Do support classes get screwed over?
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I don't play my cleric in NW anymore. In fact since NW arrived, I hardly play pwi anymore. Without the highest gear, an amazing squad (who can all get into the same place at the same time) and a weapon of mass destruction, I haven't earned a thing whether helping the barb with the flag or spawn healing/buffing or even dying repeatedly (thanks archers...sigh) b:angry
So I'm building a mystic for NW and staying out of the game for now to avoid the mounting frustration. Totally annoyed at getting letters of reprimand after using a ton of mana to keep other players alive who aren't even in squad with me. The "team playing" isn't a benefit for clerics unless you know the team and the people in your squad. Additionally unless you have a high ranking, extremely geared toon, NW is a lot like TW if you don't pay to play you spend the majority of the time dying excessively.
Don't get me wrong, still love the game but honestly without a toon that kills instead of heals, I really don't see the point of going into NW on a toon that is designed to heal. Unfortunately, I haven't played long enough to know how to kill anything anyway, I've spent all my play time learning how to heal, rez, buff and for the most part keep a team alive... perhaps that was a waste of time (although I've heard a lot of ppl complain about DD clerics in normal play, it seems that is the only cleric that will receive tokens in NW).
Being a "healing" cleric is certainly not rewarded in most areas of PWI, it's as if clerics are a charity case in this game. Unless the team likes you and bestows gifts upon you, rewards for effort are few and far between. In that regard, NW is just like the rest of the game so rather than complain about it, I'll make a fighting toon for NW and save my cleric for when my guild needs help. Makes sense to me anyway. Oh well.... that was my 13 cents on the topic
oh and yeah, I think the support classes are getting screwed over, but not just in NW, in the game in general. Of course, there's not a realistic way to determine the "weight" of a heal so I suppose the designers are doing the best they can considering it's a fighting game.0 -
or you could use a toon that takes damage i get maybe 5 kills in nw and i still make up too 100 tokens atleast[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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A smart cleric can get 10k+ contribution easily without attacking once. You just have to understand how contribution works.0
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FaIIyn - Lost City wrote: »A smart cleric can get 10k+ contribution easily without attacking once. You just have to understand how contribution works.
Could you please elaborate your claim?Zsw -104 Sage Assassin
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Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »Could you please elaborate your claim?
Probably cleric R999+12 full Jades that can survive everything by healing themselves non stop.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Vansloten on LostCity does nothing but follow me around keeping me alive all of NW and consistently gets 9k to 12k.
His gear is rather average. 2 pieces r8 recast, the.rest 2nd and third cast nv.
None of his refines are higher than +7 i think[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Is helping nation win important, yes. Buts it is all about the TOKENS!!!!!! Clerics, put all those heals on yourself and dd. If you want to be a heal and buff slave take your 30 tokens and go home.0
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FaIIyn - Lost City wrote: »An uber geared cleric can get 10k+ contribution easily without attacking once. You just have to understand how contribution works.
Fixed.
I think under 100 and not well geared clerics with perhaps no squad get screwed over.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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^ but please, for the love of god, read the first page before making requests (UPDATED)0 -
there is point distubution thread somewhere but...hp healed and hp gained are two big factors. a healing cleric will not only gain conti for themselves but also for the person they are healing. also possibly the biggest conti gainer is dealing and taking damage from higher soulforce people.
when/if i fight someone like Sun i gain massive amounts of conti simply by being killed or killing him or dealing/taking damage.0 -
I'm a full support cleric in NW. With the right supportive squad, I easily get 10k+ contri and 130+ tokens depending on which nation I'm in.
I've been in squads that were too supportive, where I was never receiving damage because I was too protected and never able to deal any damage because the DD was too offensive.. I barely got anything.
I've also been in squads where I tanked and healed a ****load of damage and still barely got any points, because the squad wasn't playing for the nation, they were playing for personal contri.
I think it all depends on the squad, their communication, and the right level of support. If you have the mentality of "support classes are screwed over in this, so why bother doing my job" you're not going to get very far. I played a +12 r9 wizard twice in NW, dealt and tanked a ton of damage and got less tokens than I did on my cleric.
I heal people tanking damage, I heal myself, I buff anyone and everyone that needs it, and I occasionally kill the annoying **** geared player poking me when I have the chance.
My cleric is +6 stage 3 nirvy and +6 r8r weapon, so the claims of uber gear are pointless.0 -
deadwieght wrote: »there is point distubution thread somewhere but...hp healed and hp gained are two big factors. a healing cleric will not only gain conti for themselves but also for the person they are healing. also possibly the biggest conti gainer is dealing and taking damage from higher soulforce people.
when/if i fight someone like Sun i gain massive amounts of conti simply by being killed or killing him or dealing/taking damage.
Really?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Originally Posted by RunningTiger - Dreamweaver View Post
As far as I know it isn't actually confirmed, but it seems to hold true. You need to be in 3 winning battles or you don't get tokens regardless of contri.
Not true, I've been in the losing Nation and got tokens. I guess just the people with low contribution don't get tokens. (like 2k and less)Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »Not true, I've been in the losing Nation and got tokens. I guess just the people with low contribution don't get tokens. (like 2k and less)
Uhhh Actually this IS true. I had well over 3k contribution for one nation war that I attended and fully participated in the full 2 hours but I received NO tokens. I even sent in a ticket to customer service to ask why I didn't receive any tokens and they told me that I must have not been in enough WINNING battles. I had this poor tendency to leave a battle that was 20 vs 0 because I wanted to be where the fights were, to receive points. I no longer leave the 20 vs 0 battles because I need to be in a few winning ones in order to receive tokens.0 -
AshIynne - Sanctuary wrote: »Uhhh Actually this IS true. I had well over 3k contribution for one nation war that I attended and fully participated in the full 2 hours but I received NO tokens. I even sent in a ticket to customer service to ask why I didn't receive any tokens and they told me that I must have not been in enough WINNING battles. I had this poor tendency to leave a battle that was 20 vs 0 because I wanted to be where the fights were, to receive points. I no longer leave the 20 vs 0 battles because I need to be in a few winning ones in order to receive tokens.
I never leave a battle, cause there's chance to get back in base and than you lose time to go back in a war, which actually by the time you arrive at the new war the one you left is done. Plus it's risky if you get back in base and base is lock you just lose a lot of time.
It's why in a 20 vs 0, people need to let BAR/VENO or fast class bring the flag to finish the war ASAP, some people think ''oh no enemy I'll pick the flag'' than they go wrong way, don't have speed buff or pots, so take 5 minutes just to bring the flag one time and make everyone lose a precious time.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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