Not a complain but not happy about it either
RyuTiger - Raging Tide
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Just want to point something out. I realize there is nothing to do in game. Just wanna take 1 instance at a time. The biggest problem is that there is no drop on the game when it comes to coins.
1.TT FARM- It is worth only to get mirage chest. The problem is that gold is very very low chance to get and trust me I did 10-13 runs per day and many days no gold at all (TT 3-1). If no one buys your mats, you cant make coins. I seen the sell is very bad at mats this days.
2.FULL WARSONG- Is it very good because you can get molds for T3 gear BUT there are no coins wining from there, no drop what so ever. I seen T3 gear and molds are very hard to sell , not to say you need tons of badges to farm some. You spend to much money on herbs and charm to farm and low chance to get a good mold.
3.BH- This is the best thing left in the all game to make. Good chance to get money and even if you dont get you can sell the nirvana tali and get mirages or substance.
4.AEU- It is way way to hard to make and people ask for R9 only there but even if you get into a squad, you spend way to much coins on herbs and at finish you get a chest with very very low chance for a book. I never go again after 30+ runs and no books.
5.FULL DELTA- It is not very hard to make but the problem is when is not X2 very few old book page drops and at X 6 people you have very low chance to get a book that cost 500k and you spend more on herbs then you sell the 500k book. It also take 2 hours and for 500k-1MIL is not worth it. It was before they take our money drop
6.TW- I have no idea what to do then and if you personally win something from it. I mean "me" not the leader of faction. I dont have faction so I really cant say what you win.
7.NW- Before they close Nirvana i did very good coins from Nirvana. I like NW but the problem is I dont have R9 to make over 100+ tokens. I take minimum 25 (last place order) and max 120 tokens. Is it worth it just if you want to make raps and make gear for yourself but if you want to make raps and sell....no way! Charm, herbs, apo herbs for( take less dmg, stun etc), repairs....Only HP charm cost 7 MIL. So what do I win if i spend few MIL on all that stuff and get only 80 tokens? I rather buy raps with coins and dont go to NW at all. Only money from charm 7-8 MIL i buy many raps because the price is 150k each. NW so so not worth it !
8.FC- we all know there is where you level. But it takes so so long after 102 lvl that it drives me crazy! Again no coins what so ever there, just make lvl and go home. Of course if you want to sell heads....good luck with that. 150k head if people still buy. Last few months no one buys or sell anymore.
So that is what the game is about. I play the game because I want to play not stay in the city and be "bored looking for something to do"
My point to all of this is that we need new instance with some coins drop so we really farm coins not items that no one buys. Even rich people who buy packs for example sometimes stay catshops for months and dont sell anything. I really think we need coins as in COINS not items that MAYBE we can sell some day.
Thank you for your time in reading and nothing any of you say cant change my mind that there is nothing that worth in this game except maybe stay with friends and chat after do daily BH.
1.TT FARM- It is worth only to get mirage chest. The problem is that gold is very very low chance to get and trust me I did 10-13 runs per day and many days no gold at all (TT 3-1). If no one buys your mats, you cant make coins. I seen the sell is very bad at mats this days.
2.FULL WARSONG- Is it very good because you can get molds for T3 gear BUT there are no coins wining from there, no drop what so ever. I seen T3 gear and molds are very hard to sell , not to say you need tons of badges to farm some. You spend to much money on herbs and charm to farm and low chance to get a good mold.
3.BH- This is the best thing left in the all game to make. Good chance to get money and even if you dont get you can sell the nirvana tali and get mirages or substance.
4.AEU- It is way way to hard to make and people ask for R9 only there but even if you get into a squad, you spend way to much coins on herbs and at finish you get a chest with very very low chance for a book. I never go again after 30+ runs and no books.
5.FULL DELTA- It is not very hard to make but the problem is when is not X2 very few old book page drops and at X 6 people you have very low chance to get a book that cost 500k and you spend more on herbs then you sell the 500k book. It also take 2 hours and for 500k-1MIL is not worth it. It was before they take our money drop
6.TW- I have no idea what to do then and if you personally win something from it. I mean "me" not the leader of faction. I dont have faction so I really cant say what you win.
7.NW- Before they close Nirvana i did very good coins from Nirvana. I like NW but the problem is I dont have R9 to make over 100+ tokens. I take minimum 25 (last place order) and max 120 tokens. Is it worth it just if you want to make raps and make gear for yourself but if you want to make raps and sell....no way! Charm, herbs, apo herbs for( take less dmg, stun etc), repairs....Only HP charm cost 7 MIL. So what do I win if i spend few MIL on all that stuff and get only 80 tokens? I rather buy raps with coins and dont go to NW at all. Only money from charm 7-8 MIL i buy many raps because the price is 150k each. NW so so not worth it !
8.FC- we all know there is where you level. But it takes so so long after 102 lvl that it drives me crazy! Again no coins what so ever there, just make lvl and go home. Of course if you want to sell heads....good luck with that. 150k head if people still buy. Last few months no one buys or sell anymore.
So that is what the game is about. I play the game because I want to play not stay in the city and be "bored looking for something to do"
My point to all of this is that we need new instance with some coins drop so we really farm coins not items that no one buys. Even rich people who buy packs for example sometimes stay catshops for months and dont sell anything. I really think we need coins as in COINS not items that MAYBE we can sell some day.
Thank you for your time in reading and nothing any of you say cant change my mind that there is nothing that worth in this game except maybe stay with friends and chat after do daily BH.
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About the instance not repaying you back for what you used in there, don't complain about that, it's PWI, don't expect to be payed back for everything you do.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »About the instance not repaying you back for what you used in there, don't complain about that, it's PWI, don't expect to be payed back for everything you do.
Yes you are so right. The problem is not that coins drop dont exist but the instances are made for very good gears. If I had R9 +10 i will not do TT, Full Delta or Warsong anymore because I dont need anymore the molds. It will be better if the bosses be made for average people with decent gear not just full T3 or R9 because that means that the game is made only for people with perfect gear and the rest can stop playing because without real money no one take you to instance and give you a chance for drop and become better. If R9 was cheaper I will sure buy but I am not spending my 10H a day work on R9 cuz they wanna get rich by it and the only thing you do even if you get R9 is PK cuz you dont need nothing else after R9 to farm anymore and PK is not my thing. That is why I play on PVE server.
I wanna play the game, fight in squads , kill mobs and bosses, and at the end of playing day i wanna see coins in my inventory cuz we all want rewards for our work just like in real life.0 -
If you aren't getting a good amount of tokens from NW, it's you not your gear.
My gear is G13 or less, with one G15. It's basically all 3 years old, never been touched since then. I'm a melee with less than 7K health, and my axes are +5 Calamity Axes.
That said last 2 NW I made 146 and 147 tokens, and before I started paying attention to my contri would still earn 9X tokens per match. And I am looking to beat 150, as I refine my playing strategy.0 -
Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »If you aren't getting a good amount of tokens from NW, it's you not your gear.
My gear is G13 or less, with one G15. It's basically all 3 years old, never been touched since then. I'm a melee with less than 7K health, and my axes are +5 Calamity Axes.
That said last 2 NW I made 146 and 147 tokens, and before I started paying attention to my contri would still earn 9X tokens per match. And I am looking to beat 150, as I refine my playing strategy.
How did you made so much? My best friend is T3 weapon +10 sin 5 aps and he get 70 tokens only. I have no idea how people take so much. I also have a neighbor cleric friend and she takes 30-40 tokens. She is R8 and she just have weapon and 3 more pieces T3. I really dont know. I like NW is fun but not worth it from coins point of view b:cry0 -
RyuTiger - Raging Tide wrote: »4.AEU- It is way way to hard to make and people ask for R9 only there but even if you get into a squad, you spend way to much coins on herbs and at finish you get a chest with very very low chance for a book. I never go again after 30+ runs and no books.
5% chance for a book in aeu boxes... so its about a 21% odd of no books from 30 boxes.
.01% chance for flame orb in dragon fire boxes... about a 14% chance of no flame from 20k boxes.
85% chance of 1 int in g16 dag recast... about a 4% chance of no int from 21 recasts.
There are some of us with worse luck... and don't complain as much.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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I won't argue that dailies need to be made more significant in terms of rewards, but the idea that only high endgame can access farming instances is a noobish one. I do realize that hyper efficient farming may now be seen as the only cost/time effective way to run them, but what we need is some work on making them more fun and challenging (in terms of tactics, teamwork, strategy) rather than simply adding more HP and effects to bosses. A full overhaul to the way endgame works is certainly needed, the ower creep in gearing now necesitates content be made for R9+ players that they can't abuse while overhauling the stuff that's available for lower gears, but this is just something more on a long queue of pending work and certainly not at the top in terms of priorities, especially considering how hostile this game has become to new players.0
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That suck cause now it's again only melee that can farm TT, casters cannot do it. They should make a caster version of TT. PWI must hate ranged and caster, melee APS always have the good side of farming.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RyuTiger - Raging Tide wrote: »How did you made so much? My best friend is T3 weapon +10 sin 5 aps and he get 70 tokens only. I have no idea how people take so much. I also have a neighbor cleric friend and she takes 30-40 tokens. She is R8 and she just have weapon and 3 more pieces T3. I really dont know. I like NW is fun but not worth it from coins point of view b:cry
You actually answered your own question....he's a +10 T3 Sin in APS gear, and shes a R8 cleric. Neither is awesome at making tokens unless played specifically at gaining contribution in NW.
Check the NW threads in the NW section about how to best gain points (Mag's thread is very number centric and shows true). There is a method to gaining good contribution.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50 -
here we go with the "melee only" instances againMarine - Marshall - Raging Tides - Retired
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Is true. No one ask in TT for a mag class. I think soon the game will have only sins. There are 80% sins on game anyway. All i am saying is that is very very hard to make coins. They take Nirvana, they take coins from Delta, they take the drop in TT at single mode, they take the gold drop and dont tell me not because 2 years ago I farm like crazy TT and at almost every run I had 1 gold drop and now there is non after 10 runs and not to say they take the coins from DQ items to. I cant remember right now what else they take from us but is not getting better.0
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MAG-DD's may not be normally invited to TT3-'s... But Clerics and their Pury's are a still a greatly appreciated gift in them (Sometimes we'd like to have even more of them on squad) since we Phys DD's got so many times that we end up getting sleep'd in there so much, that it really gets pathetic...
So not all Mag users are left out of squads in the TT3-'s...lolol
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RyuTiger - Raging Tide wrote: »7.NW- Before they close Nirvana i did very good coins from Nirvana. I like NW but the problem is I dont have R9 to make over 100+ tokens. I take minimum 25 (last place order) and max 120 tokens. Is it worth it just if you want to make raps and make gear for yourself but if you want to make raps and sell....no way! Charm, herbs, apo herbs for( take less dmg, stun etc), repairs....Only HP charm cost 7 MIL. So what do I win if i spend few MIL on all that stuff and get only 80 tokens? I rather buy raps with coins and dont go to NW at all. Only money from charm 7-8 MIL i buy many raps because the price is 150k each. NW so so not worth it !
Instead of buying a charm, buy a 30 day auto recovery. Cost less and works just as good (and last must longer). The auto-recovery stone works the same as a charm when you respawn by clicking crab/herb for you. When I first started doing NW I was using a charm, but it was not cost effective. I'm only level 85 and I was burning through it insanely fast. You must change the way you play when you go in uncharmed; each individual fight you have to make the decision do I stand my ground or run away. Because of me making better decisions on when to fight and when to run I saw my contribution increase quite a bit. I was no longer just rushing in hoping the charm would save me, but putting quite a bit of strategy into my play. And it also made it way more fun.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RyuTiger - Raging Tide wrote: »4.AEU- It is way way to hard to make and people ask for R9 only there but even if you get into a squad, you spend way to much coins on herbs and at finish you get a chest with very very low chance for a book. I never go again after 30+ runs and no books.
This made me lol b:laugh Im no r9, nor g16, and i can get lots of AEU runs. Only stuff i use are a few free mp pots from the divine orders. And even if i dont get a book as reward i get apot stuff, which sometimes (depends on which you get) can be catshopped for a few bucks too...0 -
Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »Instead of buying a charm, buy a 30 day auto recovery. Cost less and works just as good (and last must longer). The auto-recovery stone works the same as a charm when you respawn by clicking crab/herb for you. When I first started doing NW I was using a charm, but it was not cost effective. I'm only level 85 and I was burning through it insanely fast. You must change the way you play when you go in uncharmed; each individual fight you have to make the decision do I stand my ground or run away. Because of me making better decisions on when to fight and when to run I saw my contribution increase quite a bit. I was no longer just rushing in hoping the charm would save me, but putting quite a bit of strategy into my play. And it also made it way more fun.
Great minds think alike. That is exactly what i did b:victory
I like the stone because you can set the % how much you want to. For example I have seeker with sage vortex and with charm I cant stay vortex I have to click the herbs over and over almost instant when they recharge or else I cant vortex. I have 3k in MP because other wise there is no chance I can vortex without interruption. I have the stone and set it for 90% and I can stay vortex all day. Only smart people buy the stone instead of a 8 MIL charms.0 -
you really dont need a charm or many pots in NW when i was in my level 80 trash gear i was able to make 10-15mil jsut fine with no charm no apos other than crab and herb and only about 50 each plus a few pots i hold onto from wahtever drops[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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RyuTiger - Raging Tide wrote: »Great minds think alike. That is exactly what i did b:victory
I like the stone because you can set the % how much you want to. For example I have seeker with sage vortex and with charm I cant stay vortex I have to click the herbs over and over almost instant when they recharge or else I cant vortex. I have 3k in MP because other wise there is no chance I can vortex without interruption. I have the stone and set it for 90% and I can stay vortex all day. Only smart people buy the stone instead of a 8 MIL charms.
where do i get one of those at?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »5% chance for a book in aeu boxes... so its about a 21% odd of no books from 30 boxes.
.01% chance for flame orb in dragon fire boxes... about a 14% chance of no flame from 20k boxes.
85% chance of 1 int in g16 dag recast... about a 4% chance of no int from 21 recasts.
There are some of us with worse luck... and don't complain as much.
I don't think the point is that he is complaining. The real point here is a matter of "Is the instance worth it" of for that matter the end game worth it. I have 7 100+ and no r9 gear. Whats after r9. Nothing. Will the game have challenge ?? no!. Is it worth my time to farm for coin to get gold. No. Is the instance rewarding enough to make me want to go into it. No. Then why play the game ?? To chat with ppl.
My playing has dropped off to only a couple hours now. Working on gearing out some r8r cause its reasonable and for pve still leaves challenge. Yes i know about T3, but the way the mold drop. Im not super interested in it.
nw. s2 nirvy , r8r , all good enough. still fun. Veno uses the less charm, barb the most.
TT only go in if i need something for one of my many alts and only usually on x2.. my vaults are full.
So is the game compelling us or rewarding us to play. The answer is.. it must not be. Starting area is void of new players. I myself am drifting more and more to other games.
Only waiting to see if veno gets something new. Will come back and check pwi im sure, but lets face it. compared to the others its old and very limited. so new content would be great and i hope its a bit more. hell raise the level cap to 150 and roll in a bunch of new armor.. that would set the servers on fire.
into crazy builds now.. and some actually work out fun.. HA Sage Sin... lol fail and FUN!!!! its a vanishing tank.
The game just needs to keep evolving and to remove the blocks for new players.. like no dq resale value.. that hurts when it comes to skill buying time. if they reduce the cost of skills .. that will work.0 -
RyuTiger - Raging Tide wrote: »4.AEU- It is way way to hard to make and people ask for R9 only there but even if you get into a squad, you spend way to much coins on herbs and at finish you get a chest with very very low chance for a book. I never go again after 30+ runs and no books.
AEU has become my main dungeon for money. My faction runs at least 3-4 runs a day, but when we're into "mood", we do more runs b:victory
But TT has become so annoying to do. I have tons of green mats, they are easy to farm during 2x, but Gold mats just won't drop. Either my luck is so low, or game is just that broken, but out of 15 runs in 3-1, while 2x is on, and no Gold mat drop, I feel very disappointing and angry. I spent a lot of time to get absolutely nothing.0 -
CroPsy - Heavens Tear wrote: »AEU has become my main dungeon for money. My faction runs at least 3-4 runs a day, but when we're into "mood", we do more runs b:victory
But TT has become so annoying to do. I have tons of green mats, they are easy to farm during 2x, but Gold mats just won't drop. Either my luck is so low, or game is just that broken, but out of 15 runs in 3-1, while 2x is on, and no Gold mat drop, I feel very disappointing and angry. I spent a lot of time to get absolutely nothing.
You are right about the TT. The gold drop is very very low. I spend hours in TT and get nothing either. I am angry to. I'm just waiting for the new Update on game who knows maybe my wife is gonna make a veno0 -
I don't think the point is that he is complaining. The real point here is a matter of "Is the instance worth it" of for that matter the end game worth it. I have 7 100+ and no r9 gear. Whats after r9. Nothing. Will the game have challenge ?? no!. Is it worth my time to farm for coin to get gold. No. Is the instance rewarding enough to make me want to go into it. No. Then why play the game ?? To chat with ppl.
I like my way of get on... hang out a bit... maybe a bh here or there. Maybe get on for nation wars if it fits my time. Get on for TW if its interesting and I actually have time for it. Still get s2 gear because I can. Wonder around warsong a bit and now I have all the molds for r9 arch/sin nirv robe/la. Too lazy to farm enough badges to do a proper recast. Seems pretty fun/decent for a game.
Regarding the auto recovery stone thing. Its nice to have, but it'll never replace a charm. Crab heals 5k/10sec... as a barb charm would heal 10k+/.0000001sec. Not really the same... you'll be dying a lot more with auto recovery only and as a barb that means less points. Trade off is yours to make.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »I like my way of get on... hang out a bit... maybe a bh here or there. Maybe get on for nation wars if it fits my time. Get on for TW if its interesting and I actually have time for it. Still get s2 gear because I can. Wonder around warsong a bit and now I have all the molds for r9 arch/sin nirv robe/la. Too lazy to farm enough badges to do a proper recast. Seems pretty fun/decent for a game.
That's basically what I do now, except I try and tell myself to do more warsong runs for badges for wizards third cast R9, it just doesn't work.
So I do a BH every few days, warsong every few days, NW every few weeks, TW when it happens and I can go.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RyuTiger - Raging Tide wrote: »Great minds think alike. That is exactly what i did b:victory
I like the stone because you can set the % how much you want to. For example I have seeker with sage vortex and with charm I cant stay vortex I have to click the herbs over and over almost instant when they recharge or else I cant vortex. I have 3k in MP because other wise there is no chance I can vortex without interruption. I have the stone and set it for 90% and I can stay vortex all day. Only smart people buy the stone instead of a 8 MIL charms.
One of the things I use it for is dual logging. If I need to fight a boss and don't want to go through the hassle of finding a squad I dual log my cleric and trade the stone to and let the cleric put up BB while I fight. The mana pots click automatically and never have to worry about BB dropping.
Another thing I like is I used to be a bit of a panicy potter. I'd often click them too soon or when I didn't really need to. Sometimes when in a squad and I'd see someone else HP drop I'd use a pot (don't ask me why) b:laugh Now it just does it for me, so no more oops'TieIer - Dreamweaver wrote: »where do i get one of those at?
The auto-recovery you get in the boutique. It's in the first section under misc. (where they have the perfect hammers). It's a timed item, the 10 day is one gold the 30 day is three gold. Much better to just go with the 30 day.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »If you aren't getting a good amount of tokens from NW, it's you not your gear.
I agree with pretty much everything the OP said. If there was no money drops for bh100 that would cripple a lot of people I think.
As for the quote above I disagree to a point. On my seeker I have made tokens in the 7x for each NW except the last one because like many I was one of the poor saps stuck in the base. I got 22 tokens for the NW. Hopefully the new map set up will assist in fixing this problem.0 -
Buying charms for NW is like buying gas for a rental car.TW i understand since staying alive serves more of a purpose than in NW.NW is liek a board game..jsut kill,be killed,rinse and repeat for 2 hours and get your stinkin tokens..not hard.All i do on my charmless cleric is buff people,maybe throw in some hard hits,kil la few,die..rinse and repeat with no worries about charm ticking and watching money fade away..why pay 8-10mill for a charm to maybe sell your stuff to make back what you spent for a charm..no profit.b:byeThis game is like washing hair with shampoo... Rinse and repeat if desired.
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There were a thread already requesting new PvE dungeon.
This one doesn't contain anything new, but I am going to agree with OP.Achieved R9 before it was mainstream.
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Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »If you aren't getting a good amount of tokens from NW, it's you not your gear.
My gear is G13 or less, with one G15. It's basically all 3 years old, never been touched since then. I'm a melee with less than 7K health, and my axes are +5 Calamity Axes.
That said last 2 NW I made 146 and 147 tokens, and before I started paying attention to my contri would still earn 9X tokens per match. And I am looking to beat 150, as I refine my playing strategy.
This player is from Sanctuary... they get different token amounts then Raging Tides overall...RyuTiger - Raging Tide wrote: »How did you made so much? My best friend is T3 weapon +10 sin 5 aps and he get 70 tokens only. I have no idea how people take so much. I also have a neighbor cleric friend and she takes 30-40 tokens. She is R8 and she just have weapon and 3 more pieces T3. I really dont know. I like NW is fun but not worth it from coins point of view b:cry
Ima psy at 101 now with my only +12 being my r6 wep... rest of me is nirvy t2, r8 base, boutique feet, 1/1 cube neck, jungle belt t1, r9 ring and cloud stir ring... all +6/+7 and L.9 garnets/citrines. I also get 21 at my lowest to as much as 120 max so far... So you and your friend are doing fine in the tokens per nw on RT. Personally, I think NW is the single best ingame instance for coin vs the expense. Now granted, ima ranged character whereas im sure as a melee, ur expense might be higher. Do realize... there are A LOT of R9+ players on our server as well... your gear (from what it sounds like), your friend's gear (aps gets owned these days vs dph in the pvp arena, really), and my gear can only really expect as much as we are getting. Id go as far as to say, we could pull ~150 tokens possibly max on a really good nw night. Unfortunately, this also depends on which nation you are in and their placement. I even made 98 tokens one night in 3rd placed nation... that mighta been my 150 tokens had it been first place. b:cry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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