Why all the NV3 bashing from r9 players?

PinkToppings - Heavens Tear
PinkToppings - Heavens Tear Posts: 29 Arc User
edited December 2012 in General Discussion
So a couple of weeks ago I made a thread on whether I should get 3rd cast NV or r9 for endgame gear for my psychic and mystic. I eventually chose 3rd cast NV because I saw that the stats were as good as rank 9 first cast and the cost was significantly cheaper than rank 9 alone. I also noticed that NV3 actually has better base defenses than r9-1, although r9-1 has more def lvls.

My dilemma with obtaining this gear is some players still consider NV3 worse than FIRST CAST r9. My psychic friend was trying to join a full WS squad today, but was kicked in favor of a rank 9 psychic who was only first cast. Their HP pools were about the same and both of their weapons were +10 with 2 sapphire gems.

I understand that r9-1 opens the door for 2nd and 3rd cast rank 9, which blows NV3 out the water. Someone in WC even said NV3 gear is "outdated". How is it outdated? Not all players can obtain billions of coins for 1st cast and 2nd cast rank 9. I see that this is mostly coming from rank 9 players. And maybe because they spent hundreds of millions of coins on rank 9, they feel they are elite enough to bash a cheaper set of gear that is as good as theirs? Idk.
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  • Baby_pho - Heavens Tear
    Baby_pho - Heavens Tear Posts: 636 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    maybe the other psy was a friend? idk i'd totally kick strangers on wc to let my friend/ faction mate in.


    edit: regardless of gear
  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    PinkToppings - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So a couple of weeks ago I made a thread on whether I should get 3rd cast NV or r9 for endgame gear for my psychic and mystic. I eventually chose 3rd cast NV because I saw that the stats were as good as rank 9 first cast and the cost was significantly cheaper than rank 9 alone. I also noticed that NV3 actually has better base defenses than r9-1, although r9-1 has more def lvls.

    My dilemma with obtaining this gear is some players still consider NV3 worse than FIRST CAST r9. My psychic friend was trying to join a full WS squad today, but was kicked in favor of a rank 9 psychic who was only first cast. Their HP pools were about the same and both of their weapons were +10 with 2 sapphire gems.

    I understand that r9-1 opens the door for 2nd and 3rd cast rank 9, which blows NV3 out the water. Someone in WC even said NV3 gear is "outdated". How is it outdated? Not all players can obtain billions of coins for 1st cast and 2nd cast rank 9. I see that this is mostly coming from rank 9 players. And maybe because they spent hundreds of millions of coins on rank 9, they feel they are elite enough to bash a cheaper set of gear that is as good as theirs? Idk.

    Its because your assumptions and comparisons from N3 and R9 are wrong. And most likely because if you're talking about it in game, as you are here - you're coming across as a whiner.

    N3 is fine, works well - its not outdated. But even at max stats it's still 10% weaker than R9 on non Proc weapon classes (even further behind on Proc weapon classes). It's still very good for PK/TW/NW, and still way overpowered for PvE.

    If someone is kicking an equal refined R9 vs N3 then they're just being elitist, stupid, or coming up with a reason to kick the N3 person because they don't like them, or like the R9 person better due to whatever.
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  • Geckofreak - Sanctuary
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary Posts: 2,280 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    For psychics and assassins, r9 is better offensively, for all old weapons, g16 vana hits harder, and refines better. G16 vana is also better in case of base defense then even r999.

    R9 people dont like many g16 vana people because they view g16 vana as a cheap knockoff of their gear, since they spent so much on r9. I almost view every g16 vana weapon i see now as a cheap knockoff of mine because of the ease to get it now since NW, costing merely 50m for 250 raps instead of 450m when i bought mine

    Edit: Saw Maelaels post. Completely wrong, do the calculations and you will find all g16 vana weapons hit harder then their equivalent r9 and even r99 counterpart, excluding the daggers and spheres. 10% less damage? absolutely not
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  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »
    For psychics and assassins, r9 is better offensively, for all old weapons, g16 vana hits harder, and refines better. G16 vana is also better in case of base defense then even r999.

    R9 people dont like many g16 vana people because they view g16 vana as a cheap knockoff of their gear, since they spent so much on r9. I almost view every g16 vana weapon i see now as a cheap knockoff of mine because of the ease to get it now since NW, costing merely 50m for 250 raps instead of 450m when i bought mine

    Gecko stop posting. You're wrong, and countless people have done the math to prove otherwise - its even int he forums. Wasn't yesterdays thread enough embarrassment for you?
    pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f5
  • PinkToppings - Heavens Tear
    PinkToppings - Heavens Tear Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Baby_pho - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    maybe the other psy was a friend? idk i'd totally kick strangers on wc to let my friend/ faction mate in.


    edit: regardless of gear

    That's possible. I only heard my friend's side of the story so I don't know if the other psychic could have been a friend.
  • PinkToppings - Heavens Tear
    PinkToppings - Heavens Tear Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    But even at max stats it's still 10% weaker than R9 on non Proc weapon classes (even further behind on Proc weapon classes).

    Is there a thread or link related to this? I don't know where to search.

    I am aware that the crit rates are higher for the r9 weapons. For instance, I know a psychic r9 weapon gives at 4% more crit than a g16 weapon with no crit bonuses.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    While it's true G16 is around as good as R9 at the same refines, R9 is more expensive.
    A player with R9 is seen as more affluent and is assumed to have much higher refines and better overall gear.
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  • Geckofreak - Sanctuary
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary Posts: 2,280 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Gecko stop posting. You're wrong, and countless people have done the math to prove otherwise - its even int he forums. Wasn't yesterdays thread enough embarrassment for you?

    Tell me how i was wrong? Who else has done the math?

    r9 axe bm
    http://pwcalc.com/64b0c89568409261
    g16 axe bm
    http://pwcalc.com/1f4c7aa1f3a5c5ec
    R9 Poleaxe Barb
    http://pwcalc.com/830b4f8ca6fd929d
    g16 poleaxe barb
    http://pwcalc.com/4300c8d81ac4307d
    r9 sword seeker
    http://pwcalc.com/f101157558527003
    g16 sword seeker
    http://pwcalc.com/1697afdb2b103cd4
    r9 mag sword wizard
    http://pwcalc.com/4670497d6b196ddb
    g16 mag sword wizard
    http://pwcalc.com/9d0421478cfdb92d
    r9 pataka veno
    http://pwcalc.com/6c5decd556a7b241
    g16 pataka veno
    http://pwcalc.com/f3729a151aaf1691
    r9 glaive cleric
    http://pwcalc.com/0526314424897d62
    g16 glaive cleric
    http://pwcalc.com/58eab4cb813dcced
    r9 wand mystic
    http://pwcalc.com/d0b19aa25f1e2c46
    g16 wand mystic
    http://pwcalc.com/1f3df911977ff0ec
    r9 sphere psychic
    http://pwcalc.com/ef6abaf0a48929b0
    g16 sphere psychic
    http://pwcalc.com/6c7dc0e7383a2437
    r9 bow archer
    http://pwcalc.com/7f41b815a999d47e
    g16 bow archer
    http://pwcalc.com/fbfa302b61ab4ebb
    r9 dagger assassin
    http://pwcalc.com/fcfe1eb547faa1b5
    g16 dagger assassin
    http://pwcalc.com/43c48b4a05af3aa8

    All builds are the base requirements to use an r9 weapon. G16 weapons have less requirement to use. All weapons are +12, no shards. The g16 weapons have no added stats on them, so with luck could become even stronger. No buffs or mastery are used.

    I'll admit, i was wrong. G16 daggers hit more then r9 daggers, once refined, but base r9 daggers are stronger, and mystics r9 wand hits more then g16 wand. On all other accounts, g16 is base stronger. G16 also allows for more customization. allowing archers to use xbows or slingshots, and seekers to use dual swords to achieve more damage. In terms of base damage, g16 hits harder, but r9 may be more valuable for melee classes due to the gof, archers do to the spirit blackhole, and in magic classes because of channeling on some weapons.

    Also as for yesterdays embarrassment . It is you all who ridicule me with no proof who should be embarrassed. Honestly, if you fail, it doesn't mean others haven't succeeded.
    b:victory

    Edit:
    I find it ironic in a forum named after r9 players insulting g16 players, that very event occurs b:laugh
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    While it's true G16 is around as good as R9 at the same refines, R9 is more expensive.
    A player with R9 is seen as more affluent and is assumed to have much higher refines and better overall gear.

    Not EVERYONE feels this way.

    I can kill R9 archers 1v1 in NW/TW, all I've got is R8/TT99/Nirvana second cast pants.

    Just because someone has R9, in any recast form, with any refines, doesn't mean that they have any clue how to play the character they have.
    101 Sage Sin*/Archer
    100 Demon BM*/Barb
    96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
    95 Demon Wiz/
    94 Sage Veno
    85 Psy/80 Mystic
    And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
    *Pre RB level
  • FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear
    FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Geck are you the new forum ****** or something? My God you're dumb LOL
    Just getting ready for Christmas.

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  • Geckofreak - Sanctuary
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary Posts: 2,280 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Geck are you the new forum ****** or something? My God you're dumb LOL

    I'm dumb when i present irrevocable proof
    That makes a ton of sense.
    Honestly, for once could people admit they are wrong instead of resulting to absolute trash talking with no foreseeable benefits for anyone?
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  • FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear
    FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Your proof isn't sound. The proof of your stupidity is in your own posts.

    That's all anyone needs.

    I now dub thee, the tweakz or the archer race.
    Just getting ready for Christmas.

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  • PinkToppings - Heavens Tear
    PinkToppings - Heavens Tear Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Gecko, I appreciate you proving your point through the links you provided. I wish the ones disagreeing with you would show proof as to why they disagree with you.
  • Jacerai - Dreamweaver
    Jacerai - Dreamweaver Posts: 943 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Edit:
    I find it ironic in a forum named after r9 players insulting g16 players, that very event occurs b:laugh

    Just thought this needed to be quoted.
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    Why the rage? It's a draining emotion.

    Me: DaValentine (veno), Jaceraie (mystic), etc etc etc b:chuckle
  • Geckofreak - Sanctuary
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary Posts: 2,280 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Your proof isn't sound. The proof of your stupidity is in your own posts.

    That's all anyone needs.
    My proof isn't sound. g16 weapons with no stats on them hitting higher base damage then the r9 on every occasion other then psychic and mystic isn't sound proof. also having an extra 10 attack level with weapon too.

    I would do full gear builds to compare, but I lack that time.
    I'm going to go eat now, looking forward to seeing your continued obnoxious attempts at degrading me as an attempt to prevent yourself from accepting the truth, when I return.
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  • FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear
    FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    The intelligent people in this game know you're wrong. All you've done the past couple days is make rampant claims on stats/facts yet you've been wrong on almost everything. I'm not the only one that's called you out on this. b:chuckle

    It's ok though, when you actually get to a point where you're not a random scrub, if it happens, I shall be here to guide you to glory. b:thanks

    Edit: Why does it say I'm level 93 >:|
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  • Jacerai - Dreamweaver
    Jacerai - Dreamweaver Posts: 943 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The intelligent people in this game know you're wrong. All you've done the past couple days is make rampant claims on stats/facts yet you've been wrong on almost everything. I'm not the only one that's called you out on this. b:chuckle

    It's ok though, when you actually get to a point where you're not a random scrub, if it happens, I shall be here to guide you to glory. b:thanks

    Edit: Why does it say I'm level 93 >:|

    I hate being the bearer of terribly obvious things, but...I would actually like to see some screenshots/builds/etc that support your facts (not of Gecko's knowledge or lack there of. I do not care about petty bickering. I would like to see something that supports your 10% claim and such).

    I do not mean this to be mean. At all. I am just very odd in my mind-set of seeing builds and working from there.

    Edit: I have G16 friends and R9 friends. I only want facts, not angry childish rants please.
    b:cute The world may be small, but it is far from known.

    Why the rage? It's a draining emotion.

    Me: DaValentine (veno), Jaceraie (mystic), etc etc etc b:chuckle
  • Cotillion - Dreamweaver
    Cotillion - Dreamweaver Posts: 671 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Tell me how i was wrong? Who else has done the math?
    Who else? I have yet to see any from all your anti-rank9 posts the last few days. Any dummy can link up characters with no gear except weapon and claim its the best. You have turned out to be one the biggest gear-elitist players I've seen on these forums and have nothing to back it up. You are the damned best in your own eyes and your gear is unsurpassed and **** on anyone who thinks or has otherwise. You are the king of the damned castle, now shut up about how awesome your g16 bow is and move on.

    Anyway....alot of NV3 bashing is likely stemming from the fact that g16 Nirvana is poised to be everywhere. Its widespread availability for very little cost puts so many people in this gear.....who can't afford to refine it. Rank9 - people would more likely assume someone who spent for it, has spent for refines, shards and other gear as well.
    I saw an archer with a g16 bow, g15 pants....and tt90/rank6 gear filling in the rest of the spots. People like that are the cause of what you are experiencing.
  • AshenSkies - Heavens Tear
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    While it's true G16 is around as good as R9 at the same refines, R9 is more expensive.
    A player with R9 is seen as more affluent and is assumed to have much higher refines and better overall gear.

    If I know the name of the R9 person I assume they have good refines.

    Otherwise they're all random noobs with +5 gear that I can 1 shot easily.
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  • Jacerai - Dreamweaver
    Jacerai - Dreamweaver Posts: 943 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Am I the only one who looks at this thread and see that it seems to have degraded into a "roast of Gecko"?

    Mayhap I have not been as diligent on the forums of late, but please...b:surrender
    b:cute The world may be small, but it is far from known.

    Why the rage? It's a draining emotion.

    Me: DaValentine (veno), Jaceraie (mystic), etc etc etc b:chuckle
  • FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear
    FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Jacerai - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I hate being the bearer of terribly obvious things, but...I would actually like to see some screenshots/builds/etc that support your facts (not of Gecko's knowledge or lack there of. I do not care about petty bickering. I would like to see something that supports your 10% claim and such).

    I do not mean this to be mean. At all. I am just very odd in my mind-set of seeing builds and working from there.

    Edit: I have G16 friends and R9 friends. I only want facts, not angry childish rants please.

    There are plenty and I mean plenty of things on these forums that shows in what regards g16 nirv and R9 are good/bad/equal for. I don't need to post any of it (not that I would bother to look for that stuff anyways) because I'm a veteran enough of a player to know these sorts of things. It's not my fault that people like Gecko are clueless to such a high level about these sorts of things. That's all there is to it. If yourself or others don't appreciate my approach then oh well.

    Hi Surreal b:dirty
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  • AshenSkies - Heavens Tear
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    There are plenty and I mean plenty of things on these forums that shows in what regards g16 nirv and R9 are good/bad/equal for. I don't need to post any of it (not that I would bother to look for that stuff anyways) because I'm a veteran enough of a player to know these sorts of things. That's all there is to it. If yourself or others don't appreciate my approach then oh well.

    Hi Surreal b:dirty

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  • LaYsDiL - Harshlands
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Wouldnt say bashing more like bening right on the fact r9 is way better then n3...not even going to waste mytime to explain..go check pwicalc?...i will agree though n3 is cheap and prutty good gear
  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Tell me how i was wrong? Who else has done the math?

    r9 axe bm
    http://pwcalc.com/64b0c89568409261
    g16 axe bm
    http://pwcalc.com/1f4c7aa1f3a5c5ec
    R9 Poleaxe Barb
    http://pwcalc.com/830b4f8ca6fd929d
    g16 poleaxe barb
    http://pwcalc.com/4300c8d81ac4307d
    r9 sword seeker
    http://pwcalc.com/f101157558527003
    g16 sword seeker
    http://pwcalc.com/1697afdb2b103cd4
    r9 mag sword wizard
    http://pwcalc.com/4670497d6b196ddb
    g16 mag sword wizard
    http://pwcalc.com/9d0421478cfdb92d
    r9 pataka veno
    http://pwcalc.com/6c5decd556a7b241
    g16 pataka veno
    http://pwcalc.com/f3729a151aaf1691
    r9 glaive cleric
    http://pwcalc.com/0526314424897d62
    g16 glaive cleric
    http://pwcalc.com/58eab4cb813dcced
    r9 wand mystic
    http://pwcalc.com/d0b19aa25f1e2c46
    g16 wand mystic
    http://pwcalc.com/1f3df911977ff0ec
    r9 sphere psychic
    http://pwcalc.com/ef6abaf0a48929b0
    g16 sphere psychic
    http://pwcalc.com/6c7dc0e7383a2437
    r9 bow archer
    http://pwcalc.com/7f41b815a999d47e
    g16 bow archer
    http://pwcalc.com/fbfa302b61ab4ebb
    r9 dagger assassin
    http://pwcalc.com/fcfe1eb547faa1b5
    g16 dagger assassin
    http://pwcalc.com/43c48b4a05af3aa8

    All builds are the base requirements to use an r9 weapon. G16 weapons have less requirement to use. All weapons are +12, no shards. The g16 weapons have no added stats on them, so with luck could become even stronger. No buffs or mastery are used.

    I'll admit, i was wrong. G16 daggers hit more then r9 daggers, once refined, but base r9 daggers are stronger, and mystics r9 wand hits more then g16 wand. On all other accounts, g16 is base stronger. G16 also allows for more customization. allowing archers to use xbows or slingshots, and seekers to use dual swords to achieve more damage. In terms of base damage, g16 hits harder, but r9 may be more valuable for melee classes due to the gof, archers do to the spirit blackhole, and in magic classes because of channeling on some weapons.

    Also as for yesterdays embarrassment . It is you all who ridicule me with no proof who should be embarrassed. Honestly, if you fail, it doesn't mean others haven't succeeded.
    b:victory

    Edit:
    I find it ironic in a forum named after r9 players insulting g16 players, that very event occurs b:laugh

    you forgot to compare with morai weapons b:shutup
    i am waiting for you my little flagcarriers b:kiss
  • Geckofreak - Sanctuary
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary Posts: 2,280 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    There are plenty and I mean plenty of things on these forums that shows in what regards g16 nirv and R9 are good/bad/equal for. I don't need to post any of it (not that I would bother to look for that stuff anyways) because I'm a veteran enough of a player to know these sorts of things. It's not my fault that people like Gecko are clueless to such a high level about these sorts of things. That's all there is to it. If yourself or others don't appreciate my approach then oh well.

    Hi Surreal b:dirty
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands wrote: »
    Wouldnt say bashing more like bening right on the fact r9 is way better then n3...not even going to waste mytime to explain..go check pwicalc?...i will agree though n3 is cheap and prutty good gear

    Ok.
    Show me the proof

    Nevermind

    Your a veteran player and I'm not?

    People who didn't cash shop or merchant, and instead worked towards gear are apparently clueless

    Yet again, show me the proof

    Oh, pwicalc is your proof? Cause i think that just got "prooved" on the first page, you should probably go check it out

    Must i really waste time to compare it with full gear and refines, and do a dps test?
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  • Jacerai - Dreamweaver
    Jacerai - Dreamweaver Posts: 943 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    because I'm a veteran enough of a player to know these sorts of things.

    Help me here, then. I know too many "veteran" players that know jack nothing about the game's finer points.

    But I digress. I do not care which is better, especially since I am PVE. A carebare. Whatever you wish to call a non-PK/PVP person (I dislike the drama, most often, though I am from Dramaweaver).

    R9, G16. Your preference. Some people mix and match. Others buy weapons and go for nothing on gear (+10~12 weapon, +0~2 armor).

    I have to admit, I am a shameless Devil's Advocate in most cases.

    And now, since OP has gotten her answer (hopefully not from me), I am going back to what I was doing. b:surrender

    I also believe, in my small knowledge pool, that "prooved" is the wrong spelling.
    b:cute The world may be small, but it is far from known.

    Why the rage? It's a draining emotion.

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  • Flamespirit - Dreamweaver
    Flamespirit - Dreamweaver Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Another thing is that for the most part the majority of succesfull players who have been around for several years...all have rank 9. Doesn't mean we think nirvana three sucks, it is just what we gear our alts with.
  • FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear
    FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ok.
    Show me the proof

    Nevermind

    Your a veteran player and I'm not?

    People who didn't cash shop or merchant, and instead worked towards gear are apparently clueless

    Yet again, show me the proof

    Oh, pwicalc is your proof? Cause i think that just got "prooved" on the first page, you should probably go check it out

    Must i really waste time to compare it with full gear and refines, and do a dps test?

    Pretty colours <3

    LOL your cashshopping argument is so redundant. You're clueless because you are clueless.

    @ Jac: Yes, many veterans on HT are dumb as bricks and are actually some of the worst/most clueless players on the server. Though that's not so many people at this point. Most of us vets are the ones still keeping the server alive. b:chuckle
    Just getting ready for Christmas.

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  • LaYsDiL - Harshlands
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ok.
    Show me the proof

    Nevermind

    Your a veteran player and I'm not?

    People who didn't cash shop or merchant, and instead worked towards gear are apparently clueless

    Yet again, show me the proof

    Oh, pwicalc is your proof? Cause i think that just got "prooved" on the first page, you should probably go check it out

    Must i really waste time to compare it with full gear and refines, and do a dps test?

    Lol hit a nerve?..and gof and extra def levels <n3 and i can seewhy u get reemed out on fourms all the time your attitude and assuming people sucks u assume i cash shop cause of ehat little i said ive been here since 2008-2009 and cant afford in what gear and wep i have now that would be a cost of a new car..get real and quit QQing on a game fourm..talk about a SERIOUS player
  • Geckofreak - Sanctuary
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary Posts: 2,280 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Pretty colours <3

    LOL your cashshopping argument is so redundant. You're clueless because you are clueless.

    Questions avoided, again.

    I'm curious to know your gear. You seem so adamant about facts which you have no proof of. The OP asked a question, and i answered truthfully and gave evidence, yet you, and many others, all keep saying I'm wrong. Please enlighten me instead of continuing to attempt to degrade me with comments about who I am, which you also have absolutely no proof of.
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