Is TW outdated?

I like both. Nation Wars has the huge baselock problem, which needs to be fixed, but if you avoid that, offers more action, and accesibility for the solo player, along with automatic buffs.
TW needs a revamp. and those new towers to be less..... OP
a new map, or maybe several new maps for tw, mattering on the land you are attacking, would be great to have

I also enjoy both TW and NWs. TW is different in that it's faction vs faction. NWs is a different type of event and allows squads or solo play. TW doesn't really have great rewards while NWs does. I think the new towers & boosts in TW are fine and the increase in pay and mirage stones works. Especially the mirage stones for faction members who need to refine the new gears they are making from NWs. NWs will help even out the gear differences in TW so it will help TW over time.

Yes, I'd call them two different items, like lemon meringue pie and chocolate cake. Both are good even though they are different. Keep them both, just work on cleaning them up.

b:bye

Imo, NW is like TW but everyone can take part and you get a hellish profit too.

Can't really compare further, I can't make it to NW. b:surrender

For now since NW is new I/we prefer it, but on HL we still have some epic TW (we did a TW of 3 hours yesterday), I think some people don't enjoy TW for more reason:

-It's old and some people already done that hundred if not thousand of times.

-NW is more close than TW to look like PvP, but without the bad sides as cannot drop gears or get red name.

-Ofc NW give more money to each players than TW, some people did TW since 2-3 years without get nothing from that, while in NW they get rewarded every time.

-In NW it seems that some class can more be free to play as they want, cleric DD, barb as well, while in TW they are stock to heals for cleric and be a cata for barb.

-I think some people don't enjoy TW anymore cause the lack of challenge, but in majority of the case it's their own fault, they bid on factions that are dead, or they know that the faction will not show, beside bid on a faction to get a real war, people don't do TW anymore to get a fun war, but to get land, so they bid on the easiest faction to beat, beside a biggest faction that would be a real challenge.

But try to change people mentality and tell them to bid where they have a chance to have a TW beside bid where they can get a free land.

If they want to revive TW, they should change it completely, add hp on a tower and crystal is not a challenge, that make TW more long, but that's it, they should change the map, the place, make new maps in new place, like in water, in the air, in mountain, forest or w/e.

NW replaces TW 100% for me. I tried TW before I switched servers and it was alright, it was a way to PvP with out having to go into PK mode. But I never liked being involved with all the faction drama and any faction that does TW on a regular basis, there is going to be drama. Now with NW I can stay factionless (and drama free) and still enjoy PvP and setting myself against many different players. With it only being a couple hours twice a week it's a perfect amount to get that PvP urge out of my system and then I can go back to questing, grinding or whatever else. Plus I do have to admit the reward is very nice. With the reward I receive from NW I can buy all my gear and still have plenty left over for fun stuff.

Well, the point of TW is to allow factions to 80 v 80 each other.

As it is, this means there are 3 types of TW factions.
~The top 1-3 that can actually compete with each other who eventually take over the whole map, anyone who challenges them will be promptly squished in an expensive 5 minute battle so that they can focus on each other.
~Then you have about 4 factions who stay out of their way, but normally get 30-60 sign ups. They don't challenge the big guys but if they did they might last 10 minutes and get about 10 kills amongst their entire faction before being locked in their base to watch their crystal destroyed.
~14-20 aspiring little TW factions who want to experience it but are a mix of level 1-105, fielding 10-30 fighters. Most of these players have no pk experience but would like to do squaded pk events in a risk free zone.

TW works great for the top 1-3 factions, except it gets boring fighting the same person every week. If alliances are formed you may win your attack, then lose one of your double defense for zero ground gained. If you lose your attack and double defense eventually you have no lands left and can only attack and again, zero ground gained.

The middle TW factions spend their time eating the lower TW factions then eventually get land locked between the big TW factions, not daring to attack. Then it becomes weekly defenses against factions that have no land.

The lower TW factions are eaten up as prompty as TWing will allow. Do they have a right to be there if they can't defend their land? No, probably not. But should that end their TW career for another 6 months?...

For most people the upgrade to towers kind of sucked. I am in a big TW faction, where it made no difference to us other than our pockets. I am also in a little faction who tried twing and basically the towers were soloing 90% of my faction, leaving us to do costly weekly stalemates.

Suggestions? Taper tower damage according to levels. I believe its a percent right now,but maybe it should be 1% damage every 4 levels? So a level 40 suffers 10% damage while a level 100 suffers 25% damage?

Charm rewards instead of coin? I dodge TWs periodically as I'm working on gear thinking if I skip TW this week I can save 12m in apos and charms, put that towards a gear shard, and be better for next weeks TW. I could just ask for coin, but TW should be a coin sink, so maybe charms instead? "But PWI wants people to buy charms with rl money, not give us them for free." Well if more people are TWing in hopes of a charm and only half of them actually get a charm then the other half will still need to buy their charms.

Actually, one idea I've played with was what about a "surprise attack" bonus like it was a sneak attack in rl? Attacks get 20% more def/attack. This would encrouage more turnover of lands and the weaker factions might stand a chance when attacking and the strong factions could only use it once a week anyways.

As many have stated, I feel that both are different in their own way. Every PK instance has a different feel to it, and NW has become quite popular. I still like both, mainly because the pace is much different in both. Yes, NW needs strategy, but it's much easier to put strategy together in a TW, as you're with a faction where the players know one another. It's also a lot slower because of the size of each map, so that also plays a role.

I see TW more as a way to challenge those with equal gear, or a way to improve your skill. Oftentimes in NW I run into opponents that are not even level 100, and I feel bad destroying them in a hit. NW just gives everyone a chance to not only gear up with the reward system, but also get some experience learning how to PvP and work as a group in a PvP instance. You could say TW is not worth it, but in my opinion, having fun, regardless of the cost, is more than worth it.

Gotta agree with Fuzzy on this. TW needs something new and exciting.

b:dirty I like both TW and NW they bring people online and I love to play with my friends!

Rewards on TW is outdated but TW itself is still somewhat fun. Cus lets face it, even with the amount of money factions get in...the amount you use in there kinda makes you go minus each time.

It hasn't been outdated as such, it just needs to be upgraded, needs more excitement, it's been almost the exact same since the start of PWI and it does start to become a bit of the same over and over again...it needs to be revamped, I can't list any thoughts right at this minute, but yeah b:thanks

Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I still enjoy TW, but it's fun is declining due to cost of charm prices increase on my server. Once upon a time ago...charms were 2.5m(hp)/1m(mana)...now they are x3 or more of that. I think TW should be added some reward for winning or losing such as reforge mats, or even contribution gained for participating to use on faction base things.

I agree, no kidding I love myself a GOOD TW, but we do need rewards for it apart from 10m to the faction leader for owning 1 lvl 3 territory b:surrender

The whole TW setting gets worse..

first.. the Price to pay to TW.. towers charms apoths.. the reward system and/or the price of building towers needs to change dramatically ..

second.. the Towers.. they made TWing harder for ppl not wearing OP gears

third.. the flying limit.. only 20meters in the air? really? how does that help tw.. when u get shot down by everything that is on the ground.. it was fine when only archers with demon/sage winged blessing could snipe u down.. but now all ranged classes can bring u down.. thats some bs.

fourth.. the fact that its undetermined how many ppl u can get to go to tw.. while NW tends to even out the numbers..

fifth.. the binds can only be brought down by catas now..

sixth.. the unholy lag that comes with a full 80 vs 80..


NW is a fun instance with a lot of the fun u would usually get out of a TW.. without all the negatives that come from TWs..
Plus those rewards more than make up for ur charm cost most of the time..

Buff_me - Harshlands wrote: »

Gotta agree with Fuzzy on this. TW needs something new and exciting.

TW was changed.

I agree, compared to nation wars - the lowest reward I've heard of active players getting is 20 tokens, so about 10m - even if you owned every land, giving 20m to every player is nearly, if not impossible. I love TW, but it's hard to encourage people to go for their group PK fix when NW gives actual rewards. They're both different styles, and both very enjoyable and rewarding play. But winning is nothing more than bragging rights really now, as that "PK Fix" can be found elsewhere with real profit.

Up the rewards on TW, give free charms, something to offset the cost of TW. The Tower change is fine, makes it more than a crystal rush.

I pretty much agree fully with hexypoo b:chuckle