Pure sage archer advice?
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »The same old ****
The easiest way to test the hypothesis that barbs are soloable is to find a barb, whatever gear you want, and 1v1 them. If you fail to kill them 100% of the time they are never soloable. If you kill them 1 out of 1 million times, they are theoretically soloable. They are basically permakitable so I don't see how an archer could lose the majority of those fights.
Shame that archers can ONLY have 60+ crit, 2 great amps/debuffs, EP, Frenzy and an arsenal of metal attacks. If you have never killed a barb alone, then I am sorry for you.
And fyi, never did I claim to one shot barbs. BMs with metal crits maybe. Sins from stealth, sure. Other r8 archers, sure. Squishy casters, sometimes. But not barbs.
Having to explain things to you like you are a child is a bit pitiful at this point Kiyoshi.Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »I know its fun to trying to exaggerate things in vain attempts to impress idiots...
^Straight from the horse's mouth. *glances at Sint's quote in my sig*
I truly hope English is not your native tongue.
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Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »The easiest way to test the hypothesis that barbs are soloable is to find a barb, whatever gear you want, and 1v1 them. If you fail to kill them 100% of the time they are never soloable. If you kill them 1 out of 1 million times, they are theoretically soloable. They are basically permakitable so I don't see how an archer could lose the majority of those fights.
Shame that archers can ONLY have 60+ crit, 2 great amps/debuffs, EP, Frenzy and an arsenal of metal attacks. If you have never killed a barb alone, then I am sorry for you.
And fyi, never did I claim to one shot barbs. BMs with metal crits maybe. Sins from stealth, sure. Other r8 archers, sure. Squishy casters, sometimes. But not barbs.
Having to explain things to you like you are a child is a bit pitiful at this point Kiyoshi.
If I can not kill someone at least 1 out of 5 times... then for all effective purpose... I CAN NOT kill them. For anyone to tell me they can solo something... they better be able to make the kill 1 out of 10 times. And if i say I can solo someone... you can bet that i'll get the kill 1 out of 2 tries. I crited r9s for 20k before... but you don't see me walking around claiming that I can crit 20k... or even 10k on r9s.
And just where did I say that you can one shot barbs. I am having doubts you can one shot anything... nevertheless barbs.Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
^Straight from the horse's mouth. *glances at Sint's quote in my sig*
To sum it down... I been saying that you guys suck. Why would I stop saying that... unless you guys don't suck anymore... but thats obviously not the case. And I'll say it again... you guys suck. And why would I really care if anyone put me in their signature. It just proves that I made a bigger impression on them then they did on me. I can honestly say that I don't even remember who this sint guy is... or what he did/said. But I guess he sure remember what I said.Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »I truly hope English is not your native tongue.
Learn to play and more importantly learn to read b:bye
I am really glad that my english skills has been called in to question.... whats next... my living/financial situtions. Are you going to start calling me poor hobo living in a box somewhere? Will that make you feel better?1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
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I've seen ReckUrWorld and a couple other archers in LC solo r9 barbs, I've seen myself solo barbs according to my gear range. O.o if what you mean by soloing a barb is 1v1ing them...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Rehashed same disparging comment thing again. Oh look he edited it to include something about his financial situation again (implied wealth). lol.
People remember what you say because you say the same thing over and over. For me, you just constantly quote my posts, generally with negative comments.
And if what you say is true, I cannot comprehend why you bother to post. You provide little of value in this forum (aside from the humor aspect). Your posts sometimes seem knowledgeable (much better in general discussion) and other times add nothing to the topic (generally when you quote me).
You could be the smartest and richest man alive. And as irrelevant as that may be to pwi, you use it to justify your condescending posts. Especially the ones to newer players who are still learning the game. Also to the veterans who have a thorough grasp of the game, dynamics, tactics and so on (like myself and many other archers). Much of the game should be easy to understand for people that have played it a long time. There is no need to discredit those with knowledge. Or those that seek it.
I originally cited an example recent to my post, where I had used frost arrow to beneficial gain (NW last week). Having the additional elemental damage is handy at times, especially vs HAs. Do I use it often? No. It probably does not account for even 5% of my total skill use.
Generally it is not a good skill to use frequently, which I also said. In my first post. And my second one. Frost would only be a good skill if it had no chi cost, the slow was a higher % or a longer duration (like 10 seconds or something).Ring Engraving/Amulet Carving Guide - pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1174451
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XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City wrote: »I've seen ReckUrWorld and a couple other archers in LC solo r9 barbs, I've seen myself solo barbs according to my gear range. O.o if what you mean by soloing a barb is 1v1ing them...
What else does solo mean if not 1vn?Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »People remember what you say because you say the same thing over and over. For me, you just constantly quote my posts, generally with negative comments.
And if what you say is true, I cannot comprehend why you bother to post. You provide little of value in this forum (aside from the humor aspect). Your posts sometimes seem knowledgeable (much better in general discussion) and other times add nothing to the topic (generally when you quote me).
I think you understand me enough to get my point... full r9 with high refines or consider yourself useless.Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »You could be the smartest and richest man alive. And as irrelevant as that may be to pwi, you use it to justify your condescending posts. Especially the ones to newer players who are still learning the game. Also to the veterans who have a thorough grasp of the game, dynamics, tactics and so on (like myself and many other archers). Much of the game should be easy to understand for people that have played it a long time. There is no need to discredit those with knowledge. Or those that seek it.
I am posting mainly because there are a bunch of over zealous archers who seems to post **** such as +5 can kill full r9s... r8s can be useful against r9s in tw... sage's extra range can lock down targets for 20 (or whatever) seconds... attacking from the air in tw will get you kills... frost arrow is use to use against tanky (i am pretty sure we have different defination for tank) targets... and what nots. Sure... any of these can happen once in a blue moon. But lets face it... you are just trying to talk up a class that really have little to nothing going on for them outside of getting superior gear. Any veterans (I am pretty sure we also have different defination for veterans) archer will tell you that archers are absolutely nothing without elite gear. Most classes can get by with medicore or even slightly below average gear. But an average archer is the poster child for useless waste of space.
I, myself am +12 for at least 2ish years now. Recently in nation wars, I begun to notice that my +12 r9 with g16 cape/hat's extra dex... doesn't really do much (if anything at all). Never mind barbs... I had the displeasure of chasing flag carrying clerics half way across the map without making the kill. forget stage 2... i might actually need to stage 3 and rerefine to be of any use.Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »I originally cited an example recent to my post, where I had used frost arrow to beneficial gain (NW last week). Having the additional elemental damage is handy at times, especially vs HAs. Do I use it often? No. It probably does not account for 1% of my total skill use.
As a sage archer... you should have no problem cycling metal, quichshot/stun without the use of water. By using water you are already going the less efficient route.Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »Generally it is not a good skill to use frequently, which I also said. In my first post. And my second one. Frost would only be a good skill if it had no chi cost, the slow was a higher % or a longer duration (like 10 seconds or something).
Thats freaking useless... the "ifs". archer would also be op IF we can move in stealth. maybe IF our stormrage does real damage. IF this IF that... what does that have anything to do with the actual game play.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »I am posting mainly because there are a bunch of over zealous archers who seems to post **** such as +5 can kill full r9s... r8s can be useful against r9s in tw... sage's extra range can lock down targets for 20 (or whatever) seconds... attacking from the air in tw will get you kills... frost arrow is use to use against tanky (i am pretty sure we have different defination for tank) targets... and what nots. Sure... any of these can happen once in a blue moon. But lets face it... you are just trying to talk up a class that really have little to nothing going on for them outside of getting superior gear. Any veterans (I am pretty sure we also have different defination for veterans) archer will tell you that archers are absolutely nothing without elite gear. Most classes can get by with medicore or even slightly below average gear. But an average archer is the poster child for useless waste of space.
And thus is your viewpoint which we have already seen covered in numerous threads. It is nice to hear again after a vacation from you (sarcasm), but welcome back regardless.
I am not going to dumb down strategy, spacing and other simple things for you again as I have in the past. I do not think overly about them when I play, I just do them. Instinct. Some people possess natural skill, and some people blindly rush and get killed over and over. I could provide multiple examples for various situations, but I don't care that much and I imagine you don't either. If you lack imagination that is fine. If you don't care much for theorycraft, that is fine too. This is the forums. And lots of it has historically taken place on the archer forums.
I myself gain inspiration from the intelligent archers on this forums. Asterelle, Illyana (of old), kossy, Elena, Quilue, Anfisa, etc. I have disagreements on some views, but I recognize that they know what they are talking about when they do and I try to help as well and provide tales of personal experience when they are relevant. I have agreed with you when your arguments make sense, but I still disagree with those that discourage others. You may think me some delusional pro tt99+5 archer or something, but that is not the case. I just give advice when it is needed and know that it is not always the one with superior gear that wins the battle.
If you really think the archer class is so bad, then why not play another one? I love the advantages we have. Largest range, reliable low cd single target stun, great kitability, antistuns, AoE power, leaps, BV, and now Stormrage and QS.
And as for r8s always being irrelevant, please tell me how I managed to kill r9 psys and wizards in NW the first week (verified via my coreconnect)? I beat a r9 veno quite a few times last week in some nice 1v1s. Sure I don't win them all, but we got the land and that is what mattered.
It is not as if I go about posting with intention of bragging about my exploits such as yourself. It is more of, lol my gear is **** and I can do this so you can too. If people with more gear and less skill cannot accomplish similar feats, that is their own misfortune. I have always had inferior gear in this game, and that is why I rely on strategy to defeat people.
If I had a lvl 1 bow I could help make a difference in certain instances just from archer's skills alone. Stun+Aimlow can buy time for an ally to escape or to assist. Things like saving an ally, disabling a large threat or splitting/stalling an enemy army with kiting will pile up and can often change the tide of battle, but I suppose you don't really think in a group mindset do you?
Most of all, you overestimate r9's superiority. g16 is really not that far off from it (as I have proved in numerous threads of late). To say that a g16 can never kill a r9 would be quite false. And such statements should not even need to be said, but for you, the one who misses the most obvious things, I have (regretfully) made repeated exceptions to no avail.
When I comment that things can be done and provide an example, I know this to be true because I have been at a gear disadvantage before. You should be less surprised that things are possible and be more excited about potential for challenging pvp with everyone else also gearing up.Ring Engraving/Amulet Carving Guide - pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1174451
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Oh and another aside on Frost Arrow.
I probably use it more than most people because I squad PvE 90% of the time with my Wizzy brother. He has Undine Strike which is a nice debuff and doing several months of caster vanas with him to farm my and his g15 gear definitely sort of integrated the TS + LS + TB + Frost thing into me.
Still, I barely if ever use it for pvp purposes, only if all the others are on cd. TB still has a longish channel time and if the enemy is attempting to flee I would rather use frost and holy path to catch them than let them get away.Ring Engraving/Amulet Carving Guide - pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1174451
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Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »Oh and another aside on Frost Arrow.
I probably use it more than most people because I squad PvE 90% of the time with my Wizzy brother. He has Undine Strike which is a nice debuff and doing caster vanas with him to farm my g15 gear definitely sort of integrated the TS + LS + Frost thing into me.
Still, I barely if ever use it for pvp purposes, only if all the others are on cd. TB still has a longish channel time and if the enemy is attempting to flee I would rather use frost and holy path to catch them than let them get away.
Who the f cares about pve... i have frost on my caster macro too. Last time i checked... pve frost doesn't kill barb/bm... and here I thought we are talking about killing barbs/bm.Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »And as for r8s always being irrelevant, please tell me how I managed to kill r9 psys and wizards in NW the first week (verified via my coreconnect)? I beat a r9 veno quite a few times last week in some nice 1v1s. Sure I don't win them all, but we got the land and that is what mattered.
You know... there was a bm on HT. Everyone knows that I can out gun him and its more or less well known that I killed him multiple times. But it seems that he managed to get the kill shot on me once in TW. Which resulted with him taking screen shots of his core and posting it all over the froum. By your logic... he managed to killed a r9 archer... end of story. Sure... he managed to kill me once... guess we're not looking at how many times he died to get that one kill.
So what you managed to kill a couple of r9. How many times did you have to die to get those kills? Then go look at those "intelligent archers" archers of yours... how many time did they die before they got their kills. Archers are not a support class... we were never ment to be. If you want to hang out to assist targets, stun, or whatever... there are better choice of classes to play.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Who the f cares about pve... i have frost on my caster macro too. Last time i checked... pve frost doesn't kill barb/bm... and here I thought we are talking about killing barbs/bm.
You know... there was a bm on HT. Everyone knows that I can out gun him and its more or less well known that I killed him multiple times. But it seems that he managed to get the kill shot on me once in TW. Which resulted with him taking screen shots of his core and posting it all over the froum. By your logic... he managed to killed a r9 archer... end of story. Sure... he managed to kill me once... guess we're not looking at how many times he died to get that one kill.
So what you managed to kill a couple of r9. How many times did you have to die to get those kills? Then go look at those "intelligent archers" archers of yours... how many time did they die before they got their kills.
Note that first post you quoted was separate to indicate it was not at all addressing you
Idk I killed afew of them and they got me afew times. I don't really care who I kill or what their gear is. I care that they die and my nation does well. I care that I have fun and others have fun. Sometimes there are crazy opponents and you just gtfo and stun/aim low to annoy them from max range until backup comes (FayHumming or Breeezy come to mind; r9 JOSD Wiz and Seek). Other times you just pvp and have lots of fun. Fun seems to be something you are missing in this game. Every class has weaknesses and I need not point them out if people already know they are there.
So far in 4 NWs I have only been booted from a land due to death limit once and that was from getting spawnkilled in a land I shouldn't have bothered with in the first place. It is not hard to survive as an archer. We have the best range. We are good against sins (detect pots+range=winning) and we even have leaps and alacrity for extra mobility.
Keep in mind thus far I have placed first in 3 NWs and 2nd in my last one (we lost by like 8 rofl).
You should try cheering up and just start having a better game experience overall. Archers are still pretty good at killing.
And sorry if I ever hurted your feelings Kiyoshi
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Wow from the sounds of it, barbs are gonna be a huge problem regardless of being an archer or not. I didn't expect I'd be able to take em out fast regardless thought or 1 vs 1. Mostly gonna aim for casters whenever possible I guess in NW, and sins/seekers/bm's within a good range where I have the advantage.0
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Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »Wow from the sounds of it, barbs are gonna be a huge problem regardless of being an archer or not. I didn't expect I'd be able to take em out fast regardless thought or 1 vs 1. Mostly gonna aim for casters whenever possible I guess in NW, and sins/seekers/bm's within a good range where I have the advantage.
Yes definitely focus on things you have the advantage on.
Barbs are tougher for us, but luckily there are tons of mage classes in this game to take advantage of a barbs low m def. Their hp is just a lot of work to get through, especially charmed ones.
Pm me in game sometime if you want more info. I have seen you forming full WS before with your sin lol. I play in the evenings, but not every day.Ring Engraving/Amulet Carving Guide - pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1174451
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Ok, I'm going to make this easy for you. Look at your physical attack. Notice how there are two numbers. The one on the left is smaller than the one on the right. These new numbers make the your attack range. When you autoattack or use a skill, a number is picked from this range to be your base damage. So sometimes frost arrow will hit harder than a metal skill since the number generated is closer to the upper limit, aka a high-end hit, while the metal skill had a number closer to the lower limit, aka a low-end hit. But on average, metal skills all hit harder than water, unless the target has higher metal resist for some reason. This explanation should be simple enough for you to understand.XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City wrote: »I said it hit higher on the seeker than the metal skills did, learn how to read.0 -
Just wondering, what the hell is "pure sage"[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Anfisa - Lost City wrote: »This explanation should be simple enough for you to understand.
listen here H 0 E .. go eat a D I C K , idc about what you think about this.. everything you're saying is irrelevant to me. What do you have to say now B I A TCH??? NOTHING?? oh![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »So far in 4 NWs I have only been booted from a land due to death limit once and that was from getting spawnkilled in a land I shouldn't have bothered with in the first place. It is not hard to survive as an archer. We have the best range. We are good against sins (detect pots+range=winning) and we even have leaps and alacrity for extra mobility.
Its "not hard to survive as an archer"... and yet you died enough times to get booted? I know its not hard to survive as an archer... given the right know-how... which is why I have never gotten booted... even when its 20 vs my group of 5.Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »Keep in mind thus far I have placed first in 3 NWs and 2nd in my last one (we lost by like 8 rofl).
Congrad... its nice to know what you will also take credit for other's work. I don't think my nation ever won a single first place... EVER. And I am prety sure twice we are absolutely dead last. And yet after 4 wars... I am almost 1/3 of my way to 2nd r9 recast (if my guild didn't lie to me that 2nd recast takes 5k tokens). I much perfer to score well north of 10k points then to rely on for all i know are a bunch of slackers.Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »You should try cheering up and just start having a better game experience overall. Archers are still pretty good at killing.
And sorry if I ever hurted your feelings Kiyoshi
Can't we be fwiends?
First its my english... now its my feelings? Lets face it... these are loser arguments whatever way you look at it. You go ahead and have your fun of annoying targets until they tab kill you. And I'll do my thing of collecting tokens.Anfisa - Lost City wrote: »Ok, I'm going to make this easy for you. Look at your physical attack. Notice how there are two numbers. The one on the left is smaller than the one on the right. These new numbers make the your attack range. When you autoattack or use a skill, a number is picked from this range to be your base damage. So sometimes frost arrow will hit harder than a metal skill since the number generated is closer to the upper limit, aka a high-end hit, while the metal skill had a number closer to the lower limit, aka a low-end hit. But on average, metal skills all hit harder than water, unless the target has higher metal resist for some reason. This explanation should be simple enough for you to understand.
Naww... there is much more going on here. There are not even +12 r8s around that are one shotting "a lot" of people. And then there are +12 full r9s around that can barely one shot 1 out of 50 targets. I think there is probably a +300 attack level blessing that we're missing.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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You all are some serious a$$ nerds lol just play the game ....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City wrote: »You all are some serious a$$ nerds lol just play the game ....
That is true... but some of us can't play games whenever we want. You know... those of us with jobs... and no longer gets free food from our parents while living in their basement.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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The hell does that have to do with anything I said...Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »That is true... but some of us can't play games whenever we want. You know... those of us with jobs... and no longer gets free food from our parents while living in their basement.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
How new are you? All we do here is theorycraft and math.XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City wrote: »You all are some serious a$$ nerds lol just play the game ....
So that's the missing piece of Fleuri's thesis! Now to rework archerism from the ground up.Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Naww... there is much more going on here. There are not even +12 r8s around that are one shotting "a lot" of people. And then there are +12 full r9s around that can barely one shot 1 out of 50 targets. I think there is probably a +300 attack level blessing that we're missing.0 -
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SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »Just wondering, what the hell is "pure sage"
Archers can be 5aps base cheaply without demon spark or anything. Pure is the opposite...minimum str, maximum dex. Some people choose "aps" path because they feel they are harder hitting with it. Others pure. I know this 1st hand cause my ex had an aps archer I would often do bhs on for her.
I was referring sage to mainly the hard hitting of sage archers due to pure dex support/90% mastery.
Main reason for APS was Nirvana. Archers couldn't get in without aps. Now that NW has come and made nirvana obsolete, I no longer feel the need to make an aps archer to farm good money now...rather sage/demon archers are the better way to make money due to better damage in PVP.
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(All g16's, with full g16 bonuses+Jones)Bow vs Crossbow VS Slingshot
What's better for the case scenario of a pure sage NW archer w/ 90 attack levels? I currently have the g16 xbow mold but doubtful on wether I should make it and go for bow instead.0 -
Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »(All g16's, with full g16 bonuses+Jones)Bow vs Crossbow VS Slingshot
What's better for the case scenario of a pure sage NW archer w/ 90 attack levels? I currently have the g16 xbow mold but doubtful on wether I should make it and go for bow instead.
I would decide based on visual appeal. I personally prefer bows, but some like slings and others xbows. Bow is by far the most popular though I have seen afew more xbow archers lately (probably based on NW rewards).
Slings have the most aps, xbows have the most spike. Bows are the balance. Pick whichever you find to be the shiniest.Anfisa - Lost City wrote: »How new are you? All we do here is theorycraft and math.
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In middle of arguing I noticed argument regarding how you can see people you kill on coreconnect? I cant find such option anywhere and Id be curious to see if I kill anybody on my 96 archer on TWs this weekend and how my NW goes tonight
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And yet you don't seem to understand basic game mechanics.XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City wrote: »Actively on forums? about 4 days lol .. In game? 4 years
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HideYoHubby - Archosaur wrote: »In middle of arguing I noticed argument regarding how you can see people you kill on coreconnect? I cant find such option anywhere and Id be curious to see if I kill anybody on my 96 archer on TWs this weekend and how my NW goes tonight.
Find people you may know on the right side of coreconnect.
Click More.
Click How are you connected.
See how you are connected.
Most of mine say killed so and so.
Probably best done after a NW or TW.
You can lurk their profiles to see their class/level. Alternatively you can still lurk private profile's trophies to see what classes they have on that account. b:cute
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Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »Pm me in game sometime if you want more info. I have seen you forming full WS before with your sin lol. I play in the evenings, but not every day.
I'll pm you ingame when I'm on archer later this week. Can you teach me some archer combos and anything helpful sometime? Already got him like 9 of the seemingly best archer books said on this thread+some more, with the exception of BOA cause of it's insanely high price and sage winged blessing cause I've only seen it once and didn't buy out, bidded and lost it.0
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