wtb r9r2 archers so bad
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Facerolled - Raging Tide wrote: »ye all of those classes have gof
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Mooooooooo - Lost City wrote: »ye. wiz gof so gudd.
GoF doubles your damage right?
Genie spark more than doubles that. That's wizard gof yo[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »the difference b/w a good archer and an amazing archer is much smaller then good wiz and amazing wiz, even if you are an amazing archer there is really little you can do to have a better output then a player of 'average' ability. class is limited.
People think you're trolling...and maybe you are...but you're actually pretty much dead on with most of what you say even if you're exaggerating.
Archers are a good class...but they have always felt the most outdated and broken to me. My biggest irks:
Lack of control
No way to heal yourself aside from serrated arrow and sparking (lol if you use serrated arrow)
Buffs get overwritten by YOUR. OWN. BUFFS. Wtf is that? I strip my evasion buff by using blessing of the condor or windshield...and i strip my run speed with everything.
Chi consumption too great on core defensive skills. Wings of Grace is the only thing that saves me usually...and throwing a spark everytime I get attacked gets costly.
And this last one goes for most classes. Lack of "counters" to attacks. I think it was Boogiepanda(?) who said this game is all about damage now. That is very accurate. How the hell do you counter a r9 sin 2 sparking you?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] united we are to the unit of measuring the greatness!0 -
Nry - Lost City wrote: »And this last one goes for most classes. Lack of "counters" to attacks. I think it was Boogiepanda(?) who said this game is all about damage now. That is very accurate. How the hell do you counter a r9 sin 2 sparking you?
tyty archers need gof bow men b:laugh
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Facerolled - Raging Tide wrote: »tyty archers need gof bow men b:laugh
*edit LOL people are getting boogiepanda's wizard Facerolled and Ruvil's wizard FaceRoII confused
I dunno why I think it was Boogiepanda...maybe it was Asterelle?
I skimmed the thread and forgot the name and too lazy to look again b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] united we are to the unit of measuring the greatness!0 -
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Nry - Lost City wrote: »People think you're trolling...and maybe you are...but you're actually pretty much dead on with most of what you say even if you're exaggerating.
Archers are a good class...but they have always felt the most outdated and broken to me. My biggest irks:
Lack of control
No way to heal yourself aside from serrated arrow and sparking (lol if you use serrated arrow)
Buffs get overwritten by YOUR. OWN. BUFFS. Wtf is that? I strip my evasion buff by using blessing of the condor or windshield...and i strip my run speed with everything.
Chi consumption too great on core defensive skills. Wings of Grace is the only thing that saves me usually...and throwing a spark everytime I get attacked gets costly.
And this last one goes for most classes. Lack of "counters" to attacks. I think it was Boogiepanda(?) who said this game is all about damage now. That is very accurate. How the hell do you counter a r9 sin 2 sparking you?
Stay safe, spam hp food constantly, use chi wisely. You have counters to attacks, known as your own attacks, and if that doesnt work, just run away and kill later. Honestly, its not that hard to play smart instead of hoping to be able to tank everything and everyone. I went 12-5 in an nw last night fighting off at least 12 enemy r9s including 3 r999s with only 2 r9s on my side. Ended up losing the fight, do to being completely overpowerd, but it took them killing us out of the battle to win it, and i killed more of them, then they did of me, in constant gank situations.
As for the sin, you cant know when they are there all the time, so conserve genie. Dont waste it on holy paths or cloud eruption, or offensive skills. Save its charge for the big defensive skills, expel, ad, or faith. Faith seems to work best because it removes stuns and seals, and allows you to immediately leap and fight back. moment the sin reveals itself it will get targeted by others too.
Archers certainly are not underpowered, they just have a decent learning curve to get it to perfection. Barbs, sins, mystics and wizards with r9 gear are just stupidly easy to play[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mystics are easy to play if your r9rr. Just heal and spam off some quick attacks and most people die and if it doesn't work purify proc will let you run away.0
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Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »Stay safe, spam hp food constantly, use chi wisely. You have counters to attacks, known as your own attacks, and if that doesnt work, just run away and kill later. Honestly, its not that hard to play smart instead of hoping to be able to tank everything and everyone. I went 12-5 in an nw last night fighting off at least 12 enemy r9s including 3 r999s with only 2 r9s on my side. Ended up losing the fight, do to being completely overpowerd, but it took them killing us out of the battle to win it, and i killed more of them, then they did of me, in constant gank situations.
As for the sin, you cant know when they are there all the time, so conserve genie. Dont waste it on holy paths or cloud eruption, or offensive skills. Save its charge for the big defensive skills, expel, ad, or faith. Faith seems to work best because it removes stuns and seals, and allows you to immediately leap and fight back. moment the sin reveals itself it will get targeted by others too.
Archers certainly are not underpowered, they just have a decent learning curve to get it to perfection. Barbs, sins, mystics and wizards with r9 gear are just stupidly easy to play
I didn't say that there are no ways to counter attacks...I said there was a lack of counters. Of course running is usually a possibility...but I don't consider that a "counter"...more like an acceptance of defeat
Its like you said though other classes are much more button mashable than archers...which then makes archers underpowered in comparison.
As for genie skills to survive...I find myself relying on genie skills more than on my class's skills. That seems wrong.
Edit: My biggest annoyance is still stripping my own buffs with my own buffs. I could ignore everything else if that were fixed...I hate not wanting to use my skills because I know I will then need to rebuff.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] united we are to the unit of measuring the greatness!0 -
Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »Havent tried mystic yet, mystics are already op with speed of heals unfortunately.Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »mystics are already op with speed of heals unfortunately.Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »mystics are already opGeckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »mystics ... op
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Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »Barbs, sins, mystics and wizards with r9 gear are just stupidly easy to playGeckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »Barbs ... easy to play
YesGeckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »sins ... easy to play
Somewhat easy, no stupidly easyGeckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »mystics ... easy to play
YesGeckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »wizards ... easy to play
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Even someone like me realized that this is a troll thread...enough said.The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry0
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Mooooooooo - Lost City wrote: »yes it is
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Made it past 5 pages. +20 troll points for successfully killing lots of peoples time on this.
EDIT: Just found this thread: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1536901
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Well goin bak to archers.....ppl say our purge is OP and i agree it is...when it procs. I've done 10 1v1's against a sin without havin my purge proc at all, lol and when it did dam tidal absorbed it.
GoF on bows makes sense when comparing against the other classes. Seekers APS on auto attack is still faster than what an archer can hit. Only problem would be our crit rate.
As most ppl are sayin, PWI is becomin dmg based. New problem im seeing is that archers atleast, hav to b full JOSD for us to tank a barrage of attacks from ppl with 130 attack lvls or higher. But with DoD prices goin close to 40mill and higher, I dont see many ppl being able to get Jades anymore xD
So give archer better defenses too plox
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Hmm, been reading ALL your posts and all i can think of is, do you not know the archers roll?...im starting to believe that uve always had op gear over the others and that required lesser skills, more of auto shooting, i believe they have balanced archers...quit sounding like a damn sin you can easily hit people with just auto attack and im saying. Nirvana and up people for 5k+ just auto attacking...lets throw in some magic attacks with that now..start your combos go pratice on somone..im a r9 +7mix and +10 mix and i fight other r9 archers prutty equal to me and ending in a good fight...seriously get a gripFacerolled - Raging Tide wrote: »all other classes can one shot b:cryb:cry i want to score higher on the damage rankings0 -
LaYsDiL - Harshlands wrote: »Hmm, been reading ALL your posts and all i can think of is, do you not know the archers roll?...im starting to believe that uve always had op gear over the others and that required lesser skills, more of auto shooting, i believe they have balanced archers...quit sounding like a damn sin you can easily hit people with just auto attack and im saying. Nirvana and up people for 5k+ just auto attacking...lets throw in some magic attacks with that now..start your combos go pratice on somone..im a r9 +7mix and +10 mix and i fight other r9 archers prutty equal to me and ending in a good fight...seriously get a grip
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FkinMaltaMan - Sanctuary wrote: »Laughed pretty damn hard
Take on full r9 +12 josd mystic, see if you can kill without an arma zerk malta.
I agree out of the classes i listed as being easy, wizards are the hardest, but once refined to +12 r9 weapon, a crit with any skill will kill. The best classes to counter them are archers and seekers, seeing as barbs bms and sins will trigger them to jump back[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »Take on full r9 +12 josd mystic, see if you can kill without an arma zerk malta.
I agree out of the classes i listed as being easy, wizards are the hardest, but once refined to +12 r9 weapon, a crit with any skill will kill. The best classes to counter them are archers and seekers, seeing as barbs bms and sins will trigger them to jump back
Take on any full r9 +12 josd char, see if you can kill them without an arma zerk.
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FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear wrote: »Take on any full r9 +12 josd char, see if you can kill them without an arma zerk.
Derp.
xD caught me thereb:laugh
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Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »Take on full r9 +12 josd mystic, see if you can kill without an arma zerk malta.
I agree out of the classes i listed as being easy, wizards are the hardest, but once refined to +12 r9 weapon, a crit with any skill will kill. The best classes to counter them are archers and seekers, seeing as barbs bms and sins will trigger them to jump back
Archers get pwned by wiz in 1v1 at endgame gear. Sin and bm are way better counter to wizyoutube channel: youtube.com/user/chezedude0 -
Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »Honestly, r999 archer isn't weak. The attack levels are insane, and can, with new tome, get over 70% crit base, which with galavanic aura, will allow for max 95% crit rate, and then can drop a barrage from extra distance, doing huge attack level damage + barrage damage + almost all crits, for 9 attacks.
+1, and archers are a in between of melee and magic defense, so they got a better chance to survive either type more then another class who gets squished instantly melee vs magic.0 -
Facerolled - Raging Tide wrote: »*edit LOL people are getting boogiepanda's wizard Facerolled and Ruvil's wizard FaceRoII confused
damnit go get 105 you noob.
on point, gof on a bow would be overkill, but i do think archer ranged penalty should be removed, which wouldn't be 'enough' but atleast something (ofc nothing will actually happen except more pack sales xD). the real 'problem' w/ puri (vs an archer) is not the puri but the speed. at least archers got leaps now, but the added mobility to AA classes is x.x
how many hits, equal gear vs wiz will archer need to kill? (is more then to get to center of tootsie pop) is also more then u can get in duration of stunning arrow. (ofc if you are stunning arrow --> qs ur doing it wrong)
all the ppl going OMG SPIRIT BLACKHOLE SO OP!! are missing point. Veno purge is completley different then archer purge in that there needs to be INTENTION, PLAYER needs to DO SOMETHING. random weapon effect has nothing to do w/ player ability/skill/intention. only hope is not on player ability but on random weapon effect ... ofc player can still have input/make good decisions to live longer and maximize/capitalize on random weapon effect but in end limited class :P
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Asterelle was the one who said game is now about dmg not control, is something talked about wen running ws and I r999ed wiz instead of archer.
It only takes 1 "lick" to get to center of tootsie pop cause I always chomp that **** like a boss.
seeker is the real faceroll class (not that you can't be a good player on seeker just that you don't need to be for decent+ results)full r999 91% chan wizzy b:kiss
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Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »Take on full r9 +12 josd mystic, see if you can kill without an arma zerk malta.
I agree out of the classes i listed as being easy, wizards are the hardest, but once refined to +12 r9 weapon, a crit with any skill will kill. The best classes to counter them are archers and seekers, seeing as barbs bms and sins will trigger them to jump back
I bet you don't even know/remember the mystic Cacie on our server, r9 +11 JoSD. Close enough?
You obviously don't know how OP(?) arma is.
Refering to wizard. I wonder why gears would matter really. The point is how you handle your class and not how easily it becomes when you're end game geared. ''Crit with any skill will kill'' doesn't explain how ''easy'' a wizard is to play.0
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