Endgame APS Build: R9s3

Tsyren - Archosaur
Tsyren - Archosaur Posts: 78 Arc User
edited December 2012 in Assassin
In the approaching age of Rank 9 stage 3, we see many full Rank 9s with third recast. However, I believe that aps might be still viable, especially with killing some of the tankier PKers.

In PvP, do you think a build such as:
http://pwcalc.com/f11f42c7e3a50388
will still be viable? After all, it has pretty decent defenses (and doesn't even have endgame refines).
This is the same example but with "decked out" refines and gems:
http://pwcalc.com/887e16c32806747a

(Please note that I'll be able to switch to Lionheart ornaments for a base of 2.86 aps).
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  • skaitavia
    skaitavia Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Personally no, I do not see this build being viable anymore. TT99/G12 gear is just outgeared nowadays.

    The best thing to do is to have two sets of gear. One built around APS with R8r gear for tanky targets like HA users, and one built around DPH for LA and AA users. That's what I'm doing.
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  • RunningTiger - Dreamweaver
    RunningTiger - Dreamweaver Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    You are probably better off with this http://pwcalc.com/c97ce02c59a5b436 obviusly the tome and the r9 ring should get upgraded with nation wars also.
  • opkossy
    opkossy Posts: 11,177 Community Moderator
    edited December 2012
    Sage Dagger Devotion + Demon Chill?

    ... wut? :|
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    OPKossy wrote: »
    Sage Dagger Devotion + Demon Chill?

    ... wut? :|

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  • opkossy
    opkossy Posts: 11,177 Community Moderator
    edited December 2012
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Savant in weapon is OP
    *checks*
    *facepalms*

    This thread... just... this thread...

    And I can't even be constructive because Skai already answered well enough.
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  • skaitavia
    skaitavia Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I just saw the icons for a typical TT99/G12 APS gear setup, so assumed nothing was awry b:surrender.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Ugh.

    Sins have a literal crapton of control skills... and yet we have people who think it's somehow appropriate for us to just spam Headhunt, Occult Ice and faceroll?

    It was already a bad strategy against R9s, but now with NW and most of the R9s upgrading straight to R9s3, the APS is going to be even less effective.
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  • opkossy
    opkossy Posts: 11,177 Community Moderator
    edited December 2012
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ugh.

    Sins have a literal crapton of control skills... and yet we have people who think it's somehow appropriate for us to just spam Headhunt, Occult Ice and faceroll?

    It was already a bad strategy against R9s, but now with NW and most of the R9s upgrading straight to R9s3, the APS is going to be even less effective.

    And yet half the sins around still think stun -> Twitch is going to solve all their problems... and the same applies to BMs as well. In NW earlier I had some R9 BM hit me for decent damage with axes and stun me... then equip striking dragons and attempt to APS me for pitiful damage. And the number of sins I've fought that killed themselves on bramble trying to twitch me to death is pathetic.

    People really need to wake up and realize APS isn't that effective in PvP anymore and leaves you insanely squishy as a consequence.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    OPKossy wrote: »
    And yet half the sins around still think stun -> Twitch is going to solve all their problems... and the same applies to BMs as well. In NW earlier I had some R9 BM hit me for decent damage with axes and stun me... then equip striking dragons and attempt to APS me for pitiful damage. And the number of sins I've fought that killed themselves on bramble trying to twitch me to death is pathetic.

    Well, I don't really PvP outside of COF. But even in there, I meet tons of BMs and sins and even archers whose first instinct is to Demon Spark on me. Demon spark on a Sage sin, that's totally the smartest idea of the day. Most of those people end up being free kills.

    In fact, being a standard 4.0 base sin with a +10 G13 does kinda leave me QQing about Venos in COF.

    Then again, I think the new Seat boss they put in kinda showed how deeply the APS has been engraved into the community. It's like every barb knows that a BM is going to get themselves killed and they just run around pulling the boss like it's the normal thing to do.

    In fact, one of the aspects that I liked about playing a sin was managing all of my control skills. Being a sin, I get away with a lot of awful stuff, like Shadow Teleport -> Headhunt, or Deep Sting -> Knife Throw.
    People really need to wake up and realize APS isn't that effective in PvP anymore and leaves you insanely squishy as a consequence.

    Well, you could still make it work. As Skai put it, you can get some pretty hefty defenses with recast R8. Add to that a Mantle of Radiance and you can get 20:4 JoSD:Primeval, which is pretty good.

    Then again, people are always looking for the easiest way out. Sins use Occult Ice, Headhunt, stealth and aps. Barbs do crits with Armageddon. Psys got Stone Smasher. Seekers have Gemini Slash, Sacrificial Slash and QPQ. Mystics have Lucky Break + Thicket. Wizards got BIDS.
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  • Tsyren - Archosaur
    Tsyren - Archosaur Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Gah, sorry about the mistakes in the PWcalcs; I was using a friend's link to edit because it was easier.

    Well, here's the thing.
    Currently there are only.... two, I think full recast R9R3s. I've been able to kill most of the Rank 9 +12s on my server with aps, without anything else than G13 +10.
    Also, I'm a bit pressed for money. I don't think I can get anything more expensive than the total amount I linked in the 1st link.

    Btw, I'm not one of those 5aps>hurdurr sins as you people seem to think. I actually use my skills, can play DPH, and I only triple spark defensively if at all. I don't even have occult ice on my genie, because I rely on a vit/mag genie so I defend from the R9+12 sins coming out of stealth <_<
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I love sins who triple spark b:cute. The amount of love i have for them. I switch my claws in. As soon as their spark is over, i smack. They stand there. I roar, i whip out my claws. Most die by first roar end. If they don't, drake bash, by that time, the spark is off, the sin's only chance is to escape, but most sins don't have 14~20k hp, so they die when i hit them for 1~3k per hit for 2~6 seconds. I could use axes on the sins, but i need to build chi to, so i use claws on them b:laugh.

    As for topic on hand, i guess when i start seeing more sins in r9 3rd cast walking around, i'll know. People may go 2nd cast, but quite a few will not go 3rd cast simply because they don't do warsong. Until those badges become a pack item, some classes will not make the switch to 3rd casts.

    For pve purposes i think r9 3rd cast daggers should preform better than r9 daggers b:dirty.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Tsyren - Archosaur wrote: »
    Well, here's the thing.
    Currently there are only.... two, I think full recast R9R3s.

    That's because there were very few people who actually kept their R9rr pieces.

    Once we get another long 2x drop, it'll be followed by a bunch of r9rr's surfacing. Eventually you'll see most of the previously R9+12's converted to R9rr+12.
    I've been able to kill most of the Rank 9 +12s on my server with aps, without anything else than G13 +10.

    Fact of the day: Most R9+12's are fully cash shopped, resulting in their players being morons who depend on their gear to keep them afloat. Not to mention that most R9s aren't even fully sharded with JoSD.
    Also, I'm a bit pressed for money. I don't think I can get anything more expensive than the total amount I linked in the 1st link.

    Well let's be honest for a moment. Going for R9rr when the rest of your gear is pretty much **** is a full-on glass cannon route. You'll depend on being able to kill your enemy before they can retaliate. Because if they can retaliate, you're fried salmon.

    The most durable R9s simply will not die to your APS because of their massive defense and HP. And the most notable such cases would be Seekers and Barbarians, both of whom are well-equipped to one-shotting you if you give them the chance. We've already seen calamities oneshotting full R9 mystics, and Seekers can just pull off Soulsever + Sacrificial Slash + Quid Pro Quo + Gemini Slash.
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  • Tigerninja - Heavens Tear
    Tigerninja - Heavens Tear Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    b:angry bring the -int dagger then!!! sins are supposed to be 1v1 pvp characters. pw plz consider putting mats for -int R9 S3 dags in boutique. i have money to pay for it b:laugh

    those who are not happy with this suggestion can still farm their own stuffs by running around hell to look for herbs b:surrender

    this game is all about money b:laugh
  • opkossy
    opkossy Posts: 11,177 Community Moderator
    edited December 2012
    Tigerninja - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    b:angry bring the -int dagger then!!! sins are supposed to be 1v1 pvp characters. pw plz consider putting mats for -int R9 S3 dags in boutique. i have money to pay for it b:laugh

    those who are not happy with this suggestion can still farm their own stuffs by running around hell to look for herbs b:surrender

    this game is all about money b:laugh

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