NW Sin Strategy

What Saku said.

As for within a war, stealth is your biggest advantage in group PvP, and use that to take out key players, such as clerics. When the opposing team has the flag, focus on locking that player.

*shows up with 177 stealth detection pots on my bm*

Never assume you are invisible. Especially if you are below 103.

I had a poor sin last week tried to kill me from stealth but as soon as I anti-stunned he tried to shadow escape. I popped a stealth detection, stunned him, killed him. He then respawned right by me, stealthed, and ran right at me so I killed him again. Decided he's gone after me twice so I sprinted around the spawn points and tab targetted him in stealth only a little bit away, rebuffing and painting himself. So I killed him a third time. I used 1 stealth pot and killed him 3 times in about 25 seconds. Felt bad but also thought it was funny.

Also have a cleric friend who told my she spams anti-stealth pots. A little bit later she said "There's a sin going for you Saku. When he's next to you I'll toss a pdef debuff on him." So I stopped, stood still for 2 seconds and then a debuffed sin appeared right by me, which I apsed to death in about .8 seconds. Some characters spam stealth pots.

I stealth with shadow walk, weild in my stronger hitting daggers Ocean Supreme Daggers and chill of the deep. So I buff deaden nerves whenever I think "Im going to be in action on the next 2'' 30' ".
My main strategy is to go stealthing and get the ones I judge faster to kill, those usually happen to be Archers, APS Sins, Clerics, Non-OP Wizards/Psys/mystics and venomancers. When I get to them, I start with a quick deepsting and chain with headhunt, then If I have 1 spark left, I do lv 11 slipstream strike which is a hard hitting skill and chain to throatcut and tackle slash. By that most classes are already dead for I crit for up to 10k on some arcane users and 6k on many LA users with my crappy +6 R8 daggs.

If my target uses Any imunity after headhunt Ill watch and see if its a 5s or a 8s imunity, for 8s imunity I absolute domain right after my target gets out of stun and time his imunity, if my target flees without antistun, shadow teleport and keep chain, otherwise I run for them watching the time when they'll stop, shadow jump and throatcut. If target flees for more than 12s or something and I figure that I'm surrounded I just stealth away and sneak over that target again. OFC, sometimes that target has spy pots... but if he used 8s imunity he cant use spy pot for the next 1 minute or something.

I Always trace all my schemas before going to nw, and I Always use early experiences to improve my tactics.... For example I marked PimpShot and FayHumming faces, I wont attack anybody close to them nor I will attack them, unless my nation REALLY needs me to.
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Sometimes I follow a target for about 3 minutes until it finally stops to kill something, then I double spark, inner harmony, deep sting, headhunt. It's fast enough, target won't have reflexes to imune before headhunt is dealt, If my target still lives, Earthen rift will be pretty nasty to them.
Sometimes I get into the heat and Tangle Mire, Subsea and Rift. I often die after doing that but I often kill 2 or 3 with it XD
When I happen to target a seeker or bm, I wear chill of the deep off and put **** thorns in. Stun, tangle mire, condensed thorn.
Its all about planning, you must plan your steps before you actually face your target. Dueling those classes will help a lot to know what they can do to survive to you and what they cant.

In NW I mostly use Focused Mind because I have real crappy gears and that sage FM helps me a lot, still I dont have lv 11 tidal protection, hence why.

I plan on making full g16 gears to have higher hitting skills and crit chances, as im making lunar based ones, I can later use them on an archer.

If you have the chance, get the lv 11 shadow escape, focused mind, tidal protection, deaden nerves, dagger devotion, maze steps. Sage or demon, these are the most useful skills on lv11. Throatcut, Headhunt and Slipstream strike are the hardest hitting skills on lv 11.

Important: good sins knows when to GTFO and they never die in vain.
Remember: The sin role is all about patience and strategy.

honestly, i've been experiment cod in pve and pvp and it does somewhat do a lot more damage but at the same time, the damage might not even be noticeable to most people unless the target doesn't die in 1 hit when it should've which then goes back to whether you would've zerk/critted or not. I can still zerk crit average geared players 10-18k w/out cod w/out having r9, maybe the difference would be there if that player stacked defense lvls.

Aps out DDs by far a CoD in NW since it's about dealing damage and tank. Imagine facing a barb, Seeker or BM. You will deal by far more damage as Aps, maybe tank less but Assassins are mostly for dealing damage.

I'm r9rr wpn with pure DoT full aps and got 22k points today in NW. Since I deal pretty huge damage to most Arcanes I dont need to do more then use whirlwind + aps or just zerk/crit (or zerk+crit) a knife throw. Could probably try to record a NW on my sin but idk because my computer is already laging as it is.

Thought u had full aps gear also? That's what I saw in your very first youtube videos. But I will still stick to aps much more then CoD in NW.

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

When I do nation war on my sin (cleric is base locked from time to time lol), I never bother using chill. Even if an arcane does have purify on their weapon, if you catch them off guard, dps still works anyways. They aren't really that much less *squishy* than before, just a lot harder to keep pinned down. I did kill one of the servers, pardon me, the server's best geared wizard once with a triple spark power dash combined with occult ice, and his purify weapon did proc, but he still died before got out of my dagger range.

3 spark + PD = faceroll b:laugh

use full nirvana 3rd or r9 or r9r2, sage tidal protection, dig flag, Holy path just before, then use a charger orb then use windpush and then maze steps and u r at flag point. Chances are no one will be anywhere near you unless they are camping the flag point and their first reaction is to stun, stop u moving and you should have maze steps on by that point and because you are capturing the flag without much or any damage you won't get much personal contribution for that battle but it's a good way of pushing forward quickly or when you are outnumbered. Also don't do this if you are gonna get one shot by an archer or any arcane class or if there is a friendly barb close by able to dig. b:surrender

My next strategy is to lvl my skills,ty for asking b:laugh

For a quick test I'll sometimes pull the bow and hide behind a tree or some obstruction. If a few shots from my tt99 trips charm, laugh, switch weapons, and go in for the kill.

If hp loss is equivalent to shooting Dwayne Johnson with a nerf dart, shadow escape and get out of there. This seems to work better against AA and LA opponents. This isn't always super effective but it's something I've tried a few times especially if you have ST on cooldown and stop them if they try to run. With the range of a bow you can stay just outside most aoe stun ranges, obviously this is dumb to do with long range dd, but, the momentary confusion is usually enough and will keep you out of a 1v1 with a much better geared opponent.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've actually seen sins have more success on my team and against me when they were support, rather than attack. It's a tactic I'd suggest to anyone.

For instance, BM on your team runs towards a cleric. You know that BM is probably going to start with a stun so the cleric won't kite/plume shell. So get to the cleric and be ready to dd when the stun lands. Now its 2v1 and the cleric is almost guaranteed to die.

Or two ranged players are fighting. Get in on that, make it a 2v1 where people are going to ignore you because you're in too close for them to do full damage while they're still being attacked by someone.

Or people have gather around one tank person: Double spark+subsea+earthen rift then tele away. You'll prolly be able to kill a couple people and save the tank on your side.

Sins get in too much trouble nowadays trying to 1v1 with poorer defenses. Create a team situation by using things like stealth, reading situations, or teleing quickly to were a fight is already happening then use your control skills to make sure you don't get hit while people are fighting.

^This
Saku you are a genius. This is what I have been doing lately (albeit subconsciously) and my prize from each NW has doubled.
Maybe for mass pvp like NW and TW we need to see ourselves as a support class?