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Kannone - Heavens Tear
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I've decided it'd be fun to finish leveling the barb I started 3 years ago and start playing it in NW.
Really my only goal is to be a devious, crafty, and fast... really fast flag runner. I don't spend too much money on gaming, so for builds I'm opting more for economical than OP (bang for the buck so to speak).
Here's what I've planned out so far
What do you guys and gals think?
Really my only goal is to be a devious, crafty, and fast... really fast flag runner. I don't spend too much money on gaming, so for builds I'm opting more for economical than OP (bang for the buck so to speak).
Here's what I've planned out so far
What do you guys and gals think?
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With magic rings and +10 m.res neck & belt, I wouldnt use sapphires as shards. Also full N3 set for bonuses for the win
. Also, N3 wep if there isnt some real reason behind hp wep. Same with that vit, if you arent catabarb, restat major part of it into str/dex to help with holding aggro - You got more than enough hp with that gear for PvE. Trolling Sid since So Hot
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WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »With magic rings and +10 m.res neck & belt, I wouldnt use sapphires as shards. Also full N3 set for bonuses for the win. Also, N3 wep if there isnt some real reason behind hp wep. Same with that vit, if you arent catabarb, restat major part of it into str/dex to help with holding aggro - You got more than enough hp with that gear for PvE.
Not... sure... you read the original post.
They're LF a pretty much NW only build for flag running. So sapphire shards are a good idea. I'd suggest they also get at least the 5 piece set bonus for G16 for the 15 def levels and go for a 2 stat tome (more stats means you can move more into vit, so a 7 stat tome instead of only a 5).
Other than that there's only so much you can do with little. That's a very decent build, but it still will wither in front of endgame casters that are hitting barbs for 30-40k.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
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I was gonna say lol 480 accuracy but then, yea basically a small-scale catabarb, then
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wow you guys had some great advice;
I had originally opted not to go full Nirv S3 because the speed boost from the boots and capes looked more desirable, but probably by switching out the cape I can save some coins and gain 15 defense levels.
I picked the axes just for the overall HP to coin ratio... but lately I've been thinking that I could use all these tokens I have built up to reroll a r8 weap, which is cheap enough, and with that + the 5-piece set bonus it's possible to get 50+ def levels.
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perfect token = 5m i think the cost to get a damascene
nw token = 1m something, just a thought.0 -
You can run flags regardless of gear if you do it right and are willing to burn a fairly cheap apoc. At least half of the time I run a flag, if I holy path at 90% of the flag dig and then use Charger, there's no one on my tail by the time apoc ends and it's a leisurely walk to the goal. If someone did manage to follow you, violent triumph will usually close the gap for you.
Gear matters more in terms of raw HP for damage soaking (like if you feel like pissing off the nearest wiz/psy for contrib :P) and if you want to hold out at the flag spawn with people trying to gank you. Once you have the flag though, you're really only an apoc and some decently timed jumps from the finish line regardless of gear.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »Not... sure... you read the original post.
They're LF a pretty much NW only build for flag running. So sapphire shards are a good idea. I'd suggest they also get at least the 5 piece set bonus for G16 for the 15 def levels and go for a 2 stat tome (more stats means you can move more into vit, so a 7 stat tome instead of only a 5).
Other than that there's only so much you can do with little. That's a very decent build, but it still will wither in front of endgame casters that are hitting barbs for 30-40k.
I dont got PvP experience yet but... I keep reading about casters 1 hitting barbs and stuff like that. Now the AA classes will get i guess something like 80% magic reduction vs the barbs 60% or so, but they also have half the HPs. Doesnt that mean they pretty much 1 hit any character, not just barbs ?0 -
Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »Not... sure... you read the original post.
They're LF a pretty much NW only build for flag running. So sapphire shards are a good idea. I'd suggest they also get at least the 5 piece set bonus for G16 for the 15 def levels and go for a 2 stat tome (more stats means you can move more into vit, so a 7 stat tome instead of only a 5).
Other than that there's only so much you can do with little. That's a very decent build, but it still will wither in front of endgame casters that are hitting barbs for 30-40k.
Actually, my point regarding sapphires really is effective health. Id say w/o doing effective health math that perfect citrine > perfect sapphire on that build, it already has a ton of m.res. Other discussion is if it`s worth it as sapphires are a lot cheaper option.
I did miss the whole flag carrier part though and with that in mind R8r hammer for def levels.Trolling Sid since So Hot0 -
HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »I dont got PvP experience yet but... I keep reading about casters 1 hitting barbs and stuff like that. Now the AA classes will get i guess something like 80% magic reduction vs the barbs 60% or so, but they also have half the HPs. Doesnt that mean they pretty much 1 hit any character, not just barbs ?
30-40ks without crit backed by quick debuffs are commonplace on toons with basic defense levels. Undine, Spark, etc rips your Mag Defense right out. Voodoo, Enrage, EP, etc can **** you vs Psys. Lucky Break + Faceroll can be self explanitory. Venos are yucky.
Hell I 20k barbs on my BM.
Gotta have decent Def levels if you want to survive being one shot really. Invoke and etc helps, but they'll just wait it out or CC you.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50 -
The sad fact is that attack level figures prominently in this. A TT99 psychic won't oneshot you, but a R9S3 psychic sure as hell will. When you hear stories of casters oneshotting people, I guarantee you that the greater part of that equation is massive attack level.HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »I dont got PvP experience yet but... I keep reading about casters 1 hitting barbs and stuff like that. Now the AA classes will get i guess something like 80% magic reduction vs the barbs 60% or so, but they also have half the HPs. Doesnt that mean they pretty much 1 hit any character, not just barbs ?
When it happens - and it will happen - just shrug it off and have a quick laugh at the poor fool who invested that much money and/or time in the game to be able to do that. Then laugh again because you got contrib for that encounter, too - and you didn't have to spend the money to do it. :P[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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What i mean is, Its not just barbs that get 1shotted right ? I would expect a barb to be about equilly able to take magic damage as an AA class. As it takes double the damage but has double the HPs. So that would mean pretty much any class get 1 shot at that level and its becomming mostly the one who shoots first wins ?0
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HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »What i mean is, Its not just barbs that get 1shotted right ? I would expect a barb to be about equilly able to take magic damage as an AA class. As it takes double the damage but has double the HPs. So that would mean pretty much any class get 1 shot at that level and its becomming mostly the one who shoots first wins ?
You need to factor in, that at equal or top end gearing levels, the 1 shot has to be setup - ie, typically debuffs need to happen. It's not a 1 shot fest all over the place. Add in defense levels, buffs, defense charms, pots, genie skills - it's not just going to happen that R9rr +12s one shot everything back and forth.*
*At least if +3 Attack level shards don't come out. Were not sure if that will make the game a 1 shot by Arcane fest.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50 -
Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »I've decided it'd be fun to finish leveling the barb I started 3 years ago and start playing it in NW.
Really my only goal is to be a devious, crafty, and fast... really fast flag runner. I don't spend too much money on gaming, so for builds I'm opting more for economical than OP (bang for the buck so to speak).
Here's what I've planned out so far
What do you guys and gals think?
I will introduce some new idea and also reiterate some of the ideas already mentioned.
Weapon
R8R weapon. This is one of the convenient way to achieve 20+ def level. It cost roughly 210 supply tokens + coins to forge and 12 tokens to recast (average 5 recast to get defence lvl). It also provides decent damage to kill off some scrubs so you could dig the flag in peace.
Speed v/s def lvl
I would personally not trade off def lvl for a bit of speed for 2 main reason:
1. Speed boost such as charger orb (in tiger form) & holy path will always push you to the max speed 15m/s. And with any good flag run, you will cover 75% of the distance with just those two. Any addition speed from gear would not have any effect on the max speed anyways.
2. In the remaining 25% distance (either at the start or at the end), the challenge (in most populated instances) is to break through heavy ganks while tanking the damage. You will be more happy to have +15 def lvl than +0.5m/s speed. Dead barbs cannot carry flags.
Rings
If you are not going for higher refines those rings, I would recommend changing them to sign of frost: chaos for 3 reasons:
1. The first sign of frost chaos beats the mag-def of the sign of antiquity (without having to spend anything on high refines)
2. Sell the could stir (or don't buy it if you dont have it yet), you will have enough money for another sign of frost: chaos + d-orb 10*, which will overall give more survival index from the additional Hp. (It generally advisable to refine all your armor to +10 first before even considering-getting high grade magic rings with high refines for survival index)
3. Do NOT ignore damage output. You will spend a lot of time NOT carrying flag. e.g chasing enemy flag carrier, fighting off spawn killers, protecting your team flag carriers, cleaning up the pit area while the flag hasn't respawn yet. Dealing damage and killing off people is what will give you an extra edge in ranking and personal credits.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »I've decided it'd be fun to finish leveling the barb I started 3 years ago and start playing it in NW.
Really my only goal is to be a devious, crafty, and fast... really fast flag runner. I don't spend too much money on gaming, so for builds I'm opting more for economical than OP (bang for the buck so to speak).
Here's what I've planned out so far
What do you guys and gals think?
tweaked your build slightly, to offer more defense levels and Hp, which are far more valuable to a flag carrier then Speed will be.
http://pwcalc.com/21d0738d31663b6d
1st Warsong belt cost around 22 mils to make and offers 1 def lvl, i would suggest you go for 2nd one since it cost 66 mils and offers 3 defense lvls.
Changed you to a full set of G16 armor for higher P.def and Set bonus.
Changed the wep to R8r wep for higher def lvl and more P.attack..
Changed Rings over to the 95 Frost Chaos. these offer a decent amount of M .res and give your character a much needed bump in accuracy.
Fiddle with Stats- > will not know your exact requirements until you roll your cape and helm to see what bonus you get.
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Everything seems to be covered so far pretty well.
What id personally do is:
Get a full set of G16 for the bonus.
Shard with citrines, i know your biggest defensive worry is arcanes but you cant forget about phys dd's as well so for this reason i would shard citrines.
Get the r8r wep with a good amount of def lvls
If you can afford it get the second stage warsong magic belt. If you cant afford it then go for the first.
Um get a cube magic necklace.
As for rings id get either CoA rings or sign of frost chaos rings.
Basically everything Beleni said.
But if your focusing on just NW then i would refine my armour before my wep. I know damage gets contribution but when your getting ganked while holding the flag id much rather have more hp than damage.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Thanks again for all the input guys, definitely provided some great perspectives and I learned a few things.
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Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »Thanks again for all the input guys, definitely provided some great perspectives and I learned a few things.
+10 irony points for the Barbarian forum being 1000x more civil than the wiz forums lol.
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I got officially too much time on my hands and it`s still too little to write proper wolf part =(.Trolling Sid since So Hot0 -
WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »I am a panda, fluffy and warm,
for some a teddy, loved by all,
We are cuddly, big and small,
fear us not, whoever you are!
Some are tigers, prowling world large,
Known for stripes, black on all,
Can be white, orange for some,
Looks like kitty, damn cute you are!
Wolf or not, friends we are,
cry here not, alone you arent,
all the help, you ever want,
ask with please and you shall receive!
Even the Lions, among us all,
work towards beauty, friendship of all,
furrier than most, yes they are,
still no reason, to point at all!
I got officially too much time on my hands and it`s still too little to write proper wolf part =(.
Thats awesome
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try using shadow binder pots intstead of using charger orbs yes there slower but u cant get stunned through them where as charger u can be stunned0
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Gongshow - Harshlands wrote: »try using shadow binder pots intstead of using charger orbs yes there slower but u cant get stunned through them where as charger u can be stunned
Those buffs can still be purged though, so you have to time it right.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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