what hapening to new panda skill and quest if i want to go Sage

purewis
purewis Posts: 0 Arc User
edited March 2013 in Barbarian
as u know sage barb got lot of advantage in last update and Demons just got stupid look!

and i want to change to Sage now, i did panda chain quest and install demon new books last night,

i wonder if i go to sage now can i do the quest again and get sage panda form or i have to pay 30 gold for it or something else happening ?!
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  • Haila - Sanctuary
    Haila - Sanctuary Posts: 467 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I guess if you have changed to sage you can get the sage version of the books again at the lost trainer without doing the quests again.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Books for both cultis are available once quest line is finished. You just need the required culti to get each set. So sage can't get demon and demon can't get sage, but once you've switched your culti it should be purchasable.

    I may consider waiting a few weeks, just to see if this was an oversight on PWIs part, though.
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Are people really considering a swap to sage if demon? Personally, the true form change isn't really a selling point to me.


    Someone try to convince me to change, I'm open to ideas. :P
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  • Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear
    Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 384 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Are people really considering a swap to sage if demon? Personally, the true form change isn't really a selling point to me.


    Someone try to convince me to change, I'm open to ideas. :P

    the infinite chi skill... which does not have any require casting or channeling time with barely no cooldown... with negligible mana cost.. and can be used during combat and while moving/flying around without having to stop?! b:bored
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  • BloodTyrant - Raging Tide
    BloodTyrant - Raging Tide Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    there's a possibility for new skills needing panda form, they might be released in future updates, there are rumors about a skill for demon barbs, which increase accuracy by 300% and def lvl by 40, for 1 minute. The panda form is useless, only cool thing is the way he hits and the new skill looks, besides that, useless (for now).

    if i were you Knownase, i'd wait.
    Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    the infinite chi skill... which does not have any require casting or channeling time with barely no cooldown... with negligible mana cost.. and can be used during combat and while moving/flying around without having to stop?! b:bored

    it's true, the panda form for sage barbs gives an awesome chi builder, but to be honestly, i'd never trade my demon skills/barb for a simple way to build chi, cause demon barbs got demon BKI which gives more chi.
  • purewis
    purewis Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    i m playing with demon barb like 2 year now
    in my opinion one of the boiggest advantage of demon was not getting dmg nerf , awsome for keeping agro and tanking and pvp too, and now demons lost it
    now sages have more hp,more def,more speed ,...
    just for arma and sunder staying demon is kinda silly ! cuz not even 1% of my daily jobs dealing with these 2 skill but HP,speed,def,more attak and ... are always usefull.
    now the only acceptable reason for staying demon is for being aps and aps barbs sux too unless u r uber rich. [
  • Blaxton - Raging Tide
    Blaxton - Raging Tide Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    purewis wrote: »
    i m playing with demon barb like 2 year now
    in my opinion one of the boiggest advantage of demon was not getting dmg nerf , awsome for keeping agro and tanking and pvp too, and now demons lost it
    now sages have more hp,more def,more speed ,...
    just for arma and sunder staying demon is kinda silly ! cuz not even 1% of my daily jobs dealing with these 2 skill but HP,speed,def,more attak and ... are always usefull.
    now the only acceptable reason for staying demon is for being aps and aps barbs sux too unless u r uber rich. [

    Sage barbs always had more HP, P. Def, speed, and base damage (when standing) compared to a Demon barb of the same build. However, Demon barbs got an advantage in Tiger Form and will out damage a Sage barb with crit skills.

    Arma and Sunder are incredibly useful for keeping aggro on groups of mobs and/or just dealing tons of damage. The guaranteed crit from Demon Sunder and 10% more damage from Demon Arma will let a Demon barb deal far more damage with that combo...
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Personally, I'm hoping for "oversight."

    My barb is sage, but I don't think it's fair to leave demons at 30% HP and still give sages full attack power. I figured it was designed so that sage/demon advanced tiger form employs the bonuses of both, and then panda form starts from that platform and builds on it. Leaving only one without the advantage of the other is just ****-poor design. :-/

    EDIT: Though now that I think about it... advanced Fox Form eliminates the MP penalty for both versions. Maybe the devs, harebrained as they are, thought "lol let's just remove all the penalties from both forms!!1" Except, y'know, demon tiger form's lack of a penalty was kind of its selling point to begin wtih. o.O
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  • Blaxton - Raging Tide
    Blaxton - Raging Tide Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Personally, I'm hoping for "oversight."

    My barb is sage, but I don't think it's fair to leave demons at 30% HP and still give sages full attack power. I figured it was designed so that sage/demon advanced tiger form employs the bonuses of both, and then panda form starts from that platform and builds on it. Leaving only one without the advantage of the other is just ****-poor design. :-/

    EDIT: Though now that I think about it... advanced Fox Form eliminates the MP penalty for both versions. Maybe the devs, harebrained as they are, thought "lol let's just remove all the penalties from both forms!!1" Except, y'know, demon tiger form's lack of a penalty was kind of its selling point to begin wtih. o.O

    Haha, yeah. It's like they completely forgot that Demon True Form had no other advanced attributes.
  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Are people really considering a swap to sage if demon? Personally, the true form change isn't really a selling point to me.


    Someone try to convince me to change, I'm open to ideas. :P

    Sage Advantages: Better HP & PDef, Better movement speed, Better Chi Gain with new form, buffs last an hour. Sage spark eruption. (+6)

    Demon Advantages: HP Buff gives other people chi. Attack buff gives other people 5% crit for 1 minute. Better crits. (+3)

    Clear winner is Sage now. Before it was even at 5 and 5 with demon having full damage in form and better chi gain.

    I'd wait to see if they fix the issue, but even with the 50% damage in form, the winner still is sage with 6 vs 4. Even if you ditch the buffs last an hour bonus, Sage still wins.
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  • Redmenace - Heavens Tear
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear Posts: 908 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sage Advantages: Better HP & PDef, Better movement speed, Better Chi Gain with new form, buffs last an hour. Sage spark eruption. (+6)

    Demon Advantages: HP Buff gives other people chi. Attack buff gives other people 5% crit for 1 minute. Better crits. (+3)

    Clear winner is Sage now. Before it was even at 5 and 5 with demon having full damage in form and better chi gain.

    I'd wait to see if they fix the issue, but even with the 50% damage in form, the winner still is sage with 6 vs 4. Even if you ditch the buffs last an hour bonus, Sage still wins.

    Amazing. It's as if you sprung from the ground, clueless.

    Both culti's have equal advantages - you just like Sage better.

    Other people's mileage may vary.
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  • Beleni - Dreamweaver
    Beleni - Dreamweaver Posts: 383 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    have to admit it does suck abit about the new Sage form having a real advantage over demons.

    but imo, demon Sundergeddon outweighs this new bump Sage gets.
    i mean, 220% more damage on Armageddon compared with Sage version, what is still not to like about Demon.

    to OP-

    if you carry on with the quest list after you get your new true forms, ( 3 or 4 more talking quests )
    the Trainer gives you another option to take a new book ( sage or demon )

    for some reason the trainer also lets you re- learn the lvl 1 True form skill, i don't fancy to try to relearn it, but option is there.

    I believe that this problem with the Sage getting no nerf in True forms will be addressed when they do another update to bring in the new panda form skill that gives accuracy and defense lvls.

    Side note : the new skill is called ''Feast of the Demons''- but it is available for both cultivation - not just for Demons.
  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Amazing. It's as if you sprung from the ground, clueless.

    Both culti's have equal advantages - you just like Sage better.

    Other people's mileage may vary.

    Bzzt, I actually have a Demon catabarb. I stayed demon for the original advantages it had over Sage. The biggest advantage was chi gain, which is now an advantage for Sage.

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    Beleni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    demon Sundergeddon

    Demon sundergeddon is uber, but it's also dumping your chi and not always 100% pull-offable in every situation. Damage wise overall sage and demon are even if not Sage wins in sustained fights. The crit advantage Demon has is a pro, but I do not feel its enough to outweigh Sage's current pros.
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