Speaking of 'fixing skills' ..........

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide
Lolgasmic - Raging Tide Posts: 1,315 Arc User
edited March 2013 in General Discussion
The new content update brought us a **** load of glitches and accidental changes, yeah.

Among those mistakes was removing the damage reduction that Sage True Form had.

Demon True Form Intensified:
Speed +80%
HP +30% [**]

Sage True Form Intensified:
Speed +90%
HP +40%

So if this is going to be fixed.... While we're at it I want the Seeker skill "Edged Blur" Also to be fixed! b:shutup

That skill hits through Invoke, Absolute Domain, Iron Guard, everything. Frankly it's just as broken as any of these recent bugs and if we are going to have the battle field "leveled" then why not fix this, too?
b:bye


Update March 23
To clear things up..... Edged Blurr has always hit through invoke and Resists. It was not isolated to the content update.
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  • Danoria_ - Lost City
    Danoria_ - Lost City Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    v4liance wrote: »
    -All classes can be STUNNED/SLEPT/DISABLED/AMP'D/DEBUFFED/PURGED through ironguard, absolute domain and feral concentration while in a duel, as long as the debuff does not carry damage (i.e. Cleric's SoG, sleep, BM's Roar stun, Assassin's and Seeker's telestun, Psychic's SoS, etc).

    - Val

    Should probably fix that first, ijs.

    *I should also note, I left a **** ton out of that quote that also got changed. Way to go pw.
  • Crixxix - Raging Tide
    Crixxix - Raging Tide Posts: 848 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    ^ +1 to fixing Edged Blur, not going to say anything about the Barb thing except to remove the option for barbs to go demon all together, or just uninstall. Demon Barbs are fail imo, defeats the purpose of a barb. That's just my opinion though. Also worth noting, that the damage reduction for BOTH sage and demon wasn't a mistake. b:chuckle

    Just sayin, edged blur hits through Invoke, which has nothing to do with stopping damage or debuffs, etc. It's a damage reduction skill, yet Edged Blur hits through it for full damage. Upon reviewing the skill description, it says nothing about hitting through invoke or anything of the like. Total bug.
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  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Just sayin, edged blur hits through Invoke, which has nothing to do with stopping damage or debuffs, etc. It's a damage reduction skill, yet Edged Blur hits through it for full damage. Upon reviewing the skill description, it says nothing about hitting through invoke or anything of the like. Total bug.

    If I remember right, so do DoTs. Oh, and while we're at it, Absorb Soul bypasses Defense Levels too, but the skill doesn't say anything about that~
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  • Danoria_ - Lost City
    Danoria_ - Lost City Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Wouldn't be the first time they so conveniently left out details. I'd just wait to see whether they change the skill or the tool tip, eventually (if ever)
  • CapnK - Sanctuary
    CapnK - Sanctuary Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Edged Blur shares the properties of damage over time skills, as do several other skills from various classes. Blade Tornado, Reckless Rush, and Flash for Blademasters, Absorb Soul for Mystics, Telekinesis for Psychics, etc. They all ignore damage reduction skills like invoke, BB, Plume Shell, etc. This isn't a glitch, it's the way they're intended.

    The ignoring Ironguard, Absolute Domain, etc. should only be during duels. It doesn't happen during PK/TW/NW.
  • Salari - Raging Tide
    Salari - Raging Tide Posts: 2,102 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    From what I have heard people say about the new barb form skills it is just as intended. There is no text stating there is still a dmg reduction on the new form skill so why would it be considered a mistake, glitch or bug. This is just the beginning of the new skills. Maybe we should wait to see what is in store later on. I am not saying it is or is not right, just that these 2 new skills maybe exactly as intended.
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  • Clokey - Harshlands
    Clokey - Harshlands Posts: 202 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Danoria_ - Lost City wrote: »
    Should probably fix that first, ijs.

    *I should also note, I left a **** ton out of that quote that also got changed. Way to go pw.
    Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »
    The new content update brought us a **** load of glitches and accidental changes, yeah.




    Among those mistakes was removing the damage reduction that Sage True Form had.




    Demon True Form Intensified:
    Speed +80%
    HP +40%




    Sage True Form Intensified:
    Speed +90%
    HP +40%




    So if this is going to be fixed.... While we're at it I want the Seeker skill "Edged Blur" Also to be fixed! b:shutup




    That skill hits through Invoke, Absolute Domain, Iron Guard, everything. Frankly it's just as broken as any of these recent bugs and if we are going to have the battle field "leveled" then why not fix this, too?
    b:bye


    this is not a bug, this is a new update...
    v4liance wrote: »

    *reserved for updates to the list made by moderators*


    -Barbarian's new intense Sage True Form now deals 100% damage (same as Demon). This renders Sage True Form being at a much higher advantage than Demon than before.

    (Venus)
    -All classes can be STUNNED/SLEPT/DISABLED/AMP'D/DEBUFFED/PURGED through ironguard, absolute domain and feral concentration while in a duel, as long as the debuff does not carry damage (i.e. Cleric's SoG, sleep, BM's Roar stun, Assassin's and Seeker's telestun, Psychic's SoS, etc).
  • klys
    klys Posts: 283 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If I remember right, so do DoTs. Oh, and while we're at it, Absorb Soul bypasses Defense Levels too, but the skill doesn't say anything about that~

    Absorb doesn't bypass defense levels- but since we're on the topic of fixing skills- if we could go ahead and break that skill so it does bypass that'd be great.
  • leontoxic
    leontoxic Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    wait so panda sage form deals 100% damage? wtf, demon form turning useless even more now than it was before.
  • Crixxix - Raging Tide
    Crixxix - Raging Tide Posts: 848 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Well to be quite honest, barbs aren't meant for demon. Barbs are meant to tank, which means we go sage. However, we still didn't get the new panda skills, so as was said, I think we should all wait and QQ about it later, after we see what those do. Better yet, why not be grateful for what we get, and say thank you to PWI and show our appreciation and support?
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  • Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear
    Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear Posts: 879 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Well to be quite honest, barbs aren't meant for demon. Barbs are meant to tank, which means we go sage. However, we still didn't get the new panda skills, so as was said, I think we should all wait and QQ about it later, after we see what those do. Better yet, why not be grateful for what we get, and say thank you to PWI and show our appreciation and support?

    Amen to that
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  • VKnightV - Lost City
    VKnightV - Lost City Posts: 381 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    if only we got wolf/tiger/lion instead b:shocked



    whyyyy panda b:shutup
  • Crixxix - Raging Tide
    Crixxix - Raging Tide Posts: 848 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Amen to that

    To which part? LOL b:laugh
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  • Crixxix - Raging Tide
    Crixxix - Raging Tide Posts: 848 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »
    if only we got wolf/tiger/lion instead b:shocked



    whyyyy panda b:shutup

    Perhaps this is just the beginning. Maybe if we're all good boys and ghouls, and wait patiently, we'll get these in the future. BTW, we already got tiger. b:chuckle
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  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Demon barbs are not fail. Some of the best barbs are demon. Yes this change was a mistake. It's probably going to get changed back. Pvp wise the only thing a sage barb has on a demon on is pulling cata and running flags which are essentially the same kind of thing, I think people underestimate the usefulness of a DD barb in pvp
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  • Clokey - Harshlands
    Clokey - Harshlands Posts: 202 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Well to be quite honest, barbs aren't meant for demon. Barbs are meant to tank, which means we go sage. However, we still didn't get the new panda skills, so as was said, I think we should all wait and QQ about it later, after we see what those do. Better yet, why not be grateful for what we get, and say thank you to PWI and show our appreciation and support?

    u dont have ur panda skills yet? lol i have it 2 days ago, after the update :P.... already has been implemented into the game lol b:chuckle

    Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Demon barbs are not fail. Some of the best barbs are demon. Yes this change was a mistake. It's probably going to get changed back. Pvp wise the only thing a sage barb has on a demon on is pulling cata and running flags which are essentially the same kind of thing, I think people underestimate the usefulness of a DD barb in pvp

    sage is better cause: More damage from mastery, more damage from buff, more HP from true form, now the true form doesnt decrease damage, panda or tiger form gain 20 chi when u use it u can charge chi so fast with that...

    demon: basic in all skills = increased crit hit for 5 sec, 3 sec, 6 sec, 15sec lol
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    What kind of barb dds in pvp in true from.. Lol..
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  • Wendigo - Momaganon
    Wendigo - Momaganon Posts: 191 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    What kind of barb dds in pvp in true from.. Lol..

    demons do... alacrity, sunder, ancestral rage all of this skills important and usefull in pvp for demon barbs
    Well to be quite honest, barbs aren't meant for demon. Barbs are meant to tank, which means we go sage.

    im demon barb with 39k+ hp in tiger (not sure but probably the most hped in momaganon). do u let me pull cata maybe? lemme know what i wanna do with my path even dps or tank build as demon or sage
    sage is better cause: More damage from mastery, more damage from buff, more HP from true form, now the true form doesnt decrease damage, panda or tiger form gain 20 chi when u use it u can charge chi so fast with that...

    demons: more dmg from poison fang, WAS more dmg in tiger, 35% crit from onslaught, +10% dmg from arma, devour 15 sec, 100% crit chance from sunder, more usefull hp buff, epic imba roar, more usefull Feral Regeneration, more usefull Mighty Swing.

    still sage barbs got 100% weapon damge since thi patch, but demon barbs have better skills. thats my opinion
  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    klys wrote: »
    Absorb doesn't bypass defense levels- but since we're on the topic of fixing skills- if we could go ahead and break that skill so it does bypass that'd be great.

    It does bypass defense levels actually
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  • Colum - Raging Tide
    Colum - Raging Tide Posts: 1,696 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Demons can tank as well or even better than sage barbs. Do I really need to start write arguments why?

    What comes to the attack... Why I deal more dmg to equal lvl sage barb with my tiggy skills than he would deal to me if sage's attack is supposed to be higher? It's higher only in normal form which doesn't matter in the terms of tanking.

    I can pull and tank each single PVE thing in this game and I am a proud demon barb. Come at me bro.
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  • HrunsPanda - Archosaur
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur Posts: 1,136 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Well to be quite honest, barbs aren't meant for demon. Barbs are meant to tank, which means we go sage. However, we still didn't get the new panda skills, so as was said, I think we should all wait and QQ about it later, after we see what those do. Better yet, why not be grateful for what we get, and say thank you to PWI and show our appreciation and support?

    what a bullcrap some people can say...

    They designed a game where players can choose demon or sage. Probably they want to make them balanced so that both options are viable options for this character.
    Of course there are always kids that need to defend their own choise by saying the others are fail or not mean to be like that.

    (I am sage btw, but im gonna make a second barb so i will have a sage and a demon one)
  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Well to be quite honest, barbs aren't meant for demon. Barbs are meant to tank, which means we go sage. However, we still didn't get the new panda skills, so as was said, I think we should all wait and QQ about it later, after we see what those do. Better yet, why not be grateful for what we get, and say thank you to PWI and show our appreciation and support?

    All this post is being viewed from the pvp context:

    That's just your own narrow-minded opinion. Barbs can deal a lot of damage too, and more now since the morai update, many months ago. In my opinion the best barb for pvp is the demon barb, even if sage true form is definitely better, there are many skills that make demon barb the ideal path for pvp.
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  • RankNine - Momaganon
    RankNine - Momaganon Posts: 1,241 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    CapnK - Sanctuary wrote: »

    The ignoring Ironguard, Absolute Domain, etc. should only be during duels. It doesn't happen during PK/TW/NW.

    blade tornado DOES hit through immunity in NW and TW. 100% and it also ignores def lvl. <- fix pls.

    magical shackle cant be purified and has a high as *** % chance to proceed <- fix pls

    the cleric crit debuff hits through immunity and deals pretty nice dmg <- fix pls

    any other OP skills?
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  • HrunsPanda - Archosaur
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur Posts: 1,136 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    PvE is the reason to make a demon for me actually :)
    I want APS but i dont want a sin. My friend has already a BM, so i want my APS barb
    Dont have pvp experience yet, but demon sunder armageddon seems damn sexy to me. both in pve and i expect in pvp.

    and tanking well yes i love to tank, but i do not have the wealth to reroll r8r armors for double -int and **** like that so i need to get a sage for APS. And without APS, you aint gonna hold agro really.
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Wendigo - Momaganon wrote: »
    demons do... alacrity, sunder, ancestral rage all of this skills important and usefull in pvp for demon barbs

    Point proven thank you.
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  • klys
    klys Posts: 283 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It does bypass defense levels actually

    No it doesn't. People's post's in forums aren't proof of jack. Go test it on a psy in white and black, then get back to me. k thx.
  • burningsweetfire
    burningsweetfire Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    There nothing wrong with skills that hit through defense lvls and immunity. It's like a way to defeat people with high defense lvls, or maybe the point of this thread is just make people with high defense level impossible to defeat...

    Barbs just jelly they don't have a skill like em. b:laugh

    Plus, it cost 2 sparks for edged blur... It deserves to hit pass invoke and defense levels.
  • Zsw - Dreamweaver
    Zsw - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    klys wrote: »
    No it doesn't. People's post's in forums aren't proof of jack. Go test it on a psy in white and black, then get back to me. k thx.

    Doesn't that include your own post as well? A paradox :O
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  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »
    blade tornado DOES hit through immunity in NW and TW. 100% and it also ignores def lvl. <- fix pls.

    magical shackle cant be purified and has a high as *** % chance to proceed <- fix pls

    the cleric crit debuff hits through immunity and deals pretty nice dmg <- fix pls

    any other OP skills?

    purging through tidal protection - good luck

    purging all psychic buffs - lolnope

    purifying soulbburn - lolnope

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  • Jacerai - Dreamweaver
    Jacerai - Dreamweaver Posts: 943 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Anyone else notice that the new barb forms have the same HP %?
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