Nation Wars - The official thread

I agree that archers with purge bows are next to broken, the problem is not the class, is the purge add itself.

IMO purge needs to be removed from every weapon and replaced by whatever, I would even say that god of frenzy is less broken than Purge.

The tremendous increase in damage you receive from the lack of buffs is usually a death sentence in PK.

Huh? How do archers not do dmge without purge o_o even without purge an archer auto hurts like hell, giving the hardest hitting class purge is just wrong. Even the g16 nirvana bows, and slings without purge hit hard...especially when they chain crit....I'm sure you've met ea's who are sage pushing 60% crit + after QS.


Archers hit hard purge or no purge unless your walking around with 10-12 refines and 90% josd in your armor, any +10 bow , r9 or nirvana smack pretty high auto attacks.

All the people here that are QQing about Archers are silly, Archers miss out on alot of stuff that other phys dmg classes get that would make them super OP, such as BP, just imagine an Archer from long range that puts BOA on someone tanky such as a barb and is then able to continusly heal themselfs with bp, until that barb died they would be impossible to kill, also they are quite squishy because high dmg = less def, so if you can get them to stop attacking, either with a stun, seal or something similar there is a good chance you can poke them a few times and they fall over.

The purge add on the R9 Archers bow has a VERY low proc rate, if you gave them zerk I think you'd be creating more trouble than fixing anything, zerk is OP, and giving that to a class that already hits Insane amounts of dmg would just create problems xD

NW is not complex ppl just complain to much. It's obious anything PVp related is for the most part gear dependent, no matter how good you are the guy who has the better gear will kill you. Sure there are some cases where the undergeared will win but in general they won't.


You have 2 choices.

1) farm or cs and gear up until you can compete.
2) don't participate at all

The only thing I think is stupid in this nw system is how they "balance" the nations just reading the word balance in anything PWE related is a joke, there hasn't been balance in our game since the rank sale.

Well in his case do like I do, grab the flag eat as much dmge as possible at the hill before turning in the flag, IG GTFO score.

They won't do much to fix anything and if they do it's things that have little to no effect on the game. But they sure are good at releasing packs and putting up epic sales.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why are you comparing **** gear players to r999+12? Of course you are going to be killed by people that have vastly better gear than you. That's a no-brainer and has nothing to do with class.

Against equal geared opponents seekers are the hardest hitting class in the game. They can spam that sacrificial slash -> quid pro quo BS every 30 seconds and get 40k zerk crit off normal attacks. That combo is broken as hell and doesn't even use any chi. It's such a joke to be randomly one shot by a zerk crit from 30m away.

Savor's gear is not vastly inferior to r999 +12. You remark is void.

OoArCsTeRoO - Sanctuary wrote: »

From what I understand NW is about teamwork. Assuming equal gears.

Not just at equal gears but ... YAY, finally someone who thinks alike. b:surrender

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wish this worked on ppl like the full +12 jades r9 reforged ring and emperor tome wizard on our server

This character is almost impossible to kill before it gets purified and runs off. I'm a r9rr mostly +12 and I can only delay this char at best. Even ticking charm takes a heroic effort if its just myself working at it.

For the most part I agree with you though ;o

If you are referring to the person I think you are referring to, I came against them in the last NW(my main is on DW). I hit them with undine-BT and did 80 damage (granted I only have R8+7, but still...). At that point I simply brought up the battle map and clicked <Leave Battlefield>. Problem solved. I went on to another battle where I could get plenty of points, and denied that wizzy any points from me.
Strategic withdrawal FTW

OoArCsTeRoO - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sure give archers GOF and let +12 archers 1 shot even barbs with a zerk crit.. That's balance lol

From what I understand NW is about teamwork. Assuming equal gears.

Archers/Sins Kill Arcanes
Arcanes Kill Tanks

But now due to so much imbalance in gears people want Archers/Sins to kill even barbs easily. That is not their class job. But again its all about damage nowadays and not class roles..

Well, yeah, I agree that Archers are OP.

Most R9 or recast R9 archers are rather easy to kill though, with maybe the exception of Asty (JOSD's last I checked). The problem is getting to them, since archers have rather large range.

Only class I regulaly die to in NW is sins, and it typically takes either 2 of them or one that's highly refine R9+10 (there's another broken part of the game, getting killed by a 30k zerk crit from a sin you didn't even know was there).

Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »

Umm... Okay sure. Here ya go~
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Or are you asking me to prove he has +12 JoSD gear...?
Savor is Susamajii, the Barb that represented PWI in the tournament.

Astys point is still valid, and your implied expectation the every player is following the various gear upgrades on your server is absurd.

Every single one of you who feel that you should be able to beat people that have better gear than you are complete morons. If you can not beat people 1v1 then gank them, if that doesn't work then there is a simple Leave Battlefield function that works perfectly.

I'm starting to get fed up of all you TT99 people or close moaning at r9/r99/r999 people ruining the game, just shut up and get on with it. This game is about 2 things, gear and skill. Gear is simple, the better it is the easier it is to kill people. Why do we get better gear? To be able to kill things easier... so go get better gear and shush. Skill is simple too, have similar gears to your opponent? Then you will be using skill to defeat them and nothing else will play a part in it. Everyone can beat each other with similar gear and some skill.

Anyone who feels that they should have a chance against somone with better gear is kidding themselves and should imo log out and uninstall as this is not the right game for you.

Spinner_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Every single one of you who feel that you should be able to beat people that have better gear than you are complete morons. If you can not beat people 1v1 then gank them, if that doesn't work then there is a simple Leave Battlefield function that works perfectly.

I'm starting to get fed up of all you TT99 people or close moaning at r9/r99/r999 people ruining the game, just shut up and get on with it. This game is about 2 things, gear and skill. Gear is simple, the better it is the easier it is to kill people. Why do we get better gear? To be able to kill things easier... so go get better gear and shush. Skill is simple too, have similar gears to your opponent? Then you will be using skill to defeat them and nothing else will play a part in it. Everyone can beat each other with similar gear and some skill.

Anyone who feels that they should have a chance against somone with better gear is kidding themselves and should imo log out and uninstall as this is not the right game for you.

well said.
to play devil's advocate though I think they are more complaining about the limited availability of top tier gear in the game to people who spend money. But that is even more ridiculous because the game needs to make money and this new instance they are complaining about is practically giving away end game gear for free.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

I was talking to Armani, not Asterelle. Of course properly sharded and refined HA can tank archers pretty well if they don't get purged (or do something dumb like use phys marrow).

I quoted you more to show that his gears had been stated.

Lecus - Lost City wrote: »

No one cares about the tournament that happened what like 2 years ago. I doubt people even remember what server won. So assuming that people will be aware of other servers gear levels is kind of far off based assumption.

Wow... you umm quoted me yourself where I said, " Nobody had that expectation, however there was an expectation and assumption on the other end that Savor must not know what he was talking about and that he must be someone with bad gear."

I mean I'd quote myself which is ridiculus just to correct you but you already did it for me in your own post... GG

Spinner_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm starting to get fed up of all you TT99 people or close moaning at r9/r99/r999 people ruining the game, just shut up and get on with it. This game is about 2 things, gear and skill. Gear is simple, the better it is the easier it is to kill people. Why do we get better gear? To be able to kill things easier... so go get better gear and shush. Skill is simple too, have similar gears to your opponent? Then you will be using skill to defeat them and nothing else will play a part in it. Everyone can beat each other with similar gear and some skill.

Numbers, Gear, Skill, and Levels. You can have the best gear possible and play the absolute best - but with the right numbers you're screwed. Level plays a big difference due to gear and the lesser damage done to higher levels.

Lecus - Lost City wrote: »

Depends on how you interpret it. "Furthermore, even if I had assumed that it wouldn't be entirely unfair." Seems like you still made a assumption at some point and still at some point think its valid.

Sounds more to me like you're assuming he made and assumptionb:avoid.