Gems in armor

Panna_M - Dreamweaver
Panna_M - Dreamweaver Posts: 64 Arc User
edited March 2013 in Venomancer
Hello.
What gems r better to add to G16 armor: hp 115 or p.def 66/125 ?
Without buffs I have ~1k p.def, and I'm squishy (I know other venos have ~5k)
and ~5k hp - it's enough for me. But I always see, everybody have added hp gems.
So gem def. will not "protect" me from dying, and better have 7k+ hp without buffs or what ? b:pleased
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  • Kiszmet - Heavens Tear
    Kiszmet - Heavens Tear Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Depends on your build and your play style.

    Both will work. If you are uncertain try mixing and matching them and see which set you like better.
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    With that low of pdef, I'd go with garnets.
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  • y4kuzi
    y4kuzi Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    With that low of pdef, I'd go with garnets.
    I assume you mean citrines.
    You can have high physical defense, but with low HP it will not help at all.
  • Panna_M - Dreamweaver
    Panna_M - Dreamweaver Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Hmm... So then more hp then better ? Can have 10k hp and 2k p.def (with buffs) and will works good ? XD
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    No, I meant garnets. 5k HP isn't that low, but 1k pdef is very low. Cover your weakest point (there is or was a spreadsheet or something that would show break-even points for increasing HP or defenses somewhere. I think something Solandri made up.)

    I have 1kish pdef, 10kish mag def and just short of 4k HP in my channeling gear (60 rank top, sleeves of the sea captain, OHT pants, boots and -6% OHT ornaments, 101 morai heavy helmet) which is good enough for any mag attack (with heals where appropriate) but a 1- or 2-shot for phys attacks by heavy-hitting bosses.
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  • Panna_M - Dreamweaver
    Panna_M - Dreamweaver Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I agree with u Mayfly.
    Huhu, so what to do...?b:shockedb:surrender
  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Use garnet for p.def, when you will refine your gears you will get more hp by that.

    If you can post maybe a pwicalc so we can see what you can change. Cause 1k p.def and 5k hp is really low for G16. What ornaments and rings do you use? Neck, belt and ring, which cape and headgear?
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  • Panna_M - Dreamweaver
    Panna_M - Dreamweaver Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    stuff with channeling :p

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  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Panna_M - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    stuff with channeling :p

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    Lol ok it's why your def suck. I though 1k p.def and 5k hp was fraking low for G16 geared veno.

    Veno don't need chan, get protection ornaments.

    Sky demon pearl is good if you don't have a lot of money or you can easy farm the cube necklace. (plus that help your hp)

    For the belt, the culti belt is good if you don't have a lot of money or use a warsong belt if you can afford it.

    For the rings try to check for lunar or sky cover.
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  • Marengo - Lost City
    Marengo - Lost City Posts: 771 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Panna_M - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Hmm... So then more hp then better ? Can have 10k hp and 2k p.def (with buffs) and will works good ? XD
    It's 1shot b:chuckle 10k is useless with such def, you need balance. While increasing defence you will get less and less benefit from it, ~5k is optimal number unless you pvp a lot, but i suppose your g16 provides you some def lvl.
    If you can post maybe a pwicalc so we can see what you can change.
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  • y4kuzi
    y4kuzi Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Yes, just use protection ornaments and get your HP up, and you should be fine.
  • Kiszmet - Heavens Tear
    Kiszmet - Heavens Tear Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Okay, think I'll expand on what I said earlier

    Dont forget you can increase defense by refining protection ornaments and rings. Phys orn/rings = Phys def Elem orn/rings = elem def.

    Unless you get the really high gems, they arn't going to add that much to your bonuses. 4x6 sockets in gear = 24 gems 24 immac citrines is 1,200 hp 24 immac garnets is 1272 phys def

    if your funds and gear options are limited neither is going to change the feild a huge degree but you will prob get more bang for your coin going with garnets.

    Refines will get you better bonuses over the long run both with hp and resistances, so if you are having problems with your phys resistance trade up for phys defense ornaments and refine them.

    Another option is to understand that your phys def will never protect you from massive phys attacks (unless you go HA) and instead min/max by focusing on mag def and HP so that against other casters you have an HP advantage as quite a few of them also like to shard for phys def. Throw pet in there, give it some stun, cancel, and phys skills and you can became an anti caster nightmare.
  • SakuLv - Dreamweaver
    SakuLv - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,400 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I have same problem..i have very low phys def
    but if i want higher phys def i have to lose channeling-without it im rly slow on casting b:surrender
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  • Kymraja - Raging Tide
    Kymraja - Raging Tide Posts: 130 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    for what i experienced chan isn't a great deal in pvp, phis def is.

    Refine your gear to +6\7 like other people here said, go for Exclusive garnets, get the bound warsong belt, it's not expensive and any phis neck.

    You'll see melee suiciding on you then b:pleased

    I'm a 15k pdef veno buffed, i assure you'll enjoy your choice

    Edit: 15k human form ofc
  • helovesu
    helovesu Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    This build of equipments might be helping you out from your exhaustion :

    http://pwcalc.com/928fa80df199d1d3

    The combination of citrine and garnet shards
    The combination of chanelling and surviving

    Do not forget to allocate some CON to your status, that would be nasty

    - It is affordable and realistic
    - It gives an average chanelling time, which is -33%
    - It gives balanced HP and P.Def
    - It gives an average critical hit rate, which is 12%
    - It gives an additional Atk & Def Level
    - it Reduces Physical damage taken +7%
    - What's else?

    Eventually, it gives 7.3k HP and 4k P.Def
  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    helovesu wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.com/928fa80df199d1d3

    My +5 OHT geared veno has about the same defensive stats as that for a hell of a lot cheaper, lol...


    Anyway, I'm assuming OP means for PVP and not PVE. In which case, aim for something like this and then decide whether or not you want to go r9rr: http://pwcalc.com/17ff09d8dde71adc
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  • helovesu
    helovesu Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »
    My +5 OHT geared veno has about the same defensive stats as that for a hell of a lot cheaper, lol...


    Anyway, I'm assuming OP means for PVP and not PVE. In which case, aim for something like this and then decide whether or not you want to go r9rr: http://pwcalc.com/17ff09d8dde71adc

    Please show us then b:laugh
  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    In response to the people wearing -chan gear...

    Survivability is more important than casting fast. A dead DD is no DD.
    In my book, going for channeling while sacrificing HP and/or physical defence is a big no-no.

    My suggestion is to get two sets of ornaments & cape. Switch to the -channeling pieces if you're DDing a boss, AOEing mobs, pet tanking things etc. and you want-need faster channeling. Otherwise keep your HP/defence pieces on for strong boss AOEs, when you grab aggro from a lot of mobs, in PvP situations etc.

    Switching out gear may be annoying but it's really the best option. Maximize your survivability or DPS/DPH according to the situation you're in.


    At the OP - I'd also suggest sharding garnets. Put some protection ornaments on and refine them (Demon Sky Pearl and 4th OHT map/Chrono belt are good cheap choices) as well as refine your gear a little higher if possible (refining aid sale going on so you can take advantage of it!). I think you should try to get at least 3k physical defence unbuffed.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    SakuLv - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I have same problem..i have very low phys def
    but if i want higher phys def i have to lose channeling-without it im rly slow on casting b:surrender

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  • _Morigan_ - Harshlands
    _Morigan_ - Harshlands Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    for me...

    i feel squishy with 9,3k HP and 6k pdef..unbuffed human...

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