The All-Class QQ Thread
Tiageos - Sanctuary
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This is a collection of the various QQ'ing we hear from each class. Since I don't play all the classes, post your class and serious QQ, and I'll add it to the main post. I had a discussion with my wife a short while ago and found it interesting the way each class views the world.
In Alphabetical order...
Archer
I don't personally play an Archer, but the main things I hear archers complain about is..
No bloodpaint.
No mana.
Assasin
Don't know many of these. I'd love to hear your reponses though.
All I see from Assasins is a fight to steal aggro so they can show that they are able to, and then death because they can't survive with no hp and bieng a class that wasn't designed to tank.
Barbarian
Logged on the other day and saw a bunch of people spamming for barbs in World chat. At any given point in time there were at least 5 different people shouting for help with instances. A couple were asking for a barb for a full Delta run. I thought to myself, "I could help with that.." Then I thought about how much it would cost me to help with that... Finally I thought about what I would get in return for helping with that....
The answer is... nothing.
The reason you constanly need a barb, but can never find one... It costs me too much to just throw those coins away.
Blademaster
Pretty much ditto what I said for the assasins, except they last longer when they steal aggro typically. If they just play APS, they're bound to die almost as quickly as the Assasin.
Cleric
No respect from the player base.
Clerics shell out a lot to make sure they don't run out of mana and have the gear to keep you alive. (At least the good ones do.)
They also have to keep an eye on the hp of not just the tank, but the rest of the APS-ing aggro-stealing idiots in the squad.
God forbid something bad should happen, guess who gets the blame? That's right, it's the cleric. Or occationally the tank (barb) that didn't keep aggro from the noob that has no aggro control or common sense.
Mystic
I vaguely played one of these for a short bit. I think it's a very misunderstood class. It's also a class that very few have learned how to play properly, si I'm interested to see the comments from various Mystics.
My biggest QQ, Skills cost a freaking fortune, sucks down mana almost worse that a Psychic, and everyone assumes you're either a cleric or a veno.
Psychic
Played one of these a little longer than a Mystic. Hard to get in squads for stuff. Mana drain is a *****. People 20-30 levels higher than you really complain a lot when you drop them in PvP and they couldn't do anything about it.
Seeker
Ahh, the new tanks. Another misunderstood class I think.
Goes though MP charms faster than HP charms, but eats both at an alarming rate.
People want you to tank for them, but they don't want to give you a moment to get aggro after you finish debuffing. Then they whine becuase you didn't end up tanking.
Debuffs don't work in PvP
Venomancer
The forgotten class.
Everyone complained that veno's were OP simply because they didn't have a clue about how to fight against one.
So the veno's get their skills nerfed. They get their pets nerfed. And even TT gets made "harder" so they can't solo it like they used to, but now it's super easy for any APS class. (Yeah that makes a lot of sense.)
On top of all this, no one wants one in a squad unless they realize the need for Purge or Amp. Even then, they would rather take the APS noob that is clueless on squad mechanics.
Wizard
The other forgotten class. You only see people talking about wizards when they talk about who caked them in NW/TW for some super high damage amount, or when you need an AoE DD'er for Delta.
You suck their charms and beat them up and never think to thank them for it. You also never bother to invite them into squads because you'd rather have the APS noob.
That covers what I can think of right now. I'll add more as I come across it, or add tidbits from your posts.
In Alphabetical order...
Archer
I don't personally play an Archer, but the main things I hear archers complain about is..
No bloodpaint.
No mana.
Assasin
Don't know many of these. I'd love to hear your reponses though.
All I see from Assasins is a fight to steal aggro so they can show that they are able to, and then death because they can't survive with no hp and bieng a class that wasn't designed to tank.
Barbarian
Logged on the other day and saw a bunch of people spamming for barbs in World chat. At any given point in time there were at least 5 different people shouting for help with instances. A couple were asking for a barb for a full Delta run. I thought to myself, "I could help with that.." Then I thought about how much it would cost me to help with that... Finally I thought about what I would get in return for helping with that....
The answer is... nothing.
The reason you constanly need a barb, but can never find one... It costs me too much to just throw those coins away.
Blademaster
Pretty much ditto what I said for the assasins, except they last longer when they steal aggro typically. If they just play APS, they're bound to die almost as quickly as the Assasin.
Cleric
No respect from the player base.
Clerics shell out a lot to make sure they don't run out of mana and have the gear to keep you alive. (At least the good ones do.)
They also have to keep an eye on the hp of not just the tank, but the rest of the APS-ing aggro-stealing idiots in the squad.
God forbid something bad should happen, guess who gets the blame? That's right, it's the cleric. Or occationally the tank (barb) that didn't keep aggro from the noob that has no aggro control or common sense.
Mystic
I vaguely played one of these for a short bit. I think it's a very misunderstood class. It's also a class that very few have learned how to play properly, si I'm interested to see the comments from various Mystics.
My biggest QQ, Skills cost a freaking fortune, sucks down mana almost worse that a Psychic, and everyone assumes you're either a cleric or a veno.
Psychic
Played one of these a little longer than a Mystic. Hard to get in squads for stuff. Mana drain is a *****. People 20-30 levels higher than you really complain a lot when you drop them in PvP and they couldn't do anything about it.
Seeker
Ahh, the new tanks. Another misunderstood class I think.
Goes though MP charms faster than HP charms, but eats both at an alarming rate.
People want you to tank for them, but they don't want to give you a moment to get aggro after you finish debuffing. Then they whine becuase you didn't end up tanking.
Debuffs don't work in PvP
Venomancer
The forgotten class.
Everyone complained that veno's were OP simply because they didn't have a clue about how to fight against one.
So the veno's get their skills nerfed. They get their pets nerfed. And even TT gets made "harder" so they can't solo it like they used to, but now it's super easy for any APS class. (Yeah that makes a lot of sense.)
On top of all this, no one wants one in a squad unless they realize the need for Purge or Amp. Even then, they would rather take the APS noob that is clueless on squad mechanics.
Wizard
The other forgotten class. You only see people talking about wizards when they talk about who caked them in NW/TW for some super high damage amount, or when you need an AoE DD'er for Delta.
You suck their charms and beat them up and never think to thank them for it. You also never bother to invite them into squads because you'd rather have the APS noob.
That covers what I can think of right now. I'll add more as I come across it, or add tidbits from your posts.
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Archer is the main one I don't understand, why can't Archer's have BP? I don't play one myself but it seems kind of unfair seeming winged elves are the only race that don't have a class that can have BP, yes Archer's have a few elemental skills, but still, when they go APS with claws they should have BP =/[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »Archer is the main one I don't understand, why can't Archer's have BP? I don't play one myself but it seems kind of unfair seeming winged elves are the only race that don't have a class that can have BP, yes Archer's have a few elemental skills, but still, when they go APS with claws they should have BP =/
that's true, but bp is for melee classes, and originally an archer isnt supposed to use claws or fist0 -
Zerire - Raging Tide wrote: »that's true, but bp is for melee classes, and originally an archer isnt supposed to use claws or fist
I think it would be especially interesting to have fists/claws class-limited to the BM. Just like Daggers and Soulspheres are for the Tideborn.
Personally though, there should be like a magical claw for veno's in fox form.Take the time to look for your answer before you post like an idiot.
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A cleric that get disrespected is probably a fail cleric DDing or using CHB making people die and tick charm so people get angry when the cleric is bad, so it's the cleric's fault, I never get disrespect on my clerics, but I do my job.
Mystic are disrespected cause 90% of them don't know how to play it and that give us (good mystics) a bad reputation. Yesterday I was in a GV on my cleric and the mystic never used AOE or pets, when I told her to use storm mistress on AOE she answered me she don't use pets cause they cost to much mana.... She was healing over BB, I needed to told her to stop healing that's not needed when there's a cleric in BB in GV. Than after people left the squad cause we wasn't able to finish the 3rd wave, people pmed me saying how mystic suck, dude no, mystic don't suck she don't know how to play it so people think mystic suck cause of fail mystic like her. She was lvl102 and didn't know mistress have a AOE...
For venomancers forgotten? On HL they was the only caster asked on both normal and caster Nirvana and I still see people ask for venomancer for BH while I never see people ask for wizz or psy.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Allisandre - Sanctuary wrote: »Precicely.
I think it would be especially interesting to have fists/claws class-limited to the BM. Just like Daggers and Soulspheres are for the Tideborn.
Personally though, there should be like a magical claw for veno's in fox form.
They already did that, Pataka's have the highest physical attack of all mag weapons.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Tiageos - Sanctuary wrote: »Wizard
The other forgotten class. You only see people talking about wizards when they talk about who caked them in NW/TW for some super high damage amount, or when you need an AoE DD'er for Delta.
You suck their charms and beat them up and never think to thank them for it. You also never bother to invite them into squads because you'd rather have the APS noob.
It's all true b:cry
But as you said, people talk about our insane hits. One amazing crit makes up for all the negligence I receive. Especially if I ss the damage log, then I have fap material for weeks.0 -
Tiageos - Sanctuary wrote: »
Psychic
Played one of these a little longer than a Mystic. Hard to get in squads for stuff. Mana drain is a *****. People 20-30 levels higher than you really complain a lot when you drop them in PvP and they couldn't do anything about it.
QQ b:sad Psychics have nothing to QQ about b:cool[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Lol at the thread
Besides the Archer one I do agree with most of them...particularly the Veno and Barb ones. b:angryb:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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How about the Forgotten and also misunderstood Class/Build: Light Armor Wizards.
There is only 2 I know of on LC at the moment and only one is Actively playing still, When Geared correctly and given the right skills They are deadly, regardless of what anyone says about how fail they are. Try watching one Tank a Wave in Delta without BB or any form of heals. I've also seen the same one take on 5 10x's in Nation Wars, Killing 4 of them (BM, 2 sins and a Psychic) before the Seeker finally gets the last hit in, and then go on to Carry the flag and getting to the cap point quickly using Apoth pots & distance shrink, all the while being chased by near enough everyone on the opposite team. (when they're not killing each other in the center that is. *Facepalm*) Not to mention that they crit nearly as much as an Assassin does normally, and one shots nearly anything that doesn't have 10k+ HP with just a Pyrogram, Divine or otherwise. Nothing amuses me more when I see a Sin drop from a Will of the Phoenix as it crits...
Fortunately for me, I'm Married to That Wizard... b:pleased[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »b:chuckleb:chuckleb:chuckle
fix venos!
Venos should fix what they think, in some threads venos ask to be fix, but the second we say mystics are better than venos, venos get mad and say it's not true and say venos are more OP than mystic.
Venos claim be better than mystics, mystics should be fix first. =^-^=
(Specially according to PWI community mystics can't do **** in PVP and can't kill any class while venos can, even R8 archers claim one shot mystics R9+12)
Venos biggest issue atm is the pets being almost useless, but if one day we get the famous update that will probably help to fix it.
A veno asking for fix is like a mystic asking for fix, you don't know the potential of your class and should go learn it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »They already did that, Pataka's have the highest physical attack of all mag weapons.
magic weapons all do the same damage on average, its the range of damage, and therefore spikes, that fluctuate. patakas have the lowest DPS as a physical weapon due to their lower attack speed.
melee classes should get bloodpaint, so veno's, the only class with a general "melee mastery" skill, should get bloodpaint[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Archer QQ:
Archers can be killed by any class. While most classes have another class that they are more or less immune to (disregarding terrible gear/skill/lag/computer/whatever), archers can be killed by everything.
Archers are not great any against anything. The old strength of archers comes from the fact that they are stable dps on any armor, any class. However with the new tier of gears, the lack of specialty is a major weakness instead of a strength. Especially now that arcanes have purify and autoattacks are as likely to save them as kill them, archers cannot spike anything at the end game tier of gear.
Archers have no useful buffs. Every class has a useful buff, or at least a useful self buff. Archers don't.
Archers have the worst proc at S3R9. Purge does not compare to GoF or purify. Not only is the purge proc rate lower than GoF/Purify, it is less useful even when it does proc.
Archers are light armor. Light armor sucks. Sins are kind of in our boat, but not really because they have an arsenal of unpurgeable self buffs to cover for the terribleness of light armor.
Crit. In the age of S3R9 arcanes are sporting like 25-30% crit. So I can't even argue that archers can spike with crit anymore because arcanes have crit too.
Lack of CC. I didn't used to think this was a problem, tbh. I think it was fair for archers to be more dps orientated and I actually thought it's not very fair for ranged DD classes to have massive amounts of CC power on top of it. Well. These days considering the amount of control skills psychics, mystics, and seekers have (note how they're new classes) I think the old standard of balance for ranged damage vs control is shot.
I actually don't give a damn about BP. I mean unless BP is going to work for my arrows like it does for knife throw, it's not that useful, and I don't think BP should go on arrows anyway.
All I can come up with on the spot without thinking harder. Maybe I'll come back to this thread later.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »Getting sick of everyone QQing about others...
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Iyania - Heavens Tear wrote: »Archer QQ:
Archers can be killed by any class. While most classes have another class that they are more or less immune to (disregarding terrible gear/skill/lag/computer/whatever), archers can be killed by everything.
Archers are not great any against anything. The old strength of archers comes from the fact that they are stable dps on any armor, any class. However with the new tier of gears, the lack of specialty is a major weakness instead of a strength. Especially now that arcanes have purify and autoattacks are as likely to save them as kill them, archers cannot spike anything at the end game tier of gear.
Archers have no useful buffs. Every class has a useful buff, or at least a useful self buff. Archers don't.
Archers have the worse proc at S3R9. Purge does not compare to GoF or purify. Not only is the purge proc rate lower than GoF/Purify, it is less useful even when it does proc.
Archers are light armor. Light armor sucks. Sins are kind of in our boat, but not really because they have an arsenal of unpurgeable self buffs to cover for the terribleness of light armor.
Crit. In the age of S3R9 arcanes are sporting like 25-30% crit. So I can't even argue that archers can spike with crit anymore because arcanes have crit too.
Lack of CC. I didn't used to think this was a problem, tbh. I think it was fair for archers to be more dps orientated and I actually thought it's not very fair for ranged DD classes to have massive amounts of CC power on top of it. Well. These days considering the amount of control skills psychics, mystics, and seekers have (note how they're new classes) I think the old standard of balance for ranged damage vs control is shot.
I actually don't give a damn about BP. I mean unless BP is going to work for my arrows like it does for knife throw, it's not that useful, and I don't think BP should go on arrows anyway.
All I can come up with on the spot without thinking harder. Maybe I'll come back to this thread later.
I would take ranged purge over GOF anyday especially with the enormous defenses full r9r3+12 has when buffed...0 -
About the BP on Archer thing...
Well, they are often restatted for fists or claws, and they don't have an actual mastery for that.
However, Venos have Melee Mastery, and they can't get BP.
A veno using melee attacks to do actual DD is ridiculous. LA Veno used to be viable, fun, and easy, but now it's laughed at because it's now so outdated.
I'd vot to fix venos, remove the stupid fist mastery and give them something else that's more useful.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »I would take ranged purge over GOF anyday especially with the enormous defenses full r9r3+12 has when buffed...
You can have it then. I rather have either purify or GoF. Even if I purge something I can't kill it so purge doesn't help me. It would help my allies with spike damage kill things, but it doesn't help me personally as an archer.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »About the BP on Archer thing...
Well, they are often restatted for fists or claws, and they don't have an actual mastery for that.
However, Venos have Melee Mastery, and they can't get BP.
A veno using melee attacks to do actual DD is ridiculous. LA Veno used to be viable, fun, and easy, but now it's laughed at because it's now so outdated.
I'd vot to fix venos, remove the stupid fist mastery and give them something else that's more useful.
Or make Melee Mastery more useful, there's always that option -_-.0 -
Tiageos - Sanctuary wrote: »In Alphabetical order...
Archer
I don't personally play an Archer, but the main things I hear archers complain about is..
No bloodpaint.
No mana.
Those are probably the worst and most irrelevant complaints to have about archers. Whoever suggested those should reroll so we can put real complaints down ._.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I don't mind the no bp on archer at all. Doesn't have to keep begging the **** sin to bp me. Example in fc the other day and sin wouldn't bp at all. If he got it he was too far away to paint the bm and barb. The QQing about getting bp was getting old to the point I had to say "thank god I don't need that ****!" as I was pulling and boa-ing like a pro xD
I qq about my own sin all the time. He feels like a god half the time but gets squash like a bug most of the time lol.
Seeker, for gods sake give me a little break on mp pots. It's worse than a crack addiction.
My only complaint about my veno is the fact that she is a female character. I get so sick of guys hitting on me. Is the only reason why I haven't lvl her in forever. I keep getting the the ever popular "hey sexy!" really? Is that the best ya can do? If ya try harder I may just play along. Hahahaha101/101/102
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BP shouldn't be in the game at all really. If you can't do something without heals you should bring a cleric to heal you. A sin shouldn't replace a healer. That is beyond dumb from a game design standpoint.
What do you expect from the idiot monkeys who made the RT expansion. That was by far the worst expansion the game has ever had.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Asterelle - Sanctuary;18573411]BP shouldn't be in the game at all really. If you can't do something without heals you should bring a cleric to heal you. A sin shouldn't replace a healer. That is beyond dumb from a game design standpoint.
What do you expect from the idiot monkeys who made the RT expansion. That was by far the worst expansion the game has ever had.
Omg I completely agree - At times I will form squads with some awesome DD including myself, then ask *if* I could just invite another random DD then the barb or BM will go "No, get sin. Need BP."
Then takes me ages for me to find a freaking fish...
Realllllly? Most things can be done without that freaking buff in game...b:angry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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One would think after the introduction of R9 and R9rr, even the normal G16...people would get over this "Clerics cant DD!" mentality.
I mean hello? What else would you call a cleric in Ultraviolet? Not a healer thats for sure.
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Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »One would think after the introduction of R9 and R9rr, even the normal G16...people would get over this "Clerics cant DD!" mentality.
I mean hello? What else would you call a cleric in Ultraviolet? Not a healer thats for sure.
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