R9 should blah blah blah nation wars...

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
edited January 2013 in Nation Wars
Its another slow day at work... and it seems like I am the only one in the office... so I am bored.

With all the talks of r9s should not squad together... r9s should not use r9 gear (use some generic gear to make geal level equal)... r9s should not this... and r9s should not that. I would just like to know how many of those who posted whatever reason to nerf r9s in whatever way actually have r9. Its not cheap to buy r9... and its definitely not cheap to refine said set. However we (r9s) get our wear require work... real life or in game... the coins/gold just doesn't pop up out of no where. It is fine if you (anyone) who put in the work to acquire r9s to complain about r9s... but if you did not put in the work to acquire said gear... what gives you the right to complain about those who did. Seriously... that is like tenderloin (SF) hobos complaining about my stuff because I have a job and worked for it.

I am g16 hat/cape (got it before nation wars) and full second cast r9 (just waiting for more badges before third cast so I won't be stuck with a below par stats). I am no way the best geared out there, considering there are targets thats just improbable for me to kill and/or can kill me with a few hits. But I find it counter productive if I were to ask anyone stronger then me to dumb themselves down to my level. After all... whats the point if I am the strongest or if everyone is the same dull gear level. And I certainly won't dumb myself down for anyone weaker then me. But I will let you guys in on a secret... there is really no such thing as player skill(s). It doesn't take many brain cells to memorize a few useful character skills and icon read your targets. Winning a fight is mostly set on who has the fastest internet connection, the least lag, and the most luck.

Before anyone say that I am QQing about whatever. Just know that I get ~50 mil on a losing nation, ~100 mil on a winning nation, and sports a full set of close to best gear available. And chances are nothing will change that will put me at any sort of notable disadvantage toward the lesser geared/leveled. There really isn't much for me to complain about... expect why isn't my lunch here yet.
1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
Post edited by Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear on
«1

Comments

  • HrunsPanda - Archosaur
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur Posts: 1,136 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Did you not yet realise that there are different ways of thinking among gamers ?

    You are obviously very proud of your R9. You worked hard for it IRL. You probably hope that we respect you or envy you. That is your way of thinking.

    Another popular way of thought is that you keep games and IRL seperated. That you play a game for what it is, a game and that you can be proud of what you work hard for ingame, but even if youre a milionair you would not spend a penny or real money on a game. They may see it as a kind of cheating. They may have many other thoughts about it that i wont voice on the forum as it is probably not appreciated.

    However, you are right, dont ***** about R9 if you play PWI. If you dont like it, play a pay per month game instead of a free to play game. OP cash shoppers are part of the deal if you choose to play.
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Its another slow day at work... and it seems like I am the only one in the office... so I am bored.

    With all the talks of r9s should not squad together... r9s should not use r9 gear (use some generic gear to make geal level equal)... r9s should not this... and r9s should not that. I would just like to know how many of those who posted whatever reason to nerf r9s in whatever way actually have r9. Its not cheap to buy r9... and its definitely not cheap to refine said set. However we (r9s) get our wear require work... real life or in game... the coins/gold just doesn't pop up out of no where. It is fine if you (anyone) who put in the work to acquire r9s to complain about r9s... but if you did not put in the work to acquire said gear... what gives you the right to complain about those who did. Seriously... that is like tenderloin (SF) hobos complaining about my stuff because I have a job and worked for it.

    I am g16 hat/cape (got it before nation wars) and full second cast r9 (just waiting for more badges before third cast so I won't be stuck with a below par stats). I am no way the best geared out there, considering there are targets thats just improbable for me to kill and/or can kill me with a few hits. But I find it counter productive if I were to ask anyone stronger then me to dumb themselves down to my level. After all... whats the point if I am the strongest or if everyone is the same dull gear level. And I certainly won't dumb myself down for anyone weaker then me. But I will let you guys in on a secret... there is really no such thing as player skill(s). It doesn't take many brain cells to memorize a few useful character skills and icon read your targets. Winning a fight is mostly set on who has the fastest internet connection, the least lag, and the most luck.

    Before anyone say that I am QQing about whatever. Just know that I get ~50 mil on a losing nation, ~100 mil on a winning nation, and sports a full set of close to best gear available. And chances are nothing will change that will put me at any sort of notable disadvantage toward the lesser geared/leveled. There really isn't much for me to complain about... expect why isn't my lunch here yet.

    what did you get for lunch?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Linc - Raging Tide
    Linc - Raging Tide Posts: 589 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    fish heads and rice

    b:bored
    I did not feel the treachery or inconstancy of a friend, nor the injuries of a secret or open enemy. I had no occasion of bribing, flattering, or pimping, to procure the favour of any great man, or of his minion; I wanted no fence against fraud or oppression: here was neither physician to destroy my body, nor lawyer to ruin my fortune; no informer to watch my words and actions, or forge accusations against me for hire: here were no gibers, censurers, backbiters, pickpockets, highwaymen, housebreakers, attorneys, bawds, buffoons, gamesters, politicians, wits, splenetics, tedious talkers, controvertists, ravishers, murderers, robbers, virtuosos; no leaders, or followers, of party and faction; no encouragers to vice, by seducement or examples; no dungeon, axes, gibbets, whipping-posts, or pillories; no cheating shopkeepers or mechanics; no pride, vanity, or affectation; no fops, bullies, drunkards, strolling prostitutes, or poxes; no ranting, lewd, expensive wives; no stupid, proud pedants; no importunate, overbearing, quarrelsome, noisy, roaring, empty, conceited, swearing companions; no scoundrels raised from the dust upon the merit of their vices, or nobility thrown into it on account of their virtues; no lords, fiddlers, judges, or dancing-masters.
    From Gulliver's Travels by Jonathan Swift
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »
    You are obviously very proud of your R9. You worked hard for it IRL. You probably hope that we respect you or envy you. That is your way of thinking.

    To clear things up. I am not really proud of my r9 or expect any respect cause of it. Its just a tool to kill some time. To be proud of my r9 is like proud of the basketball and the loose tennis balls thats sitting in my trunk. I don't play with a deflated basketball, a broken racquet, or a set of sub-par gear set. I have no problem dropping a few bucks to buy what I feel like I need. On the flip side... I also don't need some diamond studded tennis ball that I am going to hit over the fence.
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »
    Another popular way of thought is that you keep games and IRL seperated. That you play a game for what it is, a game and that you can be proud of what you work hard for ingame, but even if youre a milionair you would not spend a penny or real money on a game. They may see it as a kind of cheating. They may have many other thoughts about it that i wont voice on the forum as it is probably not appreciated.

    Someone has to make the game and host/maintain the servers. And they should get paid. I really don't see how spending any money for something you use is cause for concern. People drop 10 dollars for **** movies all the time... at least on PWI (if you plan it right) you would still have access to that ~10 dollars worth of stuff a month later.
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    what did you get for lunch?

    Apparently no one told me the caterers took today off... now I have to brave the elements to forge for food.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    Apparently no one told me the caterers took today off... now I have to brave the elements to forge for food.

    NOW you know why no one else came in!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    youtube.com/bhavenmurji
    pwcalc.com/65816fd7725681e1
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    There's such a sense of entitlement around these forums that people should have things handed to them, and it astounds me. (It's like all of the low-level factions complaining that they deserve to get land in TW.) I don't get a corner office just because I demand it. I work for it. There are rewards to working for things. That's the way the world works. This game is NOT impossible to advance in and there are plenty of ways to get money to work toward your goals. If your source of income has been removed, then adapt and find another or give up and stop playing.
    Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
    Current math challenge: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1029711&page=45
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    "Any skills that can be used to kill you will interrupt BB when successful." -truekossy | "...Sage archers are kind of like Mac owners. They are proud of the weirdest and most unnecessary things." -Aesthor | "We ALL know Jesus doesn't play PWI. He may have suffered a lot for humanity, but he'd NEVER punish himself this way." -Abstractive | "I approve of bananas." -SashaGray
  • OriginalSinX - Heavens Tear
    OriginalSinX - Heavens Tear Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    the best part of having rank 9 recast is u can 1shot little ones, and then laugh. What could be better?
  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    OriginalSinX - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    the best part of having rank 9 recast is u can 1shot little ones, and then laugh. What could be better?

    And oppress any bad feelings of being bullied @ school and just mistreated in any kind of way by killing weak people in a VIRTUAL environment, what can be better than that indeed... Do you also pleasure yourself after you 1 hit an under-geared player? b:sleep
    [SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=14516063001&dateline=1364756666[/SIGPIC] Ty Silvy :)
  • Accalica - Heavens Tear
    Accalica - Heavens Tear Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I farmed my r9 from scratch and yes, in regards to NW as it is now a coin instance, I believe it needs a balance in many ways, not just r9 wise. Idc majorly bout the 10 people in a squad thing really in terms of the end rewards, as those people are scattered everywhere thru nations. However I do see a problem in that it makes the gameplay for others less fun when you're constantly force put into wars vs those kinda squads. Gets pretty repetitive and boring being killed by the same gang with lacking forces on your own side once u're locked to certain lands. That's what kills the NW 'joy' for me personally anyway.

    I'd also like to add that I'm not a fan of being put into the same pile of jacka--es that are out there using gears as a reason to put others down. I've heard the 'Oh you talk' comments in squads related to gear, as if R9 has become a special group ingame and u're automatically seen as an ignorant ingame E-peen comparer. Guess we got the 'Look at mah shineh pixels' to blame for that one.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ~ Suspended on Silverwings ~
  • Zsw - Dreamweaver
    Zsw - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    What's funny is that my squad is mostly rank 9. It's kind of boring killing weaker players who usually get one shotted. We'd be glad to go find harder fights (get more points too). Unfortunately, all those fights are filled by lower levels before we make it in. Kind of ironic D:
    Zsw -104 Sage Assassin
    TehZsw - 100 Demon Archer


    All Luck No Skillz PvPer: youtube.com/user/zsw007
  • Cbean - Harshlands
    Cbean - Harshlands Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    What's funny is that my squad is mostly rank 9. It's kind of boring killing weaker players who usually get one shotted. We'd be glad to go find harder fights (get more points too). Unfortunately, all those fights are filled by lower levels before we make it in. Kind of ironic D:

    that must be so hard for you
    /sarcasm
    nothing wrong w/ r9, and despite being oneshot dozens of times during NW, im glad its there, so that if i hit 101, i can have some gear thats notably better than other peoplesb:dirty
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    cbean [cbean]
    noun (see-bee-n)
    1. the shortened term for coffee beans, or the technical term for a group of them
    2. an energetic lively individual
    3. slowest active lvler in the history of PWI
    also, more to make myself feel better than anything else, I would like to point out that I am lvl 70
  • Zsw - Dreamweaver
    Zsw - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Cbean - Harshlands wrote: »
    that must be so hard for you
    /sarcasm
    nothing wrong w/ r9, and despite being oneshot dozens of times during NW, im glad its there, so that if i hit 101, i can have some gear thats notably better than other peoplesb:dirty

    What? That made no sense at all, lol
    Zsw -104 Sage Assassin
    TehZsw - 100 Demon Archer


    All Luck No Skillz PvPer: youtube.com/user/zsw007
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    As a long time player, its easy to make money, whether it was by cashing or merchanting. Getting R9 was a decent hill before, getting R999+12 is a little higher hill.
    Thing is, its hard to see what the completely new players see. For most players, if you take away the knowledge of the forums, sales/merching, farming, game mechanics, your really just left in an unknown world, with some R9s one shotting you. 'Leveling fast' is about the only thing the pwi environment offers as the overall atmosphere. There is way less learning than there was in 2008-2009. If i really try to put myself in their shoes, it could be pretty much same as 2008 days insert about 100 R9s there and then see how i felt back then. I might have quit before anything motivated me to the point to research things.

    I think sometimes we take our knowledge for granted.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
    ★"New weekly quests! "Discover the bug in the patch""-Nihillae★"My father would beat me if he found out I was QQing over a virtual pony."-Neurosis★"You're amongst the biggest blobs of fail I've ever seen in my life."-Ninnuam★"A statistic said 3% people of the world get enjoyment primarily from making people upset, and you are trying to discriminate them"-ilystah★["How To Tank Rebirth Order Delta (86+)"-Stickygreen Barb (1)restat. you want full magic, Arcane armour build (2)when mobs come /faceroll on your keyboard and you will one shot all the mobs (3)rinse and repeat]★"I've been spammed with 3 poops for 2 hours."-ColdSteele★"If someone fights learning, I don't bother with them outside of amusement factor."-Telarith★"This thread is a joke right? Please say yes."-eatwithspoons★ "This is why you don't post your opinions on the internet, most of the replies you get will be from people who missed a hug or two sometime in their youth."-Alacol★"Sexy! A post with a Binomial Distribution."-Asterelle★"It's about time PW starts to separate out the noob Sins from the rest."-salvati0n★"Shoo troll >:O"-TheDan
  • OMarvelous - Sanctuary
    OMarvelous - Sanctuary Posts: 339 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I agree with the OP.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    As a long time player, its easy to make money, whether it was by cashing or merchanting. Getting R9 was a decent hill before, getting R999+12 is a little higher hill.
    Thing is, its hard to see what the completely new players see. For most players, if you take away the knowledge of the forums, sales/merching, farming, game mechanics, your really just left in an unknown world, with some R9s one shotting you. 'Leveling fast' is about the only thing the pwi environment offers as the overall atmosphere. There is way less learning than there was in 2008-2009. If i really try to put myself in their shoes, it could be pretty much same as 2008 days insert about 100 R9s there and then see how i felt back then. I might have quit before anything motivated me to the point to research things.

    I think sometimes we take our knowledge for granted.

    Really now... what about those hundreds of nixes in 2008 that goes around one shotting every non heavy user. It sucks being one shotted by nixes... but I don't recall myself crying about it.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Honestly I entirely agree with what was written above about having squads coming up against us that aren't 1 shots.

    I run in a squad full of r9 and t3 and a couple of us have r9r2 pieces.
    We're by no means the best but we work together so well in vent when we come up against a side better geared than us it actually makes you feel really awesome being in that team.

    For me I had the most fun going up against squads which are predominantly made up of people of similar or better gear in the same or rival factions.

    Everything else is sort of just a steam roll.

    Perhaps pwi should alter their system to make it so that the higher tier geared players are shunted to one area of the map or so that they can only fight other op r9 and t3 (which in some cases is better btw) squads.

    Other than that you can't really do much else about r9 people being nerfed and what not.

    Lower geared people CHOOSE to play in nw knowing full well that they're going to get 1 shot if r9s are in the same battle.

    Perhaps it's them who should not be allowed to go or restricted. It's the same principal as nerfing r9 players is it not? Except for the fact that this option is actually available to them...


    LESS QQ AND MORE PEW PEW
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    youtube.com/bhavenmurji
    pwcalc.com/65816fd7725681e1
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Really now... what about those hundreds of nixes in 2008 that goes around one shotting every non heavy user. It sucks being one shotted by nixes... but I don't recall myself crying about it.
    maybe you had super crappy gear or didnt know how to gear yourself >.>?
    i dont remember pple in sanctuary being one shot by a nix.... honestly thats a first i heard
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
    ★"New weekly quests! "Discover the bug in the patch""-Nihillae★"My father would beat me if he found out I was QQing over a virtual pony."-Neurosis★"You're amongst the biggest blobs of fail I've ever seen in my life."-Ninnuam★"A statistic said 3% people of the world get enjoyment primarily from making people upset, and you are trying to discriminate them"-ilystah★["How To Tank Rebirth Order Delta (86+)"-Stickygreen Barb (1)restat. you want full magic, Arcane armour build (2)when mobs come /faceroll on your keyboard and you will one shot all the mobs (3)rinse and repeat]★"I've been spammed with 3 poops for 2 hours."-ColdSteele★"If someone fights learning, I don't bother with them outside of amusement factor."-Telarith★"This thread is a joke right? Please say yes."-eatwithspoons★ "This is why you don't post your opinions on the internet, most of the replies you get will be from people who missed a hug or two sometime in their youth."-Alacol★"Sexy! A post with a Binomial Distribution."-Asterelle★"It's about time PW starts to separate out the noob Sins from the rest."-salvati0n★"Shoo troll >:O"-TheDan
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    maybe you had super crappy gear or didnt know how to gear yourself >.>?
    i dont remember pple in sanctuary being one shot by a nix.... honestly thats a first i heard

    Go put on tt90 gear... and see how much a nix bleeds you.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • asasasasasasasasaasas
    asasasasasasasasaasas Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I dont care about cashopers and their r999 +12 full josd gear, but i laugh at them cuz 50% of them say's "i farmed all my gear" oh god... do you rly think that the other ppl its stupid?
    Are you SO ASHAMED of yourself to lie like that?
    I know that there are a few mechant who actualy have "farmed" their gear and thats great, i also respect those who spent 10k dollars in this game and are honest about that cuz yeah, someone have to pay to keep this game alive.
    I just think that those who lie about their set "being farmed" while everyone knows that they are pro-cashoper are a shame and the reason why most ppl hate the cashopers
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Not really sure what relevance that response has to the topic but... Honestly why do people care so much about how the other person got their gear and if they're lying about it lol.. If you're saying it doesn't matter and they shouldn't be ashamed and you respect them regardless then... It really shouldn't matter if they're lying or not! Ijs!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    youtube.com/bhavenmurji
    pwcalc.com/65816fd7725681e1
  • Annonrae - Sanctuary
    Annonrae - Sanctuary Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It is fine if you (anyone) who put in the work to acquire r9s to complain about r9s... but if you did not put in the work to acquire said gear... what gives you the right to complain about those who did.

    I don't give two craps what kind of gear someone is wearing as long as it works in the squads I'm in ( BH/whatever ).

    But:

    There has been an underlying, slow trend of "R9/R9R3 or GTFO" in game that's a little... aggravating. Run into that often enough and you'll start being annoyed by anyone wearing R9/R9R3 out of principle, even if they're the nicest person under the sun.

    Another part may just be simple envy/bitterness. Let's face it, if you can't spend real money on the game for whatever reason, or if you can't let your computer run 24/7 to merchant, or if you simply don't have the time to farm a lot due to real life contraints - you won't get R9/R9R3. And then you go to NW/PK/TW and get facerolled, which leaves some people feeling bitter.

    /two cents
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Annonrae - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Another part may just be simple envy/bitterness. Let's face it, if you can't spend real money on the game for whatever reason, or if you can't let your computer run 24/7 to merchant, or if you simply don't have the time to farm a lot due to real life contraints - you won't get R9/R9R3. And then you go to NW/PK/TW and get facerolled, which leaves some people feeling bitter.

    I spend a bit over one hour at the gym per day... I'll let you know when I manage to out bench my friend who spends a good 3-5 hours per day there. Then maybe... just maybe... someone who spends little time/effort/money in game will manage to out class me.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Lavendarfae - Raging Tide
    Lavendarfae - Raging Tide Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I spend a bit over one hour at the gym per day... I'll let you know when I manage to out bench my friend who spends a good 3-5 hours per day there. Then maybe... just maybe... someone who spends little time/effort/money in game will manage to out class me.

    10 hours at work, an hour at the gym, and then 13 hours talking about this game in the forums? Seriously? You live and breath this game. Thats why you are constantly comparing this game to real life. You cant tell the difference. Working out has nothing to do with this game. Hours spent making a living has nothing to do with this game. Stop comparing them. Because honestly, there will be people who will be just as "skilled" as you in the game who do not spend nearly as much time or money. Actually, there will be people who spend less time at the gym then you who will be able to outbench you. Sometimes ability has nothing to do with effort...

    And to anyone who thinks that NW should be an "endgame R9, G16 what have you" only event. Thats a great idea. Take something that can be fun for newer players and make it just for people who have really done everything that can be done with this game and are just buying time until they find a new one to play. The game needs new players, who may end up wanting to spend money on it. Not old players who are just a stones throw away from calling it quits, but due to some reason that probably has little to do with the actual game havent yet.

    Like I said before, I really do not mind spending a battle being one shot by a squad of better geared players in NW. Its actually a good time to go get a drink and I want people to want to do the event. I find it to be very fun and the more people who do it the more fun there is to be had. I do find the fact that NW seems to have brought out a huge gear ego freakfest to be a trip though. Virtual gear really is meaningless and all I can see when any of you go on and on about it is someone who has a giant "L" branded into your forehead. Its not a good look.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Lavendarfae - Raging Tide wrote: »
    10 hours at work, an hour at the gym, and then 13 hours talking about this game in the forums? Seriously? You live and breath this game. Thats why you are constantly comparing this game to real life. You cant tell the difference. Working out has nothing to do with this game. Hours spent making a living has nothing to do with this game. Stop comparing them. Because honestly, there will be people who will be just as "skilled" as you in the game who do not spend nearly as much time or money. Actually, there will be people who spend less time at the gym then you who will be able to outbench you. Sometimes ability has nothing to do with effort...

    I think its been well established (by me) that there are people out there who are just as skilled or even better then me. But instead of being concerned about what you can do... you are really going to be concerned about what other people can do vs other people.
    Lavendarfae - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Take something that can be fun for newer players and make it just for people who have really done everything that can be done with this game and are just buying time until they find a new one to play.

    Maybe you can teach these newer players out there to "not spend nearly as much time or money" as me... and still be "just as skilled" as me. I most certainly won't mind the challenge.
    Lavendarfae - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Like I said before, I really do not mind spending a battle being one shot by a squad of better geared players in NW. Its actually a good time to go get a drink and I want people to want to do the event. I find it to be very fun and the more people who do it the more fun there is to be had. I do find the fact that NW seems to have brought out a huge gear ego freakfest to be a trip though. Virtual gear really is meaningless and all I can see when any of you go on and on about it is someone who has a giant "L" branded into your forehead. Its not a good look.

    I guess that's the difference between you and I. I do mind getting one shotted... and I most certainly mind being the weakest link. That being said... no one really gives a rat's furry *** who joins nation war... bring in anyone you can for all I care. It's not like I care to distinguish between who I shoot at anyways. I know I have an ego... I know there are people out there with better gear... I also know that I won't dumb myself down for the likes of the chronic underachiever.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Again if it truly doesn't matter why do so many get so butthurt.

    I'm constantly being pmd whenever I kill someone with swear words and other obscenities by someone who most probably is bitter about my gear.

    Okay so I don't really go around telling everyone that I'm rank 9 recast 2 and most people don't know it.

    All I see is people who don't spend the time on the game to have their rank 9 constantly QQing expecting rights.

    YOU may not have an issue with being 1 shot all the time in a nation war battle but it seems that you just might be one of the more sensible ones.

    I wasn't talking about stopping nation wars completely for those who are not t3/r9+ just perhaps another nation war mode for lower geared players.

    That would perhaps sort out all these issues.

    And also whatever you said about ability is pretty mug what kiyoshi said tbh I guess you just missed the point.

    But like so many people will tell you, ability can only go so far. It's very rare to find someone with a big difference in gear triumphing 1v1 against someone with the higher of the 2 sets.

    But of course none of this matters because virtual gear is meaningless.

    People go on and on about r9 being too op and players with lesser gear are so out geared etc.


    Don't you get it?! That's the freaking point lol r9 is not made to be easy to get.

    It feels like there's 2 clear divisions here fighting against each other. And since I have r9 I guess that decides where I go so I will say this.


    All I see is butthurt QQ from out geared players who for whatever reason have not put in the work to get r9. Then they demand rights over the players who actually keep this game alive by cash shopping such as gear nerf etc.

    Honestly - why are you still surprised pwi will favour the cash shopper over the non cash shopper. Go and play a subscription game and qq less. No one likes a bunch of Edward Cullens
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    youtube.com/bhavenmurji
    pwcalc.com/65816fd7725681e1
  • BUSHE - Archosaur
    BUSHE - Archosaur Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I like how defensive some of you Rank 9s are getting about the gear. The fact of the matter is that unbalanced games die sooner than other games because game balance is a normal element of game design. That nix you were QQ'ing about earlier being so OP? They nerfed the venomancer because they used to know that. The games that have stood the test of time are all balanced. Chess? Balanced. Go? Balanced. Basketball? Balanced. All the longest running mmos? balanced. But yes, continue to think the world revolves around you and that anyone who is beneath you are lazy butt hurt and whatever other derogatory thing you want to call them. Instead of it just being people pointing out an obvious flaw in game design and looking for solutions around it. Continue thinking that someone with far more skill and gear appropriate for their level should lose 90% of the time in a balanced game just because you've been playing longer. That's exactly the kind of bs elitist attitude that has so many people against ya by the way. It's not the gear. It's not envy. It's the way many of you talk down to people and treat people who aren't in your little circle. You want respect? Show it.
  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    BUSHE - Archosaur wrote: »
    I like how defensive some of you Rank 9s are getting about the gear. The fact of the matter is that unbalanced games die sooner than other games because game balance is a normal element of game design. That nix you were QQ'ing about earlier being so OP? They nerfed the venomancer because they used to know that. The games that have stood the test of time are all balanced. Chess? Balanced. Go? Balanced. Basketball? Balanced. All the longest running mmos? balanced. But yes, continue to think the world revolves around you and that anyone who is beneath you are lazy butt hurt and whatever other derogatory thing you want to call them. Instead of it just being people pointing out an obvious flaw in game design and looking for solutions around it. Continue thinking that someone with far more skill and gear appropriate for their level should lose 90% of the time in a balanced game just because you've been playing longer. That's exactly the kind of bs elitist attitude that has so many people against ya by the way. It's not the gear. It's not envy. It's the way many of you talk down to people and treat people who aren't in your little circle. You want respect? Earn it.
    Fixed!
    [SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=14516063001&dateline=1364756666[/SIGPIC] Ty Silvy :)
  • Reliea - Sanctuary
    Reliea - Sanctuary Posts: 685 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Complaining about people complaining about rank gear is amusing.
    Of course you're not going to complain about it if you have it.
    Any r9+ player who can look me in the eye and say they're not horribly over powered gets crowned as the best liar in the world <.<
    If I had it, yes I would say it's awesome, but I wouldn't try to fool anyone into believing that it's in any way balanced, even compared to the best non-rank stuff you could get.

    If the only defense against r9 is to get r9 I don't exactly see fun times ahead.

    So I don't really blame people for trying to think of ways to make NW more fun and balanced for everyone.
  • Star_Prism - Archosaur
    Star_Prism - Archosaur Posts: 216 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    But I will let you guys in on a secret... there is really no such thing as player skill(s). It doesn't take many brain cells to memorize a few useful character skills and icon read your targets. Winning a fight is mostly set on who has the fastest internet connection, the least lag, and the most luck.

    I have to call you on this, total BS. There is skill involved, maybe not for those who power level and use their fancy gear to compensate for the fact they have none; but for those who enjoy playing and take the time to learn, oh yes.

    For an example of skill, in Sunday's NW I managed to hold on long enough in a battle were it was me alone against 9 opponents. I was my Wiz who was only level 78. Not only did I last 5 minutes alone until help arrived, I managed to dig the flag once and prevent them from getting the flag a second time after their first capture. Once I had help we ended up winning that land and when I left I still had 2 respawns left and was ranked 1st.
    I can easily be one shot because I'm Arcane geared, but I used evasion to keep from getting killed and sneak attacks to stop them from digging. And it had nothing to do with fast internet, my average ping in NW is about 200, and I was using every thing I had from genie to my spells (including ones I rarely use) to keep the battle going.

    So don't try to tell me there is no skill involved in this game.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    star-chaster.deviantart.com

    star-chaster.tumblr.com
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    BUSHE - Archosaur wrote: »
    I like how defensive some of you Rank 9s are getting about the gear. The fact of the matter is that unbalanced games die sooner than other games because game balance is a normal element of game design. That nix you were QQ'ing about earlier being so OP? They nerfed the venomancer because they used to know that. The games that have stood the test of time are all balanced. Chess? Balanced. Go? Balanced. Basketball? Balanced. All the longest running mmos? balanced. But yes, continue to think the world revolves around you and that anyone who is beneath you are lazy butt hurt and whatever other derogatory thing you want to call them. Instead of it just being people pointing out an obvious flaw in game design and looking for solutions around it. Continue thinking that someone with far more skill and gear appropriate for their level should lose 90% of the time in a balanced game just because you've been playing longer. That's exactly the kind of bs elitist attitude that has so many people against ya by the way. It's not the gear. It's not envy. It's the way many of you talk down to people and treat people who aren't in your little circle. You want respect? Show it.

    None of those example games are as difficult to balance as an MMO. People have been saying PWI will die for years, yet it is still here. Is it in its decline? Sure. But I've been here almost four years now and have seen many doomsayers come and go.

    Do I think r9 is OP? Sure. Stupidly OP and totally unnecessary in the game. But you know what? I also recognize the need to adapt, even if it means adopting r9. I want to be competitive in PvP. If that makes me an elitist, then so be it. I do not enjoy one-shotting lowbies, there is no joy in any of that for me. I also do not enjoy steamrolling low factions in TW.

    Lastly, and this really annoys me, but why does everyone with "good gear" have to clearly lack skill and everyone that's a low level or with "sub par gear" have to have great amounts of skill? That works both ways. I know plenty of crappy players, some who have endgame gear and some who have tt80. It's a flawed argument to say that having "bad gear" (or whatever) makes you good. The same applies to both parties. As a full r9, I still get one-shot pretty often.
    Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
    Current math challenge: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1029711&page=45
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    "Any skills that can be used to kill you will interrupt BB when successful." -truekossy | "...Sage archers are kind of like Mac owners. They are proud of the weirdest and most unnecessary things." -Aesthor | "We ALL know Jesus doesn't play PWI. He may have suffered a lot for humanity, but he'd NEVER punish himself this way." -Abstractive | "I approve of bananas." -SashaGray
This discussion has been closed.

Categories