part of the disabling fc hyper powerleveling conversation at all... "you can not fix stupid."

Athailean - Lost City wrote: »

looks to me the only people complaining about it are all above 100 already and did there power leveling already. Seem like they just dont want other to share in what they already did b:angry

LOL i think this is true, nowadays in any bh39, 51 , etc I make for my lowers alters I found a lot of High high lvls toons (who comes to "help us" to make our BH cuz they are really bored), even they usually told us I have 3, 4, 5 toons 101+

I really doubt , that ALL their (3, 4, 5..) 101+ toons was make without FCC power leveling

Then to be fair just left the things like they are

XSonOfCircex - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm not sure how it is on other servers, but on Sanctuary, most of the world chatting of FCC exp room sales seem to be to people in the 85+ range. (Though admittedly these people probably bought FCC to get to that point)

I was also mainly directing that at the people supporting level capping it at 80/85.

Yep , even lvl 80+, 90+ ask for heads or exp rooms in FCC so for me there are no point to put FCC with Lv restricted, cuz even ppl who CAN make FCCs, they prefers only buy them. Then we still gonna keep alters who don't care or want to learn how to play their alter class.


Even though the problem of noobs comes time ago
For me, after that glich of Goons time ago, PW made a lot ( not all but a lot ) of High lvls noobs , and NOW changing this (Disable hypers in frost) or not , have no point cuz they still keep

Let the ppl enjoy the game in the way they want.



This remember me one point

Cantor - Raging Tide wrote: »

Power leveling is minor thing, compared to other serious
flaws of "business policy" of this game.

~~~~~

I'm on Raging Tide, I have 9 toons, I do low level quests,
low level BH's and other things.

Cleric 92,
Myst, Sin, Seek 70+
BM, Veno, Barb, Archer 50+
Wiz 42

This HYP situation doesn't affect me at all.

I don't mind if someone powerlevels, it won't hurt me.

It won't reduce my ability to play my own way.

~~~~~

What hurts this game is not power leveling.
They messed up with too high Boutique prices,
with way too low drop rates, and some other things.

And then tried to bring more players by offering them
"power leveling" bait when many old players became
saturated.

People aren't "slaves" (any more).

Not many people want to spend tons of cash on game that gives
so little for that money, especially "chance to get this-and-that"
and that chance is so low that you have to buy hundred of those
expensive packs to get it.

Nor to grind for months to accomplish simple tasks that should be
reachable within few weeks or less.

Management is doing things that ruin this game much more
than simple "HYP in FC".

Some of those things are blatant blackmail, masked with
thin "glamour wrap paper".

At the end they pushed GM's to front line into fire.

I almost forgot , i read a lot of ppl claming to lower lvls has to make quest , but unfortunatelly PW changed a lot of things in game , it's not the same money , drops whose I got when i play my lower cleric years ago , now there are too low drop rates, like DQ drps now only give you ONE coin -.-;; so in order to buy things to my lower levels I have to use/ farm with my alters of more lvl like 90+ to get a decent amount of money for their (lower lvls) skills.
The other way will be just spent a lot of real money in game, so no >.> ... sure FREE to play

One side feels entitled to have the game owners hand them their ease and give them what they want, when and how they want it. Anyone who opposes their entitlement has evil motives and is selfish. All 100 levels must've pleveled because the entitled can't believe anyone would have a different attitude toward self-serving than they (the entitled do).

The other side wants to preserve the integrity of the game. They know people will level up to 100 and they welcome that. They want to not see the game deteriorate into the welfare system where the lamers outnumber the gamers. They want to be able to form a squad with a reasonable expectation that the 95-level veno they just added knows how and when to purge or that the cleric knows why one uses red ball.

Regardless of screeds to the contrary, it is my observation that the game is filling up with 100-level noobs. I've seen plevelers who turned out to be good players and non-plevelers who will suck forever, but I think the percentages aren't even close. And yes, I think that doing the quests and playing the game through almost always, significantly improves a player over what they otherwise would've been.

I don't want to eliminate hypering altogether. It's good for an occasional boost. I'm totally against the addictive every-day-pleveling-to-skip-the-rest-of-the-game and even more against selling the opportunity to skip.

Just my opinion. Let the ad hominems begin.

JinxRake - Momaganon wrote: »

. Too many people rush to lvl 100 only to realize that the only thing to do at 100 is to work on your gear and maybe PK.

I see this written regularly in this whole debate. I think many people like me just played their first character the old fassioned way. Some are oblivious to the whole powerleveling for quite a long time. Others dont cash shop at all and dont have the coins to pay anyone to help them powerleveling. Yet another group does cashshop but uses it to buy mounts, flyers and the such rather than paying for powerleveling their first character. And most new players wouldnt even consider powerleveling because they are simply enjoying the game.

It is those that already have one or more lvl 100s that are powerleveling new chars. They very well realise what there is to do at level 100, and they choose that rather than doing the quests again and again.

So this is a totally invalid argument.

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

I see this written regularly in this whole debate. I think many people like me just played their first character the old fassioned way. Some are oblivious to the whole powerleveling for quite a long time. Others dont cash shop at all and dont have the coins to pay anyone to help them powerleveling. Yet another group does cashshop but uses it to buy mounts, flyers and the such rather than paying for powerleveling their first character. And most new players wouldnt even consider powerleveling because they are simply enjoying the game.

i agree.

I lvled my first toon to 95 without even knowing of FC. That was back in the late 2008, early 2009 if i remember right.
Well i started playing there and reached this lv like half a year back with chilling gameplay questing and getting TT armor, when i reached the lv for them (lv 60,70,80) and i was so proud of having a gold weapon back then (lv 70 gold mold), was something special.

Well when i started my sin, i lvled him till i reached Dreamweaver Port for my quests and was pretty much sick of doing all the monster killing again (wasnt my second toon, i think it was my 4. one actually) since i reached Dreamweaver with 3 other toons already and FC was a big deal then and i thought "damn, im going to buy one or two of those". Yea.

I done some BHs,worldquest, other good exp giving quests and lvled to 80~85 to do fc in a squad.
I lvled 3 toons the old way to atleast dreamweaver port questline and even further to wraithgate and lv 70~ spots.
One ofc reached lv 95 without knowing of fc.

But someday, you get sick of doing the same quests over and over again, so what? fc.

Also, take this:

Sweetiebot give 8 points to HrunsPanda - Archosaur