Defense Levels Effects

Kiszmet - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Defense Levels and Attack levels work off of total damage. To my knowledge they are taken after effects from armor and protection charms.

For example if a BM hits your for 1000 damage and you have an armor resistance of 50% then the final calculation is 500 damage

If we include def and att levels, lets say the BM has 70 att levels (jones plus Nirv S3 weapon) and you have 0 Def levels then that 500 damage is multiplied to 850 (500 +70%)

If we throw in Def levels, Def levels are calculated with att levels before final damage is given so lets say you have 5 S3 Nirvy armor pieces with the +15 Def levels and O Malleys, another +15 Def levels, then we have 70 att levels - 30 Def levels for a total of 40% bonus damage from the BM equaling 700 in total damage.

Now what happens if you have more Def levels than the player has attack levels. Let's assume it's just Jones this time and you have a full set of S2 Nirvy +18 O Malley's +15 and 4 JoSD's +8 for a total of 41 Def levels. Then the BM will do 11% less damage to you (30 att levels - 41 def levels) for a total of 445 instead of 500.

Now to your question: would it be better to improve def levels over base attribute sharding? Well the answer comes down to where you are at with the attributes. If your attributes (say elem def) is low than sharding elem def shards would be better so long as you can achieve a moderate difference with the shards you put in. At low resistance scores this can be possible. This then reduces the base damage before Def levels and Att levels are taken into account. Let's take the BM example again and his 1000 damage. If we increase our phys def to 58% with garnets. His base damage is now 420. When the att and def levels come into play the total damage is now based off that 420 instead of 500 so that his extra damage would be less then if you had just an extra 8 def levels.

For example 500 base damage with 70 att - 48 def levels = 500 + 22% or 610 damage
420 base damage with 70 att - 40 def levels = 420 + 30% or 546 damage

In that example the garnets are the better choice with higher dividends being given against higher attack level bonuses. HOWEVER phys and elemental def are logarithmic and addtions to the stat become less effective the higher the stat gets. They usually cap at around 90% but after 75% or so single shards aren't going to do a whole lot of good. In those cases you get more of an effect by adding JoSD as it allows you to further decrease the damage you take by decreasing the damage bonus (or total damage taken if there isn't any bonus)

Also, it is important to note that def levels work against all damage, not just one kind, so they can be more effective than specific damage absorbers if both stats are already relatively high OR you have only a limited amount of shard slots available on your gear.

I hope this helps

bitewarrior wrote: »

oki I will simply and put in order all that was state earlier. cuz there is one major fact in thw whole math and like so you gotta to apply the basic fundamental. It is the order in which the equation is applied.


First, the usual attack and def base damage is apply like basic normal thing but in this instance the math is not the same as def lvl or att lvl, that mean 20 base phys don't reduce 20 phys damage the same apply to elemental resistance, it is another formula which i don't have and not necessary to understand the OP question.

So like it was said in previous post and the the stage that affect the final step of all the equation is the attack level versus defense lvl simple math the one that has the advantage get 1% for each def or att lvl they have more in their respective attribute. EG: 74 def vs 130 att lvl = 56% advantage in damage for the player that has the att lvl (applied on his base damage wheter elemental or physic) . Simple and easy so far.

Now, this is where it explain the confusion it is the other in which it is apply and the applicaiton of def or att lvl is not at the end but rather apply to you base defense or attack whetter physical or elemental. This what explain, if you take the time to make the test... that a jone's blessing does not make you hit 30% harder on someone EG: If you final damage was 10k on specific mod or player you will not hit him 13k with a jone's blessing.

It is highly affected by your base stats the higher is your base stats the higher the benefit. All in all you want to maximize your base stats at all time and just not sit on your def or att lvl and also explain why 100 att lvl or def lev does not output 100% more damge or reduce all damage.

P.S. You can bring any equation you want and play enistein but the truth and simple fact is that this is the basic understanding of defense or attack lvl it is all in the order it is apply.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

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