APS veno build

Cbean - Harshlands
Cbean - Harshlands Posts: 136 Arc User
edited January 2013 in Venomancer
I was bored today, and decided to make a APS veno
http://pwcalc.com/383b278afbf5ee95 <----
i then realized, that the build looks rather awesome, and since I am lvling a BM who is going to have a kinda similar build, i was wondering if, when i hit 101 why should i/should i not use this build?

also, if this is worth using, what mag wep should i have so i can still debuff and heal pet?
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Easiest to just go full LA, then stat to use a magic weapon.

    Also, a 3.33 magic sword in fox form should out dd this in human form + physical def boost.
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  • Veneir - Dreamweaver
    Veneir - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,541 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Well.... something with aps venos is that they can't really heal pet. :x Or at least they're bad at it. I'm an HA veno but by absolutily no means aps based(I go for more of a balance build to use both trees equally, I'm weird) and my magic at 'only' 267 my nix for instance takes like four pet heals or something to get to 100% HP with HP buff from being revived. (Thank goodness I"m getting a new, much stronger weapon very soon xD)

    Normally an aps veno'll end up attacking in human forme alongside their pet(like nix or the dino) but the problem is that human forme has no melee mastery like fox forme does, so their damage per hit is already much lower than a fox using a caught-up-in-level magic weapon.
    .....also, magic weapons do the same ammount of physical damage as fists/claws anyway, as a piece of trivia, so it's not like the fist is any stronger. ...it just requires you to put on alot more dex than you would otherwise with an HA build, and try to make up for the damge you're losing in fox forme with a magic weapon with the attacks per second (DPH vs APS evening out to be about the same I guess but only if the magic weapon veno really has no aps gear at all otherwise they'd be much higher; for the sake of numbers a r8r pataka +12 with one of the old builds I have on my calculatour would be 11452-12326 physical attack range per hit in comparison to 6239-6496 which yours has at +12 with fists)

    This lil' paragraph is an edit:: Or, for instance so it's see-able, if I take your same exact calculatour and change nothing but the weapon to a r8r pataka with a 25% req. requirement and put str. addons onto 'cause why not (the stat numbers are really sloppy and cold be moved to be smoother, I just shoved them to the first thing I could find that'd work to show xD) : http://pwcalc.com/d87fa8e84292039e -oh the attack/fox forme buffs are sage.

    You'd be able to debuff barehanded/you can go in FF barehanded but aps venos tend to avoid fox forme generally except for the rare debuff it seems (I know someone who made one on a server so we chatted about it a bit)

    I'd say that since all of your gear is based on raising your aps to get magic imbues on rings to raise the pet heal/magic weapon for when you're doing that, but you already have that, and to get a tome, but you also already have that, so there's not that much to gain.

    It looks like you're managing to have just bareily over 200 magic with that so euh... just bareily under level 70 magic weapons. :x
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    My HA veno is on hold as I farm a G16 magic sword. I don't like being below par.

    My veno has around 300 magic right now but I also am able to swap AA and HA gear so I can be a 400 magic veno, depending on the situation.

    Veneir, I don't have a nix but it definitely shouldn't take more than 2 heals to fully heal your pet.

    Cbean, you're aware that veno spark doesn't add to attack speed like it does with any other melee character, right? You're also using -.1 G16s which are very rare, so you're really a 2.86 aps dd with no mastery and only 269 str. That's not very impressive.

    In all accounts, I'd prefer the veno in my squad first AD and debuff all prior to apsing.
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  • Veneir - Dreamweaver
    Veneir - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,541 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Veneir, I don't have a nix but it definitely shouldn't take more than 2 heals to fully heal your pet.
    \.
    You're kidding me, right? Nix has just bareily shy of 5K HP/will have a bit over at 101 and I have a level 89 weapon right now, it's really not that powerful/pet heal is only 30% of your magic attack.
    Anyway but yeah all my normal other pets take about one heal to heal from 70% to 93%ish~ max health dependent on the pet.
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  • dupethefile
    dupethefile Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    http://pwcalc.com/c66cf44961712a75

    This is the best build for a veno aps. 4 aps and 5 aps with genie. Has enough int for you change the fist for a magic weapon, or for a arcane armor. If you wanna more int, make some engraves in the rings.
  • Cbean - Harshlands
    Cbean - Harshlands Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    http://pwcalc.com/bc1dc24852991bd7 i feel like this is a viable build for venos , am i wrong?
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  • Cbean - Harshlands
    Cbean - Harshlands Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    dupethefile wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.com/br/c66cf44961712a75

    This is the best build for a veno aps. 4 aps and 5 aps with genie. Has enough int for you change the fist for a magic weapon, or for a arcane armor. If you wanna more int, make some engraves in the rings.

    just saw u posted, do you have an english version of that build?
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    1. the shortened term for coffee beans, or the technical term for a group of them
    2. an energetic lively individual
    3. slowest active lvler in the history of PWI
    also, more to make myself feel better than anything else, I would like to point out that I am lvl 70
  • Veneir - Dreamweaver
    Veneir - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,541 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Cbean - Harshlands wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.com/bc1dc24852991bd7 i feel like this is a viable build for venos , am i wrong?
    Can we please not put allll the other classes' buffs on and make it look rediculousily better off than it is aka 9K phys def in FF...
    -sorry personal ire.

    Anyway the other build in whatever language is available in english, just go to the right-hand upper corner where the version is and select the Perfect Word International one that appears in english and not the other languages.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I had one of these for nirvana which was kinda fun. Mine had no magic though. I don't really think you need a magic weapon to debuff since you can purge, amp, bramble, and ironwood unarmed. Pet tanks don't exist much anymore so no need for pet heal! For ranged attacks I just used my old G15+12 bow.

    I put no real effort into it since all the gear was from other characters but it plays pretty well.
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  • Cbean - Harshlands
    Cbean - Harshlands Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    thinking of having a APS set for my BM, and a AA for my veno

    is it possible that i could use both w/ restatting my veno, or hitting 105?
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    1. the shortened term for coffee beans, or the technical term for a group of them
    2. an energetic lively individual
    3. slowest active lvler in the history of PWI
    also, more to make myself feel better than anything else, I would like to point out that I am lvl 70
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    1. GL getting double -int on G16 fists
    2. Using fist at all on a veno is a bad idea, especially with TT100 Striking Dragons, which are expensive to get, expensive to NV, refines worse than something like deicides, get blown out of the water by NV and the only good part of it is the extra -0.1 int, which is easily offset by something like this (or just use regicides/deicides, IJS):

    http://pwcalc.com/deee85a9f531c43c

    70 atk levels to 30 if using the previous fist build, access to fox form with its better defense and demon speed boost, ability to use your skills (Leech; IJS fist veno is as much of a charmwhore as clawcher, except with leech you really help your survivability), avg. of 76305 DPS with genie without counting crits at all, someone with better math figure out what it is with crit

    Hell the mag sword doesn't even have extra adds. Roll some +str, crit, vit or more atk/def levels on those

    As compared to the SDs build, with ~73K dps, a whooping 4% less crit, almost a third the accuracy, more str, less mag, cannot use skills, lack of defenses, love: up and down which is craploads more expensive than pan gu, SDs, bad choice of rings, less magic attack, and for pan gu's sake who still uses TT99 gold as endgame chest piece? It's not as if you're getting interval from them. And you get less benefit in PVE from ATK-level reducing skills such as devour due to lower atk level

    And as for your build, magic swords hit harder physically than glaives.

    tl;dr more interval doesn't always equal better
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  • Seirina - Dreamweaver
    Seirina - Dreamweaver Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Cbean - Harshlands wrote: »
    just saw u posted, do you have an english version of that build?

    Your browser should have a translate button, but here I translated it for you
    http://pwcalc.com/e6c103400b96848c

    Personally I would not recommend this because it doesn't have enough magic to work with AA armor and weap.
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  • SweetAnthrax - Heavens Tear
    SweetAnthrax - Heavens Tear Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Not being able to use skills is a huge drawback. Also you won't be able to switch to fox unless you crack the weapon 1st.

    If you wish to have a veno on APS I suggest the HA build (+ all the interval gear) and a magic sword. Except for the slower chi gain a 2.22 APS build with magic sword should have very similar DPS compared to your proposed build thanks to the melee mastery, only avaiable in fox form.
  • Cbean - Harshlands
    Cbean - Harshlands Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    walpurga- imma try and figure out the lowest end DPS factoring in crit
    this is going to be rounded, so not exact
    1.77 (10k phys + 16k mag )= 46k dph x 2.22 = 102k
    102k dps x (21crit x 2.22)
    102k x (46.62 crit per sec)
    if a crit is double damage, then each time we crit, it is an extra 102k dmge per crit, and ea crit would occur once every 2.145002145 seconds, which i will call 2.15
    an extra 102k dmge every 2.15 seconds is equivalent to an extra 47441 dmge per second, so i woud really be doing
    102k
    +47k
    149k dmge per sec
    i think
    it is quite possible i a very wrong
    thoughts?
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    cbean [cbean]
    noun (see-bee-n)
    1. the shortened term for coffee beans, or the technical term for a group of them
    2. an energetic lively individual
    3. slowest active lvler in the history of PWI
    also, more to make myself feel better than anything else, I would like to point out that I am lvl 70
  • dupethefile
    dupethefile Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Cbean - Harshlands wrote: »
    just saw u posted, do you have an english version of that build?

    Sorry. http://pwcalc.com/c66cf44961712a75

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