Morai dags lvl 101 - From Corona - Question

XLeeu - Heavens Tear
XLeeu - Heavens Tear Posts: 261 Arc User
edited December 2012 in Assassin
Hey guys

I got my Corona dags ( the ones with 60 slaying lvl's )

For PvE these things hit like FREAKING TRUCKS - I refined them to +6.

Was just wondering would a reroll revert my refines back to 0 or would it work like Nirvi S2 reroll and refines are kept?

This is not only for the dags, but also the bow and the dual axes from Luminance

Any input here would be greatly appreciated. b:victory



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  • Joe - Momaganon
    Joe - Momaganon Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    As far as I know u keep all refines and Shards even if u recast, just like nirv stage 2^^ if you use the reroll stats only option ofc (the one that costs 60 badges).
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  • XLeeu - Heavens Tear
    XLeeu - Heavens Tear Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    TY JOE !!!

    Yes the one that costs 60 badges is the one i refferred to -

    * running to reroll stats



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  • Joe - Momaganon
    Joe - Momaganon Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    XLeeu - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    TY JOE !!!

    Yes the one that costs 60 badges is the one i refferred to -

    * running to reroll stats



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    NP if u manage to get 3 times max phys attack on them they pratically beat anything cept r9 rerecast dags, PvE wise.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Joe - Momaganon wrote: »
    NP if u manage to get 3 times max phys attack on them they pratically beat anything cept r9 rerecast dags, PvE wise.
    Not to be nit-picky, but it depends on refine level. R9 refines like ****, Nirvana refines well, and Morai refine... poorly but they get the 60 slaying level boost for each refine (50% damage, so +400 is more like +600).

    So assuming on +10 and average stats (-.05 x 1 for Nirvana dags) it general would line up like r9, G15, Morai, r9r2, G16, r9t3.

    I have a friend who has two sets of G16 daggers, one with double -int, but decided to +11 his Morai daggers. That made me cringe, because as nice as they are I wouldn't +11 a weapon that is prety good in PvE and poor in PvP when there are better options out there.
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  • Geckofreak - Sanctuary
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary Posts: 2,280 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Not to be nit-picky, but it depends on refine level. R9 refines like ****, Nirvana refines well, and Morai refine... poorly but they get the 60 slaying level boost for each refine (50% damage, so +400 is more like +600).

    So assuming on +10 and average stats (-.05 x 1 for Nirvana dags) it general would line up like r9, G15, Morai, r9r2, G16, r9t3.

    I have a friend who has two sets of G16 daggers, one with double -int, but decided to +11 his Morai daggers. That made me cringe, because as nice as they are I wouldn't +11 a weapon that is prety good in PvE and poor in PvP when there are better options out there.

    Morai g15 actually refines = to R9

    Heres dagger rundown, i was bored

    Hooks = 423-635, +487 at +12, always int
    Morai g12 = 368-552, +600 at +12, 45 pve attack level
    Hitman = 555 -1117(+ max included), +675 at +12, always int
    G13 Vana =603-904, +787 at +12, always 2x int
    R8 = 710-1434 (2x +185), +712 at +12
    G15 Vana =685-1028, +787 at +12, chance of int, High Chance of zerk, low chance of
    Gof/20 attack level
    r8r = 754-1115, +787 at +12, high chance of 10-25 attack level or Gof, low chance of int
    Morai g15=435-683, but +712 at +12 60 attack levels pve
    r9 = 798-1197 +712 at +12 30 attack levels, GoF = 2x damage like 10% of hits?
    g16 = 754-1131, +825 at +12, 40 attack levels, chance of int
    r99 = 814-1221, +712 at +12, 40 attack levels, Gof
    r999=895-1343, + 787 at +12, 50-65 attack levels, gof
    Warsoul = 759-1374(+max included), +712 at +12, +50 attack level
    New Warsoul = 759-1398(+max included), +787 at +12, +55-65 attack level
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Morai g15 actually refines = to R9

    Heres dagger rundown, i was bored

    Hooks = 423-635, +487 at +12, always int
    Morai g12 = 368-552, +600 at +12, 45 pve attack level
    Hitman = 555 -1117(+ max included), +675 at +12, always int
    G13 Vana =603-904, +787 at +12, always 2x int
    R8 = 710-1434 (2x +185), +712 at +12
    G15 Vana =685-1028, +787 at +12, chance of int, High Chance of zerk, low chance of
    Gof/20 attack level
    r8r = 754-1115, +787 at +12, high chance of 10-25 attack level or Gof, low chance of int
    Morai g13=435-683, but +712 at +12 60 attack levels pve
    r9 = 798-1197 +712 at +12 30 attack levels, GoF = 2x damage like 10% of hits?
    g16 = 754-1131, +825 at +12, 40 attack levels, chance of int
    r99 = 814-1221, +712 at +12, 40 attack levels, Gof
    r999=895-1343, + 787 at +12, 50-65 attack levels, gof
    Warsoul = 759-1374(+max included), +712 at +12, +50 attack level
    New Warsoul = 759-1398(+max included), +787 at +12, +55-65 attack level

    You say all that but don't include the G15 Morai's.
    Morai G15 = 435-683, +712 at +12, 60 slaying level and 3x add-ons (60 slaying levels = 50% damage)

    So its the same low refine rate as r9, but the 712 would get about a 50% damage bonus from 60 slaying levels, making it more like +1018. My point still stands.
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  • Geckofreak - Sanctuary
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary Posts: 2,280 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You say all that but don't include the G15 Morai's.
    Morai G15 = 435-683, +712 at +12, 60 slaying level and 3x add-ons (60 slaying levels = 50% damage)

    So its the same low refine rate as r9, but the 712 would get about a 50% damage bonus from 60 slaying levels, making it more like +1018. My point still stands.

    i did, just typed as g13 not g15, my bad, lemme go fix that

    I agree though, morai is too weak damage wise to compare to g16 or r9 even with the slaying level, just made a list so OP could compare himself
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  • XLeeu - Heavens Tear
    XLeeu - Heavens Tear Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    tx for everything guys and gals

    Here is what i got thus far

    S2 G15 Nirvi dags, -0.05 int, Crit +3 and Mag 18 ( Rerolling soon LOL ) +5 refine


    R8 Dags - ( standard ads ) +5 refine -

    G15 Morai dags ( rerolled last night TWICE ) got these : Slaying lvl 60, Dex 19, reduce phys damage 2%, attack lvl 2, MP 310 - Refined to +6


    Now I know that damage depends on your build etc :

    On MY build damage is as follow (averages of 30 hits EXCLUDING crits ) I tested on lvl 100 hell mobs ( those ones with the tree trunks in their hands )


    S2 Nirvi - 5400 - 5700 ( but hits fast )
    R8 - 6100 - 6900
    G15 Morai - 7400 - 8200 ( wow )

    Yes for PvP the R8 dags at this point will be better
    Yes for FF and QUICK spark kills on bosses the S2 nirvi will be better

    BUT for pure PVE and AOE grinding on my sin - G15 Morai is AWESOME

    - Thanx to all that assisted - Just thought i would add my findings.



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  • skaitavia
    skaitavia Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Since this thread is focused more on the Assassin's daggers rather than Morai T2 weapons in general, it's moved to the sin subforums!
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Just a back of the envelope point:
    Morai G15 at +12 has at least 1,271 average damage
    Nirvana G15 at +12 has at least 1,643 average damage

    Scaling the Morai G15 with the 60 slaying levels results in it dealing 1,906 average DPH, or 16% more than Nirvana G15.

    However, with just SS, the G15 will climb right up to being equivalent at 1,889 DPH. Furthermore, if you add a -0.05 interval onto the Nirvana, you end up with it scoring +25% DPS, for an end result of being at worst 23% better than the G15 Morai.

    Though, ideally, you would be comparing a Morai G15 with 3x +130 max patk to a G15 Nirvana that has GoF, 1x -0.05 interval and +130 max patk.

    With these, the Morai G15 would have a DPS of 2,199, whereas the G15 Nirvana would come out at 2,135. The odds for the Morai are 1:1,000,000 whereas the odds for the G15 Nirvana are 1:8,000.

    Personally, I don't see any reason to assume that you would have a G15 Nirvana dagger that has neither SS nor -0.05 interval. Either of those mods makes the G15 Nirvana equivalent to the G15 Morai, while having both results in it being superior.
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  • Synergise - Raging Tide
    Synergise - Raging Tide Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Although the OP did not mention cost - I will.

    The Morai daggers cost 16.8 mil plus your time. Re-rolling to get 2 sockets costs 200k (i think) plus your time to get the infuence required. Re-rolling to get nice adds again costs 100 or 200k plus your time.

    All the other options, except for R8, cost much more to get and to re-roll. Although the way PWI is going, who knows.

    My +10 Morai G15s with 2 garnet gems serve me very well for PVE. And as I don't PVP (I don't NW), these are my end-game weapons.

    So if you are time rich and cash poor - Morai ftw.

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