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AliceAdams - Lost City
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I've noticed a lot of QQ going on during NW and I'd like to QQ about it for a momentb:chuckle
Please stop QQing about a slow person grabbing the flag in a 20 vs 0 battleground. The important thing is that someone grabbed the flag, and you'll still get your 30 points for doing absolutely nothing but QQing.
Is there really any point to QQing about the gear and weapons of your fellow nation members? Why are you telling people that 90+ just doesn't cut it? If you're 101, you are technically in the 90+ category. Does this mean we should all leave NW for the 89 and below crowd? OMG noobs with HH weapons!!! Shock and horror! Perhaps if all you r9ers would leave something for the rest of us to do, we'd have better gear. (CoA badges for example)
It's a bad idea to QQ about being stuck in a battleground with a bunch of losers. Why, you ask? Because you just called 19 people a bunch of losers, and we can clearly read your name. Good luck staying alive outside of a safe zoneb:bye
The moral of this thread is:
All that time you spend QQing should be spent quietly killing your opponents.
Please stop QQing about a slow person grabbing the flag in a 20 vs 0 battleground. The important thing is that someone grabbed the flag, and you'll still get your 30 points for doing absolutely nothing but QQing.
Is there really any point to QQing about the gear and weapons of your fellow nation members? Why are you telling people that 90+ just doesn't cut it? If you're 101, you are technically in the 90+ category. Does this mean we should all leave NW for the 89 and below crowd? OMG noobs with HH weapons!!! Shock and horror! Perhaps if all you r9ers would leave something for the rest of us to do, we'd have better gear. (CoA badges for example)
It's a bad idea to QQ about being stuck in a battleground with a bunch of losers. Why, you ask? Because you just called 19 people a bunch of losers, and we can clearly read your name. Good luck staying alive outside of a safe zoneb:bye
The moral of this thread is:
All that time you spend QQing should be spent quietly killing your opponents.
I'M 103 YOU STUPID AVATAR!!!
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Winning a battle has a chance of giving us more tokens at the end if we keep the land from what I noticed. If a weak DD grabs it, chance they will be 1 shot dead by a R9 or G16. We don't want that. We want someone who can take hits and score it before the R9's/G16's gather and kill flag carrier down in a group. Sure we can try and defend you but nothing will save you from a archer's long distance of attack from the sky if they come out of nowhere or a psy.0
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Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »Winning a battle has a chance of giving us a better score. If a weak DD grabs it, chance they will be 1 shot dead by a R9 or G16. We don't want that. We want someone who can take hits and score it before the R9's/G16's gather and aoe flag carrier down in a group.
This.
Slow runners only add more time spent in the instance.
Squishy runners are usually slow, and it only takes a sin to demolish them, followed by the sin being killed, but it doesn't matter if the flag is gone, for example.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Too many people are playing for their own personal score and think by picking up the flag they will get more points. The problem being is that these people are the ones getting 1 shot by the other side resulting in longer battles and in turn is one of the biggest problems with people getting landlocked.
If you are not able to get the flag to the other side safely you shouldn't grab the flag - you are not helping your nation to win battles by doing this. You will get more personal contribution being in battles where you actually win the land by having someone that can run the flag doing so.0 -
Yes, but if it's 20 vs 0, it makes no difference. You get points for grabbing and capturing the flag. If a squishy wants to do it when there's no one around, I say let them. It gives them a chance to get a few more points, which could be just what they need for an additional token in the end.
Every instance I've been in where everyone QQ's about a cleric getting the flag has been 20vs0 the ENTIRE time. Rarely have I seen opponents join before the cleric gets the flag dropped off.I'M 103 YOU STUPID AVATAR!!!
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Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »This.
Slow runners only add more time spent in the instance.
Squishy runners are usually slow, and it only takes a sin to demolish them, followed by the sin being killed, but it doesn't matter if the flag is gone, for example.
Heh. So last night me and a veno were at the flag. I went to dig the flag, some BM came down and interrupted me. The veno stood there. I stunned the BM, veno stood there, started digging. BM interrupted. I just went and killed the BM while the veno dug. I told the veno they better live and deliver for that. They were one shot 10 seconds later just barely getting outta the hole. That veno was perma ported out not too long after from 5 deaths.
Second fail flag runner (same instance) was an Archer who walked (no speed skills at all), and stopped to attack people while being escorted by 3 R9s. She was one shot before she got to the water when she stopped to attack again, even tho we told her not to stop and attack.
I think its just gonna be - some NW days you just can't win no matter what you do
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AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »Yes, but if it's 20 vs 0, it makes no difference. You get points for grabbing and capturing the flag. If a squishy wants to do it when there's no one around, I say let them. It gives them a chance to get a few more points, which could be just what they need for an additional token in the end.
Every instance I've been in where everyone QQ's about a cleric getting the flag has been 20vs0 the ENTIRE time. Rarely have I seen opponents join before the cleric gets the flag dropped off.
The problem also with this situation even if you are up against 0 opponents is that a cleric is the slowest flag runner. It would be better for another class to grab it and the battle will be over in a few minutes rather than 5+mins each time for the cleric to deliver it. That is time wasted for the other 19 people in the battle that are not getting points and/or helping to win other battles.0 -
AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »Yes, but if it's 20 vs 0, it makes no difference. You get points for grabbing and capturing the flag. If a squishy wants to do it when there's no one around, I say let them. It gives them a chance to get a few more points, which could be just what they need for an additional token in the end.
It makes all the difference, especially if its a 20v0 battle, the quicker you end the battle, the faster you can move on the to next land, that may have opposition too.
20v0 battles are the worst in my opinion.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »Yes, but if it's 20 vs 0, it makes no difference. You get points for grabbing and capturing the flag. If a squishy wants to do it when there's no one around, I say let them. It gives them a chance to get a few more points, which could be just what they need for an additional token in the end.
Every instance I've been in where everyone QQ's about a cleric getting the flag has been 20vs0 the ENTIRE time. Rarely have I seen opponents join before the cleric gets the flag dropped off.
Yes it does. In the time frame you take to carry the flag, there's a chance a good deal of enemy numbers have entered and then your dead for sure. Think of it this way:
TW:
Barb carries cata or a HA veno in some rare cases with good gear=succesful puller.
Any other class=gets killed.
TW takes longer to win with weak cata pullers dying. Same with NW:
Barb or +10 well geared and high hp player=success
Any others below that^^=fail flag carrier.
So what's the difference between cata pulling and flag carrying? None. People just refuse to work as a team in NW and only want to increase their personal contribution.0 -
I don't go for flags unless it is obvious my becoming flag carrier is the most effective strategy for my side to win, which given my gear/level is actually rare (less than a handful of times since NW got started). I think there's room for all of us in NW, and that we all have our roles to play, but selfish/noobish behaviour such as this is detrimental to not just others but yourself. If you can't do a carry fast and efficiently you shouldn't waste the chances your side gets. It's about teamwork and this means understanding the limelight is not always on you and that more modest contributions, such as blocking or at least slowing pursuers, will allow you greatest success in the long run.0
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I don't know what your servers are like, but on ours there seems to be 2 types of NW players:
The ones that struggle to get into the -vs20 battlegrounds where they can do the most damage and get the most points, and
The ones that struggle to find -vs0 to get a few easy points where and when they can in the hopes of at least getting SOMETHING in the end.
Usually the ones that are always in 20vs0 won't go anywhere with lots of opponents. So saying it's important for them to move on to a territory to fight others is an invalid point.
And if opponents happen to come in and they drop the flag, who really cares? You're still one point ahead, and if you're smart you've got the flag spawn points camped already. Now you're just going from an easy 30 point win, to the potential of far more points and a more rewarding victory.
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Another thing I'd like to bring up-
If you have a buff, and people don't have to be in your squad for you to buff them with it, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD BUFF ALL THE TOONS!!!
I can't tell you how many clerics fly around to avoid getting killed, but do nothing to help other members of their nation. If you can see me standing in front of you, buff me so I can stay alive a bit longer and help us earn more points!
Even if all you hit people with is Vanguard Spirit and Magic shell, that's a massive increase to our survivability and doesn't take much mp.I'M 103 YOU STUPID AVATAR!!!
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AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »The ones that struggle to find -vs0 to get a few easy points where and when they can in the hopes of at least getting SOMETHING in the end.
Usually the ones that are always in 20vs0 won't go anywhere with lots of opponents. So saying it's important for them to move on to a territory to fight others is an invalid point.
Are there really people out there doing NWs that only look for battles with no opponents in them? No wonder people are are complaining about not getting any tokens at the end. Just picking up a flag is going to net you very few points and if you are in a 20v0 battle you are not dealing damage or taking damage which is how you get the majority of points.
So my point is very valid, you want to move on from a 20v0 battle as fast as you can, 1) to get into more battles to get more points, 2) to get into battles where there is at least some opponents so you can get SOMETHING and 3) to allow the rest of your nation to expand past the land you are holding up for 15mins.0 -
@AliceAdams: Seems your server has no real strategy nor desire to be the winning nation. Just raise their personal contribution. As it's been state many many times now..your damage=better score. I'm not surprised they QQ.0
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Here let me help you out. You get contri even if you spam buff yourself. So if you are slow don't pick the flag, just spam buff yourself and get more contri than carring the flag. Play smarter not harder.
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Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide wrote: »Here let me help you out. You get contri even if you spam buff yourself. So if you are slow don't pick the flag, just spam buff yourself and get more contri than carring the flag. Play smarter not harder.
edit That was in refrence to the 20 v 0
I am not 100% certain that buffing is one of the things that you get points for. In the 20v0 situation you will be getting points for winning the land and for the amount of time spent on the battle field albeit very little.0 -
Ok, so slow people carrying the flag somehow benefits your side because its only noobs who want out of battles fast? But people should always buff YOU because that helps their sides win? Seriously...
Those of us with useful buffs will try to apply them WHENEVER WE CAN MANAGE. It's beyond selfish to ask someone that they should devote themselves to buffing YOU on a camped spawn or in the midst of a fight isn't it? And what is it that makes you think people are willing to lenghten the already ridiculous transit times they get because they'll only fight with overwhelming advantage? Isn't this the very scenario in which making a significant contribution is actually harder? Or isn't it enough for you to jump to the (baseless) conclussion that people not doing it your way are doing it wrong that you have to label them cowards on top of noobish...0 -
Wth?
At what point did I call anyone a coward or a noob?
A cleric's main job is healing and buffing, which is why you get contribution points for healing and buffing (to balance things out for people who aren't damage dealers).
But they aren't healing or buffing anyone but themselves. And then they hover around uselessly doing absolutely nothing to contribute.
It's not even just during battles. There's 1-3 clerics in the little safe camp thing almost every time we win a battle. Why not buff people then? What's the point in a cleric buffing another cleric (seen it happen) instead of the archer/sin/psy/wiz/seek with no buffs?
How is it selfish to ask that everyone contribute equally?
Why is it so wrong to let a squishy carry a flag once in a while when it doesn't hurt anyone?
Some of us play this game for FUN and think it's FUN to let everyone try something at least once. Even something as simple as carrying a flag.I'M 103 YOU STUPID AVATAR!!!
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AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »Wth?
At what point did I call anyone a coward or a noob?
A cleric's main job is healing and buffing, which is why you get contribution points for healing and buffing (to balance things out for people who aren't damage dealers).
But they aren't healing or buffing anyone but themselves. And then they hover around uselessly doing absolutely nothing to contribute.
It's not even just during battles. There's 1-3 clerics in the little safe camp thing almost every time we win a battle. Why not buff people then? What's the point in a cleric buffing another cleric (seen it happen) instead of the archer/sin/psy/wiz/seek with no buffs?
How is it selfish to ask that everyone contribute equally?
Why is it so wrong to let a squishy carry a flag once in a while when it doesn't hurt anyone?
Some of us play this game for FUN and think it's FUN to let everyone try something at least once. Even something as simple as carrying a flag.
You just offended clerics worldwide. a LOT of R9/G16 clerics kick my booty in NW and they don't heal or buff anyone but their teamates. There's no rule stating what a certain class should or should not be doing.0 -
AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »If you have a buff, and people don't have to be in your squad for you to buff them with it, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD BUFF ALL THE TOONS!!!
While I do agree with this, you're a 9x sin. You're a one-shot to literally anyone with semi-decent gear; two with deaden nerves up.
As for the topic though...no. gtfo. Slow flag runners are annoying. In the time it takes one of those types of wars to end, we could be getting into another one that needs our help more, but no we can't because some selfish slowpoke wants to deliver it instead.
Squishy ones are okay if, yeah, it's a 20v0 and they're fast about it, but in some 20v20 with several r9s on each side, no. Don't ****ing take the flag if you're squishy as balls.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Why make it look like a server thing thought? It's like saying that pvp servers got the best PVPers because they on a pvp server....which is bs seeing that you have both pve and pvp player on any of the servers.
But as far as the reasons why people go to nation war tbh it depends on the person despite the server, some people look at it as they're chance to finally gear up because of the class, aps and gear discrimination what was going on when nv was the hot spot so they do what they think will get them the most points for tokens.
Some just wanna play for the objective that's why you would see some lower levels trying to get the flag its not because they thing they pro it because they wanna participate for the fun of it.
Some just go in nw are try to be as supportive as possible for the nation itself despite if they only get a few tokens because they have fun doing it.
Some go to try gather tokens so they can help a friend out with getting gear.
Some just go for profit.
Some just go because its new content that allows the to pvp without the usual stress of worrying about this or that faction or dropping stuff and so on
Some don't go at all....
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AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »Wth?
At what point did I call anyone a coward or a noob?
A cleric's main job is healing and buffing, which is why you get contribution points for healing and buffing (to balance things out for people who aren't damage dealers).
But they aren't healing or buffing anyone but themselves. And then they hover around uselessly doing absolutely nothing to contribute.
It's not even just during battles. There's 1-3 clerics in the little safe camp thing almost every time we win a battle. Why not buff people then? What's the point in a cleric buffing another cleric (seen it happen) instead of the archer/sin/psy/wiz/seek with no buffs?
How is it selfish to ask that everyone contribute equally?
Why is it so wrong to let a squishy carry a flag once in a while when it doesn't hurt anyone?
Some of us play this game for FUN and think it's FUN to let everyone try something at least once. Even something as simple as carrying a flag.
I agree that clerics should buff when can, it helps a lot, however pretty sure buffing and healing doesn't yield points. We have clerics that got very little to none trying the buffer role.
As for letting a squishy carry it, most are slow, and if you want your nation to win, you have to be on your peak constantly.
As for playing this game for fun, that's purely subjective. Your definition of fun might be different to mine, or others.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »You just offended clerics worldwide. a LOT of R9/G16 clerics kick my *** in NW and they don't heal or buff anyone but their teamates. There's no rule stating what a certain class should or should not be doing.
If there's no rule about what class should do what, then why does it matter who carries the flag if there are no opponents?b:chuckle
And that's great if r9 clerics are out kickin butt, but I'm talking about the ones that literally do absolutely nothing beyond buffing themselves, hovering in the air, getting 1-shot by a stealthed sin, rinse and repeat. Then QQing because they got nothing in the end.
And I think some of you need to go back and read the op again.
I do not think it's ok for a squishy to grab a flag in a 20vs(any number above 1).
Meanwhile, a lot of you have managed to QQ about the very thing I'm trying to get people to stop QQing about. And you seem to have missed the other 2/3 of the op.
I can just imagine some poor squishy person grabbing the flag for the first time and thinking, "Hey, I'm helping and useful!"
Then all they hear is, "Wth is wrong with you noob?! Why would you grab the flag?!"
Yeah, way to encourage people to keep playing the game.I'M 103 YOU STUPID AVATAR!!!
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Here is the tale from last NW. I was attacking land 2, i had to cross land 1. Land 1 was ours, it got attacked while i was crossing over. Land 2 had 4 players at the time. Our flag carrier was slow. By the time the battle ended and i got to land 2, they had 20 players.
As a bm with charger orbs, as long as there are 10~18 players, but they are just entering, i can win the flag once for my nation. Barring an organised attempt to kill me. Charger orbs+30 second running speed is all i need to carry the flag without issues.
Due to land 1 taking so long, i was stuck in a fight that gave me next to 0 contribution, and when i joined the 2nd fight the enemy was set in. Had the flag carriers listened to normal chat it would have worked out well.
Near the end we had a fight 3 vs 0. We got the first flag across in a jiffy. When the flag reset, 17 people popped in. Because our side knew what to do, we won that land still. Near the end it is imperative to finish your last few battles, otherwise the score won't count for you.
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AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »If there's no rule about what class should do what, then why does it matter who carries the flag if there are no opponents?b:chuckle
It matters when slow as s people grab the flag in a 20 vs 0. Many character types have distinct speed advantages. Other players are willing to use apoth to speed things along. Making a 20 vs 0 fight last longer than a few minutes is a waste for everyone involved.
Don't be a selfish jerk and grab the flag if you have no way to make it speedy. You're just **** over everyone else there, and in turn yourself.0 -
Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »It matters when slow as s people grab the flag in a 20 vs 0. Many character types have distinct speed advantages. Other players are willing to use apoth to speed things along. Making a 20 vs 0 fight last longer than a few minutes is a waste for everyone involved.
This, for the billionth time.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Did all of you forget that you can leave the battleground at any time? If you're really annoyed by who's carrying the flag, go to another battle instead of complaining. As far as I know, you'll still get your piddly 30 points if you leave. And if you don't get your points, they must not have been that important to you in the first place.
Also, TRY to remember that this is a community based game, and the more you QQ at people for trying to have fun, the less of a community we have.
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Leave to where? Usually you get stuck in these 20 v 0 battles as a stepping stone to new territories that you otherwise can't reach.0
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You always have the option of going back to base b:laughI'M 103 YOU STUPID AVATAR!!!
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AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »You always have the option of going back to base b:laugh
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AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »Did all of you forget that you can leave the battleground at any time? If you're really annoyed by who's carrying the flag, go to another battle instead of complaining. As far as I know, you'll still get your piddly 30 points if you leave. And if you don't get your points, they must not have been that important to you in the first place.
Also, TRY to remember that this is a community based game, and the more you QQ at people for trying to have fun, the less of a community we have.
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Leaving the field can land you back in base, which is a huge set back of you walking all over again to another spot. In most cases, most lands will be full, then you are out of luck. It's better to stay in 20v0 battle then being locked out of battle, because then you can progress forward to another land after the 20v0 battle is over. That's why 20v0 battles should end immediately, to forward said progress and ultimately more room for scoring points.
As for you arguing that this is a community-base game, it is, and people like to win, it's human nature.
If players aren't having fun in NW, they can simply.....not do it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »Did all of you forget that you can leave the battleground at any time? If you're really annoyed by who's carrying the flag, go to another battle instead of complaining. As far as I know, you'll still get your piddly 30 points if you leave. And if you don't get your points, they must not have been that important to you in the first place.
Also, TRY to remember that this is a community based game, and the more you QQ at people for trying to have fun, the less of a community we have.
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Stop already.
If people's idea of fun is getting wafflestomped, sitting in base for 30+ minutes, and pretty much NPCing charms for 20-40 tokens [loss of money]...that's not having fun, thats being a trolly (bleep).
You can PK for 20 minutes in a battle, but if your side doesn't get any flags delivered, let alone win - your point reward is going to be **** regardless of your personal kills, damage, damage taken, etc.
And your solution is ****, as there isn't always an open battleground to head into. The majority of us wanna play, not stare at a map.
At least you can type sentences without AOL-speak idiot garble tho, you have that goin for you. Seriously, think about the points you're trying to make. You wouldn't be getting flamed back if they were not problematic.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50
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