Raging Tide's TW state

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

What you do not understand is that fighting vs Vicious for me personally with low sign-ups on our behalf, with many undergeared people who still work on their gears, with no chance to win what so ever, is not a pleasant experience for me. I've been there for the last 1.5 years.

I will not feed Vicious kills in a fight w/o any hope of victory. That is my point of view and I have the courage to make it public. Like it or not, as I said, it is my point of view, personal one.

Dont give me **** about me making my own faction ...wtf is you business about me?
QQme is my home, I've sacrificed alot of time and energy for QQme and QQme is the reason I still play this game, because of the amazing people that are there.

kinda how vicious members feel about vicious? yet you're constantly asking us to disband for your sake xD Not only that but remember how it was when vicious got started? We fought, often times without any hope of victory at the end of the night. It was our persistence that paid off, js

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

What you do not understand is that fighting vs Vicious for me personally with low sign-ups on our behalf, with many undergeared people who still work on their gears, with no chance to win what so ever, is not a pleasant experience for me. I've been there for the last 1.5 years.

Again, why are u picking OP ppl outside of QQme or even WC for them for your NW squads? You are not helping in any way the 60 1 shots ppl in ur faction.

Whoever thought there is a Levi and Zoo merge going on, that is so wrong lol
We haven't had anyone from Zoo apply to Levi.
I doubt anyone would come over to Levi but i guess we'll see in the coming weeks

why still not respond my question about tower cost? u know, if u are a public service officer and u mark up price by adding 0 for the cost on building something. u can go to jail for corruption.

On serious Note: No, Tw cost is not that high, i remember u world chat QQme spent 50 mills for towers only in 1 TW. seriously, if QQme take off 40 mills from it and used it for TW payment. im soooo sure, many people will show up for TW.

Skai you and your faction mates do not understand one thing:


QQme now is not like Vicious back then.

We dont have the same type of people and we have different mentality.

QQme and Vicious are 2 different factions with different people.

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

What you do not understand is that fighting vs Vicious for me personally with low sign-ups on our behalf, with many undergeared people who still work on their gears, with no chance to win what so ever, is not a pleasant experience for me. I've been there for the last 1.5 years.

I will not feed Vicious kills in a fight w/o any hope of victory. That is my point of view and I have the courage to make it public. Like it or not, as I said, it is my point of view, personal one.

Dont give me **** about me making my own faction ...wtf is you business about me?
QQme is my home, I've sacrificed alot of time and energy for QQme and QQme is the reason I still play this game, because of the amazing people that are there.

Again. This is not about YOU.

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

QQme now is not like Vicious back then.

We dont have the same type of people and we have different mentality.

Well done, this is half the problem. Do you know if you keep telling yourself that something is such a way enough times you'll eventually start to believe it yourself.

Qqme is really not so far behind as you think. I'm not saying you don't know qqme. I'm sure you know them all much better than I do. But then again I probably know vicious that much better than you too.

If its your attitude that's the problem the first person you should be trying to change the attitude of is yourself and maybe it will set a better example rather than giving up and throwing your toys out of the pram saying you're not going to turn up to any vicious tw because if you're not going to do that then why should you go to nw or pk with vicious? And if you truly don't feel you can do that perhaps the challenge of beating vicious is too much for you and you should retire from the game.

I dunno zarkin. I doubt it.

Levi isn't even willing to put in the effort to give QQme a run for their money. Leaving me with doubts they have any ambition for #1 either. (Though they did attack us this weekend, maybe something's changed.)

I guess I could pose another question:

1. What is #1 to you?
2. Do you NEED to be #1 to have fun?
3. What's the best way to achieve #1?

Say, if I joined vicious. I'd be in the #1 faction then, right? Would that make me #1? It'd be the least-work approach to getting "#1" title. Or could I just say I'm the best geared cleric on the server. (I think?) So I'm #1 geared cleric? I'm done already?

Do I need to be #1 to have fun? Nope. I'm happy as long as I can have challenging battles.


Since Zarkin seems to be the level-headed in this discussion, let me pose a question. Not about QQme, but about me specificaly as a member... What *SHOULD* I be doing differently? I gear my character as best I can. I attend tourney and any PK event I can to try to improve. I even fought some vicious 9v3 or today to try to get some practice in. (Though mostly just got stomped.)

What more can *I* do to challange #1? Other than joining vici, which really wouldn't serve much purpose other than giving them yet another well geared R9 toon.

Maybe I'm one of the few, but I want to do *FUN* TWs again. I'll be honest in saying I doubt I'll find them in QQme. I doubt I'll find them in vicious either. I'm loyal to any faction I join... and that's why I won't just leave at the drop of a hat.


Oh, and to the person who said QQme "to return to their strength when they were on top"... We are FAR stronger in QQme now than we EVER were when we were #1. FAR stronger. QQme now could roll the #1 QQme in 5 minutes. We've all grown far stronger. But at the same time, while we ARE stronger, there is a new, even STRONGER faction there.

Although the question wasn't directed at me, I'mma go ahead and say that i think you answered your own questions there.
I think realistically since leviathan just came back it would be a stupid thing for them to just say "yeah let's gun for number one".
Having said that I don't think they're in it just for fun. I think they want to win. And I think they want to beat qqme.
You can say they can't be bothered as much as you like but what it really comes down to is what QQme is being accused of lacking in vs vicious.

Numbers, strategy, gear.

They're doing the best they can though it seems? And like you said they bid on you this week. Lets not also forget that Leviathan is made up if mostly ex-wanted members except for the r9 squad who came to you in qqme. They've beaten qqme before, tasted that victory. And I know for a fact that they liked it.
That all being said I think it's safe to assume that being number may not be the top priority right now but I'm sure competing at that level is on the agenda.

Moving onto my next point going onto something you said.

"You don't need to be number 1 to have fun"

This is absolutely true. BUT you can't deny that being in qqme this long you've experienced the ups and downs and the ups (for example perhaps when I was there and qqme were beating zoo in 3 hour tws or perhaps even before my time when qqme and vicious rivalry was when the factions were most equal in tw) are much better than the downs (for example right now).

Competing at a high level of tw that is representative of your gear which most of the server can agree is of the best of the best is pretty much the only way you're going to have fun in tw.

Otherwise, you might as well be in frantic or something (no offense them btw).

I mean, you didn't gear your char with the best gear and the best ornaments or the best gems with the best refines so you could tank tt90s or worse still not even attend tws by wining them.
You geared your char to be the best. And the best is best determined by competition. If you truly believe that you won't find this competition in qqme and therefore won't find this FUN in qqme or vicious for that matter but you can agree that vicious is the one to beat, why are you still there?
I mean the next best option is to leave qqme and join Levi to at least start leveling the playing field there between you and qqme which I'm sure in leviathans mind is the next stepping stone to vicious (except for maybe valk but ... Valk is valk... No offense valk).

I'm sure you won't be alone if you were to make this decision.

Now I'm sure someone is going to come along with some conspiracy theory about what I've just said about trying to weaken qqme by telling their most overpowered cleric to leave and go to Levi so that Vici can carry in rolling qqme because I'm in Vici and that automatically means I hate qqme. Believe what you want. I'm not going to waste my time justifying what ive written to someone as shallow as that. You know what I say is the truth here Arawin, and many other qqme members who can see past that stupid afore mentioned mindset.

Arawin - Raging Tide wrote: »

I dunno zarkin. I doubt it.

Levi isn't even willing to put in the effort to give QQme a run for their money. Leaving me with doubts they have any ambition for #1 either. (Though they did attack us this weekend, maybe something's changed.)

I guess I could pose another question:

1. What is #1 to you?
   
   Well I am framing all of this as number 1 faction, not person.
   
2. Do you NEED to be #1 to have fun?
   
   No you do not need to be number 1 to have fun.
   
3. What's the best way to achieve #1?
   
   Well as far as a faction goes it takes a lot. Dedication to each other as members, having the collective will to fight. A willingness to learn and grow, I could go on but you get the picture.
   

Say, if I joined vicious. I'd be in the #1 faction then, right? Would that make me #1? It'd be the least-work approach to getting "#1" title. Or could I just say I'm the best geared cleric on the server. (I think?) So I'm #1 geared cleric? I'm done already?

Yes, you would be in the number 1 faction, but that wouldn't make you number one. Thoes are 2 seprate things and should be looked at diffrently. Well if you have max gear you are done with that and that would make you number 1 in that respect.

Do I need to be #1 to have fun? Nope. I'm happy as long as I can have challenging battles.


Since Zarkin seems to be the level-headed in this discussion, let me pose a question. Not about QQme, but about me specificaly as a member... What *SHOULD* I be doing differently? I gear my character as best I can. I attend tourney and any PK event I can to try to improve. I even fought some vicious 9v3 or today to try to get some practice in. (Though mostly just got stomped.)

Well for you I wouldn't necessarily look inward for improvment (tho you always should). Look to your fellow faction mates, Who needs gear? What clerics can you give advice to? What other clases can you help? Maybe you can give a pep talk on your forums. If you do this already then great, if not thoes are a few ideas.

What more can *I* do to challange #1? Other than joining vici, which really wouldn't serve much purpose other than giving them yet another well geared R9 toon.

Well that depends on you personaly. If you feel you are doing all you can then no one can fault you for giving your all. Look to other people for suggestions. See where your faction is not up to snuff and go from there.

Maybe I'm one of the few, but I want to do *FUN* TWs again. I'll be honest in saying I doubt I'll find them in QQme. I doubt I'll find them in vicious either. I'm loyal to any faction I join... and that's why I won't just leave at the drop of a hat.

You're right, you shouldn't leave at the drop of a hat or join Vicious. Neither will get you to your goal.


Oh, and to the person who said QQme "to return to their strength when they were on top"... We are FAR stronger in QQme now than we EVER were when we were #1. FAR stronger. QQme now could roll the #1 QQme in 5 minutes. We've all grown far stronger. But at the same time, while we ARE stronger, there is a new, even STRONGER faction there.

I hope that helped answer some of your questions

In the first place Vicious might be different from QQme yes. In fact they are build for fighting the top faction and did that undergeared. They worked hard for the spot they are in atm. Key difference of Vicious and QQme is Vicious fights no matter what. that got them at the top. QQme gives up which leaves em no2 for now.

2nd For levi to be a good contender of the top factions its harder now then it was before. agree with me or not but playerbase is so much smaller and its very hard 2 get new and strong members. + a lot of ppl are working their ***** off in here for better gears but catching up with the total top factions is a lot harder now. + dedication to rule tw is a lot lower since there are more ways 2 have fun pk now. (NW FTW).

my 2cents

its not a vicious job 2 make better tw. its for the opposing factions. If they cant/dont they stay no1 simple

Ladyblondeh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Ofc that is also true but u dont see any1 else constantly judge others for not making it fun for them... they shud just stay where they are and stop asking for btr tw since that is how it is and will be

sure, QQme are not able to fight Vicious, although vici almost losing in tourney yesterday. But the funny part is we were not QQing for being number 1. But spell bragging about how QQme wiining in NW. like i said before, NW is not faction vs faction no matter what u look at it. and if u wanna brag about beating a faction, TW is the place

BungaSakura - Raging Tide wrote: »

sure, QQme are not able to fight Vicious, although vici almost losing in tourney yesterday. But the funny part is we were not QQing for being number 1. But spell bragging about how QQme wiining in NW. like i said before, NW is not faction vs faction no matter what u look at it. and if u wanna brag about beating a faction, TW is the place

Well he has alk the right to brag abouut nw succes so do you .. ur tje one mixing that bragging with tw.. no1 said anything bout twb:chuckle

Elvenne - Raging Tide wrote: »

Yea sure sit back while Vicious_Banks collects millions and lets not FORGET TW SEASON REWARDS that ONLY Vicious WILL get because YOU sit back and DO NOTHING.b:pleased

Yeah the uber pro useless wep u got last time so jellyb:chuckle and now that u dont even have to tw i assume u split territory looys to whole faction an nott just ones that wud tw.. so yeah divide that by 190 or so .. idm at allb:laugh but yes u did sumthin right as a faction now u get to reap benefits its only fair.. like i said only thing not fair is bashing spell and qqme over nothing.. if u wanna brag.. then brag.. just dont flame othersb:bye

Horugou - Raging Tide wrote: »

So I guess the question persists, what does QQme want?
Do they just want to be another faction doing TW for fun?
A TW (total war imo) faction like Vicious?
Or a family faction, which happens to be particularly powerful,
like Valk?

I'd ask the same of Levi and Zoo...
What kind of factions are you? Because Vicious doesn't want to
fight a faction that isn't prepared for it. It was build for war,
and war is what it does. While in Valk, I worked on values,
etc, because it is a family faction, and I tried to build up attendance to
trials and events etc, because that's what we did.
Vicious is build for war, fighting the strongest faction(s) on the server.
The rules state to attend TW no less than fully prepared for a 3 hour,
charms, gear, pots, apo, def charms. All in, or you're out.

So QQme, let us know, are you our rival? Or should we keep looking?
Because we've been catching signals that you want to be our rival, but
in the meantime, we get wined TW.

(I might be in Vicious for a week now, but I am confident this is exactly
what Vicious wants, an opponent that can give them 2-3 hours, week after week)

While victory is sweet, loss of a rival is not. Vicious: currently looking

Actions speak more than words overall a silly question but atm there isnt any1 fighting u .. so do the math... and asking about it... im sure u will notice an attack bid to ur territory if things were to change