Return of Hypers in Frost
LuciusVorenu - Lost City
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http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1574821
Well, as this week long break from Hypers being available for use in frost comes to an end, it also brings an end to a small glimpse of how I remember the game pre-frost. This week alone, at least of the Lost City Server, I have seen people actually doing the following:
-Low Level BH, namely 39, 51, 59
-Zhen Squads (yes, shocking)
-Increase number of people actually doing low level quests
-Low level Phoenix Valley runs
It makes me a little sad to see that this all change next week when they bring back hypering into frost. I feel we will see the power levelers return, low level BH squads disappear, Zhen squads will cease to exist, and Phoenix Valley deserted.
I am curious how the general population feels about this return. Feel free to state anything I may have missed, how you feel about this return ect.
Well, as this week long break from Hypers being available for use in frost comes to an end, it also brings an end to a small glimpse of how I remember the game pre-frost. This week alone, at least of the Lost City Server, I have seen people actually doing the following:
-Low Level BH, namely 39, 51, 59
-Zhen Squads (yes, shocking)
-Increase number of people actually doing low level quests
-Low level Phoenix Valley runs
It makes me a little sad to see that this all change next week when they bring back hypering into frost. I feel we will see the power levelers return, low level BH squads disappear, Zhen squads will cease to exist, and Phoenix Valley deserted.
I am curious how the general population feels about this return. Feel free to state anything I may have missed, how you feel about this return ect.
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LuciusVorenu - Lost City wrote: »http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1574821
Well, as this week long break from Hypers being available for use in frost comes to an end, it also brings an end to a small glimpse of how I remember the game pre-frost. This week alone, at least of the Lost City Server, I have seen people actually doing the following:
-Low Level BH, namely 39, 51, 59
-Zhen Squads (yes, shocking)
-Increase number of people actually doing low level quests
-Low level Phoenix Valley runs
It makes me a little sad to see that this all change next week when they bring back hypering into frost. I feel we will see the power levelers return, low level BH squads disappear, Zhen squads will cease to exist, and Phoenix Valley deserted.
I am curious how the general population feels about this return. Feel free to state anything I may have missed, how you feel about this return ect.
I say anyone who feels the same way, DAMN IT, make your way to the poll thread here and keep fc hypering out of the picture... Vote YES (at about 10%+ of the vote now) for keeping it entirely disabled OR Vote Level Restricted (at about 53%+ of the vote now) to keep fc restricted to the minimum level cap it was meant for to begin with... b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »I say anyone who feels the same way, DAMN IT, make your way to the poll thread here and keep fc hypering out of the picture... Vote YES (at about 10%+ of the vote now) for keeping it entirely disabled OR Vote Level Restricted (at about 53%+ of the vote now) to keep fc restricted to the minimum level cap it was meant for to begin with... b:victory
...or that works too b:laugh this is meant just for a people to vent/say farewell to how things have been this week.0 -
LuciusVorenu - Lost City wrote: »I am curious how the general population feels about this return. Feel free to state anything I may have missed, how you feel about this return ect.
Its... regrettable. It really should have stayed the way it is now till a level restriction was placed on it. At least while Frost was out of the picture, some of the players adapted and started doing more than hyper-spamming one instance as their main source of XP.
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LuciusVorenu - Lost City wrote: »...or that works too b:laugh this is meant just for a people to vent/say farewell to how things have been this week.
No need to say farewell if it can be changed, after all... this was a MOD initiated poll b:pleased ... git to dem polls! b:mischievous[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I found it really refreshing to see so many BH squads. I normally make 6-8 squads a day for varying BHs but for the last week I was actually able to grab some off world chat occasionally because they were so constant. (Partially also due to the lack of warsong squads in the case of BH100.)
I also saw more people in the questing zones.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Annalyse (veno) - Melosa (cleric) - Glynneth (archer) - Pickerel (sin)
Florafang (wiz) - RubixCube (barb) - Laravell (psy) - Diviah (Mystic)
Torchwood (BM) - Sataea (Seeker) - Wystera (Sin) - Allissere (SB)
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I like things how they are now, personally.
Of course, I'm 105, so doesn't matter...0 -
MistaBwanden - Sanctuary wrote: »I like things how they are now, personally.
Of course, I'm 105, so doesn't matter...
Your level does not matter actually... I see the point of keeping fc hyper powerleveling out of the game for the purpose of keeping the longevity of the game itself in tact... as it sat before this "oops of taking out fc hypering", the game was rapidly deteriorating...
tw's grow stale due to lack of up and coming player base...
pwi vet players have been leaving at a faster pace...
Killing off fc hyper powerleveling pushes people back out into the map... has this happened? Just observe world chat...
This fills the pwi world map with players... with LIFE AGAIN!!!
This is what will keep new player base coming in!!!
THIS is what will allow this game to continue for years to come!!!
Anyone who cant see this, I just have nothing good to say b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »the game was rapidly deteriorating...
tw's grow stale due to lack of up and coming player base...
pwi vet players have been leaving at a faster pace...
Killing off fc hyper powerleveling pushes people back out into the map... has this happened? Just observe world chat...
This fills the pwi world map with players... with LIFE AGAIN!!!
This is what will keep new player base coming in!!!
THIS is what will allow this game to continue for years to come!!!
Couldnt have said it better +1b:victory0 -
Yeah. Until they realize how boring leveling is and quit anyway. Instead of just doing it at end game. b:avoid[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »Yeah. Until they realize how boring leveling is and quit anyway. Instead of just doing it at end game. b:avoid
I call your bluff on the basis of VERY well known games that have been and are STILL around to this day after ~ a decade already... There is no point in trying to BS around the fact that only blind, ignorant and shortsighted, greed and selfishness, are the only backing of keeping fc hyper powerleveling. PERIOD. b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
It's sad to see a confirmation that PWE would rather get tons of zen sales while the game lasts instead of making the game last a lot longer.
Anyone out there on Dreamweaver wanna lowbie quest or BH with meh? :<[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
i agree and a week maybe was enough to give a few the way to play the game why not just allow hypers for 80 85 plus? let the lil guys learn and earn the how to play of the game was so nice seeing upper lvls helping smaller ones giving advise not selling it and noone got head this week so stds were cut down as well world chat was nicer and quieter with just more chatter not heads for x amount of coin i will miss this no hyper fc pwiApostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »I say anyone who feels the same way, DAMN IT, make your way to the poll thread here and keep fc hypering out of the picture... Vote YES (at about 10%+ of the vote now) for keeping it entirely disabled OR Vote Level Restricted (at about 53%+ of the vote now) to keep fc restricted to the minimum level cap it was meant for to begin with... b:victory0 -
Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »I call your bluff on the basis of VERY well known games that have been and are STILL around to this day after ~ a decade already... There is no point in trying to BS around the fact that only blind, ignorant and shortsighted, greed and selfishness, are the only backing of keeping fc hyper powerleveling. PERIOD. b:bye
Whatever game you're referring to, I bet the questing there is more fun than on PWI. On here it's more of, kill 20 mobs, then kill 40 mobs, then kill 60 mobs, then kill 80 mobs, and so on.Zsw -104 Sage Assassin
TehZsw - 100 Demon Archer
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Power leveling is minor thing, compared to other serious
flaws of "business policy" of this game.
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I'm on Raging Tide, I have 9 toons, I do low level quests,
low level BH's and other things.
Cleric 92,
Myst, Sin, Seek 70+
BM, Veno, Barb, Archer 50+
Wiz 42
This HYP situation doesn't affect me at all.
I don't mind if someone powerlevels, it won't hurt me.
It won't reduce my ability to play my own way.
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What hurts this game is not power leveling.
They messed up with too high Boutique prices,
with way too low drop rates, and some other things.
And then tried to bring more players by offering them
"power leveling" bait when many old players became
saturated.
People aren't "slaves" (any more).
Not many people want to spend tons of cash on game that gives
so little for that money, especially "chance to get this-and-that"
and that chance is so low that you have to buy hundred of those
expensive packs to get it.
Nor to grind for months to accomplish simple tasks that should be
reachable within few weeks or less.
Management is doing things that ruin this game much more
than simple "HYP in FC".
Some of those things are blatant blackmail, masked with
thin "glamour wrap paper".
At the end they pushed GM's to front line into fire.0 -
Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »I call your bluff on the basis of VERY well known games that have been and are STILL around to this day after ~ a decade already... There is no point in trying to BS around the fact that only blind, ignorant and shortsighted, greed and selfishness, are the only backing of keeping fc hyper powerleveling. PERIOD. b:bye
How many of those at end game do you know actually do anything aside from the occasional dailies or TW/NW? Once you've got your gear and you've had your fill of PvP, there's very little to play for. PWI is a grindy goal oriented game, once you reach those goals it leaves very little left to do. The quests are horrible and there's no truly engaging content.
I'm not arguing about what the reason behind powerleveling is, I actually support it for those who know how to play and don't want to sit there and grind for months to level. Point is, game's boring once you hit end game. Plain and simple. Hell, even without being at that level of gear the only thing keeping me here is the fact that I just plain and simply have no other game to play and need something to do from time to time. If you have fun that's all well and good, but PWI lacks staying power. I'd be willing to bet a lot of the people who DO stick around are around for the exact reason you believe most people power level, greed. They threw money at the game and don't want to lose out on how much they spent, it ties them to the game. Same goes for some people who spent a lot of time gearing up, though I suppose it lacks the aspect of greed.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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imo reaching lvl 105 is nomore a huge factor as in the past, so they should make it really easier - faster cause there are already many major aspects of the game to care about that take away a lot of time and efforts (gear - skills)...
atm reaching lvl 105 is so boring that its totally not worth the time0 -
Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »I say anyone who feels the same way, DAMN IT, make your way to the poll thread here and keep fc hypering out of the picture... Vote YES (at about 10%+ of the vote now) for keeping it entirely disabled OR Vote Level Restricted (at about 53%+ of the vote now) to keep fc restricted to the minimum level cap it was meant for to begin with... b:victory
How about if anyone who wants to do low level questing and not powerleveling actually goes do low level quests instead of powerleveling. If the majority does want lower level questing and goes do it, well then there are many people doing it and you got what you want.
Democracy at its finest !
Unfortunately just like in the real world, people want to try to use democracy as a means of one group of people to supress another group.0 -
Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »It was funny to observe those who didn't even know what to do with themselves without their beloved Frost though~
those peeps who plays Frost City Online? as usual they being bored ingame dont know what to do but stay logged in 24/7 too, while spending that 24/7 saying "Im bored" repeatedly.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I'm on Heavens Tear!0 -
Kerius - Dreamweaver wrote: »It's sad to see a confirmation that PWE would rather get tons of zen sales while the game lasts instead of making the game last a lot longer.
Anyone out there on Dreamweaver wanna lowbie quest or BH with meh? :<
I will, Kerius. I've got a few alts I'm playing through quests with (quite a few, actually). If I spy you on the world map, I'll shoot a PM (only two of my toons even remotely sound like Jace).b:cute The world may be small, but it is far from known.
Why the rage? It's a draining emotion.
Me: DaValentine (veno), Jaceraie (mystic), etc etc etc b:chuckle0 -
Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »Yeah. Until they realize how boring leveling is and quit anyway. Instead of just doing it at end game. b:avoid
Yeah, not to mention how the higher levels on pvp servers will molest the lower levels for their ego.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Kerius - Dreamweaver wrote: »It's sad to see a confirmation that PWE would rather get tons of zen sales while the game lasts instead of making the game last a lot longer.
Anyone out there on Dreamweaver wanna lowbie quest or BH with meh? :<
-Raises hand- ME!
I think i got a barb around that level. I've been working on my wizard lately and haven't played him for a while.[SIGPIC]http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa85/kitsunekatie/guild stuff/allcharsig1-1.jpg [/SIGPIC]
Jealous?~❤~0 -
This is what I don't get:Regarding the FCC issue:
- I'm seeing a lot of support to keep this change, or at least to have a modified version. Since it's on the table, I'll see if we can start discussing possible alternatives, such as setting a level limit, or a hyper exp lvl requirement for FCC. I cannot promise that we'll be able to get this fixed, let alone to everyone's satisfaction, but we'll do our best.
- Val
[UPDATE - 3-21-2013]
FCC issue
- Devs are going to reverse this change, thereby re-enabling hyper-exp in FCC, so hopefully we'll have this fixed with our next maintenance.
- Regarding alternative "solutions," such as a level cap - I think we need to continue discussing this over a longer period of time. But for now, we're going to try to revert this change ASAP and re-enable hyper exp in FCC.
- Val
Why would they fix this to how it used to be when player support says WE DON'T WANT LVL 1's IN FC like before! Keeping it off is a better solution until they can get level restriction!0 -
If the lvl cap for FC had been implemented properly and not so easily circumvented there would never have been a problemWhat kind of fool pays for a free game.0
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HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »How about if anyone who wants to do low level questing and not power leveling actually goes do low level quests instead of power leveling. If the majority does want lower level questing and goes do it, well then there are many people doing it and you got what you want.
It is about alot more then that. Alot of those who support level restricting frost mainly do so beacuse alot of those very people who come in and power level a class that they have no idea how to play, and fail. Because they never took the time of day to grind through those low levels, learn that characters strengths and weaknesses.
This is not to say that it takes grinding for 100 levels to know that a HA user is weaker to magic, or that AA users are weaker to physical attacks. I'm talking about the more important things. Such as the appropriate heals to use and when, aggro skills for barbs, how not to take aggro as a DD. I have run into too many Psychics on this game who yell at barb "Take aggro" while they use Black Voodoo and refuse to switch to White. This is not just an issue with psychics as I have seen an issue with and DD class ranting and raving because they stole aggro from tank.
This in no way mean that one group is trying to "suppress" the other. All that most people are looking for is to bring back a player base who use skill. I'm not going to say that ALL power levelers have no skill, because that would be an unfair judgement.0 -
PWI fixes things by making mistakes and breaks things by trying to fix it... PWI logic for ya. b:laugh0
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No-one would care if people knew how to play their class. And it's true that: Knowing how to play your class > Level (In most scenarios, skipping a few). I'd love to see a 85+ level restriction and that is what I am voting for.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »Yeah. Until they realize how boring leveling is and quit anyway. Instead of just doing it at end game. b:avoid
Don't worry Zanny, you can still PL me after the server merge. We can just go to PV instead of FC. b:cute[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
LuciusVorenu - Lost City wrote: »It is about alot more then that. Alot of those who support level restricting frost mainly do so beacuse alot of those very people who come in and power level a class that they have no idea how to play, and fail. Because they never took the time of day to grind through those low levels, learn that characters strengths and weaknesses.
This is not to say that it takes grinding for 100 levels to know that a HA user is weaker to magic, or that AA users are weaker to physical attacks. I'm talking about the more important things. Such as the appropriate heals to use and when, aggro skills for barbs, how not to take aggro as a DD. I have run into too many Psychics on this game who yell at barb "Take aggro" while they use Black Voodoo and refuse to switch to White. This is not just an issue with psychics as I have seen an issue with and DD class ranting and raving because they stole aggro from tank.
This in no way mean that one group is trying to "suppress" the other. All that most people are looking for is to bring back a player base who use skill. I'm not going to say that ALL power levelers have no skill, because that would be an unfair judgement.
I know the story and its BS.
I have leveled my sage barb the normal way.
Now i want to powerlevel a demonbarb. And if you stop me from doing that, i will surely feel supressed.0 -
HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »I know the story and its BS.
I have leveled my sage barb the normal way.
Now i want to powerlevel a demonbarb. And if you stop me from doing that, i will surely feel supressed.
Any player that's done things the old way should not only be able to level quickly regardless... but should also be well aware of the multiple other ways to powerlevel outside of Frost.
Having a level restricted frost only hinders those who aren't very knowledgable in the game to begin with... and those are the ones people would prefer weeded out or to have learn anyways.(Insert fancy image here)
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I dont even use frost myself except for really playing it in the 75-100 range. Sure as hell aint paying anyone else to do it for me. I love playing the instance and if they would restrict it to anything higher than 75, i will feel a strong urge to find all those who voted for that by their IP and send them each a bombletter for destroying the most beautifull part of the game
However, i do use zhenning. The pits often being occupied is ****ty enough as it already, but if FC is gonna be killed for low levels, lines are gonna be horrendous. And surely i guess there are other ways, but i dont think they will be as fast and convenient. Didnt make that zhening seeker for nothing
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