Nation Wars - Not Worth Fighting Lost Causes

memworld
memworld Posts: 0 Arc User
edited December 2012 in Nation Wars
We have had a few people in faction complain the last couple of weeks that they had not received any supply tokens, even though they scored plenty of contribution, because they did not win enough territory battles. Apparently you have to take part in 3 winning battles before you qualify for supply tokens.

So, does this mean we should not bother with fights in which we know we will not win? Why waste charm and pots if the contribution we get from losing battles is not going to be applied to our token count? To me it would make more sense to get up and away from the fight, take the loss, go back to home base and find a more favorable battle.
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  • opkossy
    opkossy Posts: 11,177 Community Moderator
    edited December 2012
    This would be very difficult to confirm even if true. It's kind of difficult to not get into 3 winning battles in 2 hours and even then you have to take your class and nation into consideration as well.

    I'd take that theory with a grain of salt for now until someone tests it out and can confirm for certain.
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  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Winning 3 battles should be easy. Even if you are low level there should still be a good chance that you will find yourself with very powerful nation mates that would practically win the battle for everyone.
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  • ovenusarmanio
    ovenusarmanio Posts: 6,695 Community Moderator
    edited December 2012
    I would like to know where you got that three battle information from anyway?

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  • Boots_Elf - Sanctuary
    Boots_Elf - Sanctuary Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Two weeks ago on my veno I was in 5 battles where Victory splashed across the screen. brambled everything in sight and did some purging and attacking with my Nix. I ended up with only 1800 contr. points and no tokens. The email said i wasnt in any winning realm battles ?? and didnt have enough contribution. My nation came in second. So Im not sure about that 3 battles thing.
  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Boots_Elf - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Two weeks ago on my veno I was in 5 battles where Victory splashed across the screen. brambled everything in sight and did some purging and attacking with my Nix. I ended up with only 1800 contr. points and no tokens. The email said i wasnt in any winning realm battles ?? and didnt have enough contribution. My nation came in second. So Im not sure about that 3 battles thing.

    1800 is not a lot, so far from everyone I heard didn't got token had less than 2k contribution, it seem to be that 2k less don't get reward, the message is probably just the message they put cause they assume people with less than 2k didn't work enough.

    They should post on forum the minimum of contribution people need to get reward and if it matter to get reward the amount of winning battle, but I think it's probably just base on the contribution than after that the place your nation have.
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  • ovenusarmanio
    ovenusarmanio Posts: 6,695 Community Moderator
    edited December 2012
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »
    1800 is not a lot, so far from everyone I heard didn't got token had less than 2k contribution, it seem to be that 2k less don't get reward, the message is probably just the message they put cause they assume people with less than 2k didn't work enough.

    They should post on forum the minimum of contribution people need to get reward and if it matter to get reward the amount of winning battle, but I think it's probably just base on the contribution than after that the place your nation have.

    Even though I had absolutely horrid luck and didn't get 2k contribution on Friday, I still got tokens. SO I think it goes by nation and how many tokens being divided up on your nation.

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  • opkossy
    opkossy Posts: 11,177 Community Moderator
    edited December 2012
    oVenusArmanio wrote: »
    Even though I had absolutely horrid luck and didn't get 2k contribution on Friday, I still got tokens. SO I think it goes by nation and how many tokens being divided up on your nation.

    And class as well, I'd presume.

    Being on a highly popular class in the nation that's dead last and having a low score is a lot more devastating than a rarer class in the first place nation that has a low score.
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  • Flamespirit - Dreamweaver
    Flamespirit - Dreamweaver Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Idk my veno today just got 26 tokens and she is lv 97 and had about 19k contri and was in the third scored nation...so go figure........I really wish they'd publish an official how to get token contri.

    Generally I am against taking your alt to nation wars, however I now think it is a good idea, because if your main happens to be in the nation that gets ganked and locked in you can just switch to playing the alt who hopefully got into a different nation.
  • memworld
    memworld Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    So there is no confusion here, the information was a response from two separate tickets submitted from our faction. Another ticket submitted, said you did not win enough battles for your contribution to count.
  • fuzzywuzz
    fuzzywuzz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    memworld wrote: »
    Apparently you have to take part in 3 winning battles before you qualify for supply tokens....

    2hrs.. Sorry, is hard to find a few wins in that time frame? Fuzzy isnt trying to be an ***.. just... 3 wins.. not hard to find.... b:surrender
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  • memworld
    memworld Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    FuzzyWuzz wrote: »
    2hrs.. Sorry, is hard to find a few wins in that time frame? Fuzzy isnt trying to be an ***.. just... 3 wins.. not hard to find.... b:surrender

    And yet it has happened. Part of those who did not receive tokens in our faction made the mistake of going to territories where they were outnumbered.

    If people aren't going to get credit during their loses, then doesn't it make more sense to go back to base and find another easier battle? And for that matter, why waste your resources against an overpowered group, when you can leave and search for greener pastures. If PWI is not going to take care of those who are gamely looking to put up a good fight in 5 vs 20's or R9 against the rags of the server, then why play those battles?
  • WangZi - Dreamweaver
    WangZi - Dreamweaver Posts: 279 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Flamespirit - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Idk my veno today just got 26 tokens and she is lv 97 and had about 19k contri and was in the third scored nation...so go figure........I really wish they'd publish an official how to get token contri.

    Wait wait wait, level 97 and you got 19000 personal credit? b:shocked even Fay doesn't get that high

    And I've been in losing battles, and you still get personal credit from them (about 400) and it's much better than being in a walk-in-the-park battle where there's no enemy since those easy ones give less than 100 personal credit. So I'm not sure how the token distribution works.
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  • The__Sun - Dreamweaver
    The__Sun - Dreamweaver Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    WangZi - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Wait wait wait, level 97 and you got 19000 personal credit? b:shocked even Fay doesn't get that high

    And I've been in losing battles, and you still get personal credit from them (about 400) and it's much better than being in a walk-in-the-park battle where there's no enemy since those easy ones give less than 100 personal credit. So I'm not sure how the token distribution works.

    I'm sure they meant 1.9k
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  • Perfox - Sanctuary
    Perfox - Sanctuary Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    And it seems people dont get the point, today a lot of seekers, clerics and mystics grab the flags so the rest of us lost a lot of time we can go to other battles, they got killed easely why be so selfish and play for them and not for the group? i guess thats why a lot of people dont get any tokens...
  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Perfox - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And it seems people dont get the point, today a lot of seekers, clerics and mystics grab the flags so the rest of us lost a lot of time we can go to other battles, they got killed easely why be so selfish and play for them and not for the group? i guess thats why a lot of people dont get any tokens...

    BM, Barb, archer (need to have charger orbs) and the wins are easy. There was one fight, cloud sprint, no attack 15 seconds. Will of bod, next 15 seconds, near the middle i got super slow no idea why, started taking hits, i clicked charger orb, ran all the way home with no enemy able to follow. If i didn't have a charger orb, i would have died in that encounter. There were lots of times when people used chargers orbs and i couldn't do a thing to stop them, because they jumped over me b:laugh.

    To the OP, min contribution is open book case, like all things in pwi, 2k is a safe number to assume. 3 battles to win is not in the clauses, but either in the start or at end there will be very quick fights, bound to get easy victories. One can only hope that people level up, gear up, and get more score next time. Do things differently as well.
  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    my guess would be that within each nation the personal points people collect are used to rank players and calculate token allotment. i'd also guess that this is not done by class, but rather purely on point basis. it may not be as simple as "2k or less gets 0 points" but more like a larger points gap between say.. 75% of the players in a nation and the bottom 25%, which really sucks for the weaker players who are trying their best.
  • MiniST - Sanctuary
    MiniST - Sanctuary Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Got 2589 contribution on barb, 0 Tokens.
  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Got 2589 contribution on barb, 0 Tokens.

    and i saw you tonight on Mini so that means you were multiclienting.
  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    oVenusArmanio wrote: »
    Even though I had absolutely horrid luck and didn't get 2k contribution on Friday, I still got tokens. SO I think it goes by nation and how many tokens being divided up on your nation.

    Ok it's just that so far when someone was saying 0 tokens they had less than 2k contribution, It's why they should post that kind of infos so we know that.

    Seems it's more about the nation than the contribution.
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  • Cyrusdesu - Sanctuary
    Cyrusdesu - Sanctuary Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Yer.. it really weird how the tokens is sorted out. b:question

    Simply because one NW I got 1.2k contribution and got nothing and next NW I got 891 contribution and got 14 tokens.

    As most are aware that personal contribution is made up several factors and would seem like few of the factors might have higher standing then others which would mean calculated from the more favored factors then sort with next factor. Sort of like how share holders work in real life the prominent shares earn more money then normal shares. b:surrender
  • Boartracker - Raging Tide
    Boartracker - Raging Tide Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I have a faction cleric who was in my squad tonight on RT and we were in the #1 Nation. She had over 2k conrti points as was in several winning battles. For the 2nd week in a row she got 0 tokens. She is very upset with this and I don't really blame her. It would be nice to see what the scoring is all about before we start loosing players.

    She has submitted a 2nd ticket asking why. I hope it's not the "standard" answer again or we loose a cleric in NWs.

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  • sinpwi1
    sinpwi1 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Boartracker - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I have a faction cleric who was in my squad tonight on RT and we were in the #1 Nation. She had over 2k conrti points as was in several winning battles. For the 2nd week in a row she got 0 tokens. She is very upset with this and I don't really blame her. It would be nice to see what the scoring is all about before we start loosing players.

    She has submitted a 2nd ticket asking why. I hope it's not the "standard" answer again or we loose a cleric in NWs.

    b:bye

    All of clerics switched to alts. Luckily they all have high level alternatives. It will be interesting to see what the answer is. Let us know what they say please.
  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Boartracker - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I have a faction cleric who was in my squad tonight on RT and we were in the #1 Nation. She had over 2k conrti points as was in several winning battles. For the 2nd week in a row she got 0 tokens. She is very upset with this and I don't really blame her. It would be nice to see what the scoring is all about before we start loosing players.

    She has submitted a 2nd ticket asking why. I hope it's not the "standard" answer again or we loose a cleric in NWs.

    b:bye

    2k contri is like two battles...wow.

    Ive been sharing my spoils with the cleric that comes with us cause she buffs and heals me.

    I'll let someone else rant about HT's Dark nation tonight - but literally 9999 share of the whole pot. At one point we were down to 2 lands with almost the whole nation in the base. I can't blame those battles on AFK alts for once - it was people just PKing and ignoring flags/pits. I think I hit over 50 kills in one map just fighting for flags cause others weren't helping.

    I'm starting to think if the battle is lame - just pop over to another one provided there is lands to do so. If its a lost cause try to find a better one.
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  • Sel_Darkmore - Dreamweaver
    Sel_Darkmore - Dreamweaver Posts: 350 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I Seriously got no absolute detail on how to get tokens other then reading ppls post.

    However from my experience ...is as follows..
    1st NW which was the second one for DW ..i had person cred of 1.6k and got 128 tokens. "What did i do?" Jump in as many battles as i could which was over 5, As a BM i stuned, HF'd groups or flag carrier that was tryna score or help protect my team flag carriers.

    Every other NW i had attended after i have gotten personal cred from 2-6k ..i dont sit around Pking unless need to, such as getting thru to go after the flag carriers for take down or protect..or fend off someone, most times i ignore fights to go after that flag. tokens i have gotten there after is an amount of 50-100. All in all i average in partaking in 6-10 battles ofc including some where i lose all my 5 lives and seen at least 3 defeats in a NW. Been in Nations that came in 1st 2nd 3rd and last place. However the time that i was in a nation that came in last place i got 30 + tokens only.

    Only one time did i not get any tokens due to logging in late and entered only 1 battle which was a defeat. I have a r9 sin friend who just kills and he averages about 70-100 tokens per NW. Another g16 Sin friend gets higher personal cred then I but less tokens.
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  • Antigone - Momaganon
    Antigone - Momaganon Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Hm...I tried to duallog last NW just to check sth and here are the results:

    Cleric (maily played) with 7500 points (what's normal for me, I always have 7-8k) in 3. nation got 110 Token (on Momaganon where are way less ppl than on other server but anyway..)

    With my sin I only played when Cleric stuck. So i killed a few ppl, mostly stealthed in battles 20 vs 0 where our nation won. For nearly doing nothing I got 2800 (or a bit more, not sure) points, was in winning nation and got nothing.

    my boyfriend got like 5k points and gained ~80 token. he was also in 3. nation
  • Riverwalker - Sanctuary
    Riverwalker - Sanctuary Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Crazy high personal contributions listed in this post.

    Squad of 10 from faction going in NW in the Flame nation and we saw personal credits from 400's to 4k, everyone received tokens last night, between 9 and 32 each. So the 2k personal credit to receive tokens isn't right. Everyone was in multiple winning battles, so can't say whether or not the 3 wins could be a factor.

    However, we had a barb that had 3500(ish) personal credits the week before, which was 3rd highest in our group. He was the only player that did not receive tokens in our squad. He maintains he was in victorious battles, but still received 0 tokens. He also stated that he did not receive tokens in the previous battle either, filed a ticket and was told he has to be in a winning battle to receive tokens. b:surrender Needless to say, he's not been playing lately. : /

    Why the player base has the burden of working backwards to try and figure out how to play the game is completely beyond me, but it's how PWI has always been. I haven't been able to find any rhyme or reason to the personal credits and tokens myself.
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  • Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver Posts: 756 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I can confirm this as false. I was in NW yesterday in maybe 1 or 2 wining battles and the others lost and I still got rewards.
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Perfox - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And it seems people dont get the point, today a lot of seekers, clerics and mystics grab the flags so the rest of us lost a lot of time we can go to other battles, they got killed easely why be so selfish and play for them and not for the group? i guess thats why a lot of people dont get any tokens...
    clerics mystics and sins are pretty squishy but a seeker shouldnt be unless they got shoddy armour >.>
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Well geared seekers can easily run the flag if they have charger orbs, their defense lvls can usually cover them, unless purged, but no class is safe from purge.

    Also.....AA users with s3 r9 weapons that have purify spell can run it too.....I've seen it done. b:shocked
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Ever seen a group of r9s guarding an attack voodoo psy walking the flag? How able a group of r9s looking like nincompoops after their protectee gets killed by the first arrow to leave an archer's bow? I have... and its pretty funny. Then it gets less funny when I can only manage to kill another one or two before the whole group is on me. After that it gets more funny when I stealth away.

    They really should ban anyone with less then 10k hp from carrying the flag... even 20k might be cutting it close without support.
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