Do we need more dex?

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These charts were made using specific builds vs generic opponents and some mobs (vanished ancestor and vile drake fling) but the trends should hold for most BM's and barbs. Seekers too if their accuracy and damage multipliers are the same. A higher multiplier is better for long term dps.

i think the main thing to take into consideration when building you stats are the damage multipliers that kick in at every 150 str, to demonstrate this im going to use BM Bobby who to start with i have given 500str and 200dex as a base

http://pwcalc.com/df0e8b84497f4b96 (his gear ik is a lil hax but it's only the stats we need to focus on) this gives him 4086-7748 patk and 4kacc with 13kish p.deff 11%crit

if we move the str down to its closest mutiplyer 450 and put it into dex
http://pwcalc.com/ea5315bfb1100727
this gives him 3772-7152 patk 5k acc and 12.8kish pdeff 13%crit

the difference in your p.atk is only just over 8% (16% at 550 and 25% higher at 600) when put into str vs the 500-1000 acc gain (depp on if u wear acc rings) and a boost to crit now ik acc never used to be a major issue but since the release of the 3rd tier r9 givng sins and archers +100 more dex on already high evasive toons with buffs for either more evasion or status effect dodging >.<
going too "pure" a str build can hurt now shards can help with both acc and boost damage but there in lies a cost if u need to re-shard so my advice would be look at which will be the most cost effective.
if you've gone to the expence of putting garnet gems in your axe I'd peronally take the 8% hit to your damage provided it doesnt drop u below a multiplier value (150, 300, 450etc) as with r9 axe's which i assume you have along with the ring its your zerks and crits were your spike rly is and your debuffs will only help if they land

http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Damage

"Attack Multiplier

The attack multiplier comes from how your stats, masteries, and buffs contribute to your base damage.
Daggers and ranged weapons:
attack multiplier = 1 + ( Dex / 150 ) + weapon mastery + physical attack buffs
Melee weapons:
attack multiplier = 1 + ( Str / 150 ) + weapon mastery + physical attack buffs
Magic weapons:
attack multiplier = 1 + ( Mag / 100 ) + magical attack buffs
Where ( Dex / 150 ) and ( Str / 150 ) are rounded to 2 decimal places. ( Ex. 1 + ( 100 / 150 ) + 0 + 0 = 1.67 )
Example:
For an archer with 450 Dex and level 10 bow mastery
attack multiplier = 1 + ( 450 / 150 ) + 0.6 = 4.6
This means his base damage is 4.6 times his weapon attack.
Comparison of sources of physical attack multiplier:
Level 10 bow mastery adds 60% (+0.6 to attack multiplier) weapon attack
Level 10 Strength of Titans attack buff adds 30% (+0.3 to attack multiplier) weapon attack
Level 10 take aim adds 300% (+3.0 to attack multiplier) weapon attack
Level 3 True Form removes 50% (-0.5 to attack multiplier) weapon attack
150 Str or Dex adds 100% weapon attack
Spark Eruption adds 150% weapon attack
Advanced Spark Eruption adds 300% - 400% attack
Demon / Sage Spark Eruption adds 500% attack
Gloom weapon proc adds 100% attack as does Unrelenting "

this is the multiplyer as stated on PWI's own wikki stating str based weapons are every 150

soooo basically Telarith/Sylvae (as im guessing the 101 BM more your main then the lvl95 ur trying to troll from) im right its multiples of 150 which is what i said to avoid dropping below, anyho its kinda gone off topic my point was more on the cost/gains or reallocating stat points what i was suggesting was if the OP is at a str lvl were he's past a full 100% modifier say 350 or 500 str then dropping 50 into dex prolly isnt going to hurt his damage as its not a huge loss from p.atk but will give 500-1000 more acc, go back the the OP's it wasnt damage but missing that was the issue so how about rarther than taking parts of my posts and quoting out of context try to add something relevant to the problem

full r9 with weapon only requires 55 points into dex throw the rest into str and u'd end up with decent p.atk w/o any refines or shards http://pwcalc.com/2d71da1fe5cff8df
there is ofc a reason why no1 does this especially now when there are archers in r9t3 runing about with 6k+ evasion as you enjoy math so much im sure you'll have fun with "whats ur effective damage on an opponent who kites and you cant hit?"

Morridune - Raging Tide wrote: »

the difference in your p.atk is only just over 8% (16% at 550 and 25% higher at 600) when put into str vs the 500-1000 acc gain (depp on if u wear acc rings)....


...if you've gone to the expence of putting garnet gems in your axe I'd personally take the 8% hit to your damage provided it doesnt drop u below a multiplier value (150, 300, 450etc)

ok at no point have i said that every stat point in str doesn't count and i certainly didnt say you only get damage boosts at 150,300,450 etc
if you look at the examples i said the difference +/-50pts of str giving just over 8% to/from p.atk in the 2 examples i posted 1 had 450str/250dex other had 500str/200dex

i simply put my personal preference is to try and keep str above a 150 multiple and a 8% drop in p.atk is a fair price to pay for 1000acc if i'd already gone to expense of sharding garnet gems as many ppl do in their r9 axe's thats 30m+ shards vs the cost of a 50point reset note

again this is off topic the thread is about stat'n more dex for acc in response to EG LA toons getting noticeably harder to hit and land debuff's on , my original post shows that dropping 50pts from str to go over to dex dosn't hurt you'r p.atk too much for a decent gain in acc with a lil boost to crits as a bonus

thats fair enough and i'd like to see how acc vs evasion stacks up but the point i keep trying to bring up this isnt about damage per say but actually hitting an opponent when the OP say's he's capped at 200dex which with the rings he say's he has would confer a min 4k acc

i showed ( or at was trying to) that shifting 50 points from str to dex, which the OP said was considering (tho not that specific amount) yielded a gain of 1000acc (+25% of its original) at a drop in p.atk of just over 8% with a lvl10 axe mastery and that this may prove more cost efficient in raising hit rate than going for changing shards in weapon to amber gems (each g11 amber gives +225 acc so x2 is 500 with a bonus 500 from rings = +1000 same increase as resetting 50 stat points) it would look at least certainly cheaper to test having 50 more dex or str to swapping over and tryin very expensive shards only to find u were better off with the shards u had to start

the talk about damage was not intended as i said we do our most damage when we zerk, crit or have opponents debuffed each requiring a hit to be scored, pvp vs a sin or archer can end in under 10s any advice on how to help land more hits more often, and thus sooner a zerk, crits or debuffs is welcome

side note- the whole 150xstr thing is just my o.c.d in wanting to keep stats in groups of the full bonuses i also try not to have odd numbers or dex a non x20 value so please be aware the graph ur promising is most likely to give me something new 2b neurotic about b:chuckle

Here are the % to-hit numbers for the bm and barb builds I used.

I'm a few days late because I've been skiing b:victory