DoT vs Josd

abcssdaa
abcssdaa Posts: 19 Arc User
edited January 2013 in Assassin
What do you guys think about sharding either full dot or full Josd for endgame gear, meaning full r999 gear. Just wanted all of your thoughts on it
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  • LosTEscape - Lost City
    LosTEscape - Lost City Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    go full josd, dot's might be alot, alot cheaper but you will be squishy despite r9rrrr.
    We will add r9 they said... it will be fun they said...
  • abcssdaa
    abcssdaa Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I was thinking I'd mainly be hit and running most of the time in NW TW and the occasional pk so I wouldn't be tanking too much, I'm still unsure. But I'm still open to any and all advice/ thoughts :)
  • XxRagzxx - Sanctuary
    XxRagzxx - Sanctuary Posts: 258 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Save your coin and roll a different R9. Mostly sins are only good for farming, and tbh, R999 daggers are the furthest I would personally go. If you have the coin to JoSD something, you could probably make a high hp vit build barb that would be good in TW, and that would make you bank in NW from all the hits you would take, plus the amount of damage you can deal with arma.
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  • LosTEscape - Lost City
    LosTEscape - Lost City Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    XxRagzxx - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Save your coin and roll a different R9. Mostly sins are only good for farming, and tbh, R999 daggers are the furthest I would personally go. If you have the coin to JoSD something, you could probably make a high hp vit build barb that would be good in TW, and that would make you bank in NW from all the hits you would take, plus the amount of damage you can deal with arma.

    What if he enjoys playing sin, even if they are best at farming and can kill anyone 1v1.

    In private server, the one exactly same as pwi, i try'd everything full dot, full josd, full vit stones and josd always comes on top by a big difference on all classes.

    Another option would be part josd part dot.
    We will add r9 they said... it will be fun they said...
  • XxRagzxx - Sanctuary
    XxRagzxx - Sanctuary Posts: 258 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    LosTEscape - Lost City wrote: »
    What if he enjoys playing sin, even if they are best at farming and can kill anyone 1v1.

    In private server, the one exactly same as pwi, i try'd everything full dot, full josd, full vit stones and josd always comes on top by a big difference on all classes.

    Another option would be part josd part dot.

    So you recommend getting JoSD on a sin to 1v1? Damn, I thought it was all about group pk, NW, and TW anymore. Guess I'm playing the wrong game since PWI is hardly ever 1v1.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    XxRagzxx - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So you recommend getting JoSD on a sin to 1v1? Damn, I thought it was all about group pk, NW, and TW anymore. Guess I'm playing the wrong game since PWI is hardly ever 1v1.

    You totally missed the point he's making.

    It doesn't matter if sins are the most popular farming class. Some people just like the class for what it is.

    That's kinda what I think is totally ****ed up with MMORPG players. A lot of them only think in terms of efficiency. Choose class X because it's the most efficient farmer, choose profession Y because it has the best DPS, choose weapon Z because it has the best damage. Why is it such a bad, evil, unthinkable thing to play a class and use some weaponry because you like it? Isn't that what the game is supposed to be about, doing stuff that you like?

    As for the question asked, you should always go with defensive shards. DoTs, especially with R9 and a Jones' Blessing, are a rather dumb move. Because let's be honest, there's a point after which more damage is just a number. It's not going to make any tangible, consistent difference. On the other hand, the defense is going to make a difference. And heck, it's much easier to get Attack Levels than it is to get Defense Levels.
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  • Dinya - Sanctuary
    Dinya - Sanctuary Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'm willing to make r999 dagz and i will not shards with DoT gears bcuz of the lack of hp!
    Can't afford primevals so i'm just gonna keep perf citrines ^^
    and i'm oki with u olbaze u have right for many points
  • WnbTank - Archosaur
    WnbTank - Archosaur Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Dinya - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'm willing to make r999 dagz and i will not shards with DoT gears bcuz of the lack of hp!
    Can't afford primevals so i'm just gonna keep perf citrines ^^
    and i'm oki with u olbaze u have right for many points

    Honestly, perfect citrines are barely enough for farming toon - I`ve been debating on finishing my sins vit stoning despite her being just farming toon till I can R999 Archer. My sin has 10,5k hp with NW buffs, R9s can 1shot me but a lot of non-R9s I can tank with aps gear. Most sins are "useless" because they are too squishy, there`s been 3-4 vs 1 fights I`ve won because I could tank pretty nicely people with inferior gear due my hp. If my sin had the adequate 7k hp buffed I see so often, I couldnt do such things. When you got hp, you can actually pop w/o immunities on and not get flat out rolled, thus saving pots/genie when you need it.

    Ps. The hit and run strategy for NW is kinda meh, killing person every minute or so isnt just enough imo in NW. The targets you killed can get so much more done due free chi and buffs after death in the same time.
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  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I have been looking at in terms of total damage dealt.

    I know that JoSD's improve survival enabling more total damage since you're actually alive to hit things.

    I know that DoT's improve DPH but take away from survivability.

    I'm wondering if theres some sort of equation where i can input the current dps of a toon and their defensive stats and work out an optimum combination of total damage dealt.

    Of course - for overall survivability full JoSD's are better and for some classes such as cleric and mystic its probably better to go JoSD's.

    But for characters such as archers and wizards their role is to dish out as much damage as possible overall and obviously there are many factors.

    However for an assassin you have the protection of stealth and in terms of PVP our role is more of a seek and destroy (in my opinion - my pvp experience is some what limited) and to deal as much damage as possible in a short space of time even if you're using dph with cotd and stun locking

    Because of this you're able to wait for cool downs on protective skills and apoth which is indeed handy.

    If you're immune to damage whenever you're out of stealth or your opponent is stun locked it makes no sense to shard JoSD's.

    Perhaps DoT is the best way to go at least temporarily until i figure it out xD
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  • WnbTank - Archosaur
    WnbTank - Archosaur Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »
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    I'm wondering if theres some sort of equation where i can input the current dps of a toon and their defensive stats and work out an optimum combination of total damage dealt.

    There isnt and there wont be, apples and oranges. One might prolly do math of ultimately which build would kill the other first auto-attacking and determining best mix. I suspect full JoSD would come up on top.

    If you meant damage you deal before you die? Too situational, even discounting stuns/etc. the average dps taken would be arbitrary. And accounting apos/genie would too have to be accounted. But it might be interesting math to play with tbh. Math would actually be doable but it would give really twisted value as it would assume target not moving/arbitrary assumption of time taken stunning/moving for next target. Problem is also you cant really account AoEs as it would add another arbitrary decided factor, making math even more twisted.

    Ps. That is a truly interesting point, just hard to really take any angle on it.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    abcssdaa wrote: »
    What do you guys think about sharding either full dot or full Josd for endgame gear, meaning full r999 gear. Just wanted all of your thoughts on it

    i am in favor of it
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  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Full r9 DoT build for sin = suicide on bramble
  • WnbTank - Archosaur
    WnbTank - Archosaur Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Full r9 DoT build for sin = suicide on bramble

    Bramble pretty broken tbh, sin has to outgear decent veno by ridiculous extent to not kill oneself ultimately on the bramble alone. The how I`d say, "trash" ones tend to tick my charm just because of bramble and somewhat good ones beat me if I dont pop (usually both) immunities to kill them.
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