kitty builds DD or tank?
Azzazzzin - Archosaur
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im curious whats better DD or tank barb, im thinking about a Str build 3 str, 1 dex, 1 vit per level, but wonder if misses will still be an issue. im so use to assasssin b:chuckle i dun like missing. also Arma is more effect with more HP so str build would nerf that damage *,..,*
or how good is a Tank build min. dex / str required and rest in vit, how effect is this build or do u just sit there and take a beaten 24/7?
anyone out there with experience from both builds could give me advice before i plot my points? b:cute
or how good is a Tank build min. dex / str required and rest in vit, how effect is this build or do u just sit there and take a beaten 24/7?
anyone out there with experience from both builds could give me advice before i plot my points? b:cute
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Nah, go APS Cleric. Or better yet, Arcane Blademaster.
Anyway; http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/BarbarianBarbarians are the tank class. The primary role of the barbarian is to take the damage of the enemy, so others can deal damage without being attacked.
If you want to be a damage dealer, make an Archer, Psychic, Assassin or a Wizard.
Or perhaps Blademaster and Seeker too.
About accuracy; Blood Bath.
When maxed at Lv74, it gives you this;Barbarian: lvl 74 Spirit: 191 200 (642 320) Coins: 256 000 (856 800)
Skill
Blood Bath Level 10
Mana 74
Channel 1.0 seconds
Cast 2.0 seconds
Cooldown 15.0 seconds
Weapon Axe, Poleaxe, Hammer or Polehammer
Requisite Cultivation Aware of Harmony
Reduces maximum HP and current HP by 16% to
increase accuracy by 200% for 10 minutes.0 -
3 str is actually a minimum req for axes, so 3str/1dex/1v is not a strength build. More of a hybrid dex/vit build.
4.5str/.5 dex is the strength build. Accuracy is a problem in pvp and you can expect to either bloodbath or use skills like Flesh Ream, Mighty Swing, or sage Bestial Onslaught. In PvE 1 or 2 50% accuracy rings is enough, as well as any pdef debuffing skill glitching accuracy to 100%.
3str/.5dex/1.5 vit is the vitality build. Can take a beating, but the damage output and accuracy is poor making it hard for you to kill anything in PvP and you won't keep aggro past level 80 in PvE. Basically, its a catapuller or for pulls in instances but not for bosses or 1v1.
3str/1dex/1vit is a good build actually. I used it. The increased accuracy and crit rate helps keep aggro better. Eventually I decided I had more hp than I needed and capped at 75vit and added the rest at strength. I could do all my pulls but challenge most DDs to aggro. Later, for better aggro control, I restat to aps build.
3str/2dex is aps build. You can use +stat adds to get your 193 dex and 301 str needed and normally fit in about 75 vitality if you'd like.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
500+ str to 700 str and u wont have issie with axes or even aps magic.
vit dont do nothing but 500+ str does with a g16 r9 warsoul +10
dont forget ur abba skill wish add ur samage as u get hit and uwont feel bad with ur damage.0 -
If you're going axes, don't forget: barbs only need 60 dex at most for gear, other is optional!I do not need much,
I do not have much,
I do not miss much,
I have love and friendship,
To compensate for that!
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Azzazzzin - Archosaur wrote: »im curious whats better DD or tank barb, im thinking about a Str build 3 str, 1 dex, 1 vit per level, but wonder if misses will still be an issue. im so use to assasssin b:chuckle i dun like missing. also Arma is more effect with more HP so str build would nerf that damage *,..,*
or how good is a Tank build min. dex / str required and rest in vit, how effect is this build or do u just sit there and take a beaten 24/7?
anyone out there with experience from both builds could give me advice before i plot my points? b:cute
Arma is almost useless in PvP in my experience. I only used it for ****s and giggles.
Accuracy is an issue, but if you get Bloodbath to level 10 or 11, accuracy can be a bit over 2k with a +50% accuracy ring, like a Misty Forest Ring.
Some skills can become or already are 100% accurate, and only have the damage nerfed from a defense skill or Resisted. Flesh Ream is 100% accurate, Mighty Swing is 100% Accurate (not sure if always accurate or only if sage).
I have learned a few things about fighting though, you can work around the lack of accuracy, you can still pack a punch. But on the down side... People seem to always attack the barb, before you know it you might have 4+ people fighting you at the same time.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »3 str is actually a minimum req for axes, so 3str/1dex/1v is not a strength build. More of a hybrid dex/vit build.
This is correct, and why when people ask I tell them you should make 60 DEX your endgame and 300 STR your end game, everything else into VIT.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Oh and.... Accuracy is not an issue at all, not at all in PvE ONLY.
Devour and Penetrate Armor are Pdef Debuff skills, and they have some weird glitch or hidden secret or something.... When it is used and if it hits, you will never miss an attack again on that specific mob.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »Arma is almost useless in PvP in my experience. I only used it for ****s and giggles.
People seem to always attack the barb, before you know it you might have 4+ people fighting you at the same time.
I laugh pretty damn hard when I read ''arma useless in PvP." Arma is the best skill in PvP if you ask me lolol. Same goes to "hard to kill anything as pure vit build."
If you want to be able to basically kill anything, go pure vit, invest in r9 axe and you'll notice what i'm talking about.
And wtf, always seem to attack the barb? Barb is being the very last target, never the first,
or else you simply sucks to cordinate your survivalskills (you're being AAed at first (?!?!?!) )0 -
looool arma is one of the Most if not THE MOST OP skill for PvP including all classes what u smoking.. b:laugh
For PvP barbs are the top most OP class in this game. But that is if you can afford good gears/refines, so if you can afford that go either pure vit (300str,60dex rest vit) or STR build (500+str/120dex) try which you like more and stay that.. Aps is useless for PvP on a barb.
And actually with new skill balances if i want i can hold aggro against sins on bosses too. With new stomp of king and that morai skill and devour threat and stuff.. So, according to me if you just play barb more for PvP and alittle for PvE go pure vit build, it rocks xD..0 -
It depends on how rich you are.
If you are a relatively poor barb using TT99 equipment with low refines, you probably want to have 60 dex and 312 str after equiping items (do keep in mind that your base stats must allow you to equip your items though) and the rest in vit.
If you are a rich barb who can have highly refined equipment and equipment that gives lots of stat points like pan gu tome, you probably want to choose between either full str, zero vit, and if you reach 60 dex with items, zero points in dex as well, or you want to have a claw barb with your points spread between str and dex. again, zero vit. Basically the point is, if you have like 30k HPs with your refines and zero points added to vit, why would you waste those points in vit for a few more HPs if you can instead significantly increase your damage or have the freedom to use claws. (unless you want to focus on armagedon i guess, then maybe you would like to absolutely max your hitpoints and absolutely max your ToP strength genie)
Hitting in pve is not much of an issue since after you devour, you always hit. PvP i cant say much about hit chance. I would imagine i'd use accuracy shards for pvp. Also of course accuracy rings and bloodbath if you like. I don't think dex is the way to go if you dont intent to use claws.
and i know its common practice in PWI, but i think a simple distribution for your points every level is a little ****. I'd rather see what items you are gonna use, what stat points they provide and in what order you can equip them to decide what are the minimum base points you need.0 -
HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »It depends on how rich you are.
If you are a rich barb who can have highly refined equipment and equipment that gives lots of stat points like pan gu tome, you probably want to choose between either full str, zero vit, and if you reach 60 dex with items, zero points in dex as well, or you want to have a claw barb with your points spread between str and dex. again, zero vit.
Why would you choose to go str barb or claw barb? Yes, those builds are for the rich peoples, yet vit is still better no matter what + clawbarbs are outdated. Str barb is a choice, just a less good choice.HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »Basically the point is, if you have like 30k HPs with your refines and zero points added to vit, why would you waste those points in vit for a few more HPs if you can instead significantly increase your damage or have the freedom to use claws. (unless you want to focus on armagedon i guess, then maybe you would like to absolutely max your hitpoints and absolutely max your ToP strength genie)
30k hp zero points in vit. Waste those points in vit. Waste...? If you have that good gears there's an even better reason to put them in vit.
To me it seems that you have terrible knowledge of what's good in PvP and what not. You basically have no clue how much damage Armageddon can hit with gears such as "30k hp with zero points in vit..."0 -
FkinMaltaMan - Sanctuary wrote: »Why would you choose to go str barb or claw barb? Yes, those builds are for the rich peoples, yet vit is still better no matter what + clawbarbs are outdated. Str barb is a choice, just a less good choice.
30k hp zero points in vit. Waste those points in vit. Waste...? If you have that good gears there's an even better reason to put them in vit.
To me it seems that you have terrible knowledge of what's good in PvP and what not. You basically have no clue how much damage Armageddon can hit with gears such as "30k hp with zero points in vit..."
I gotta agree with Hruns. Endgame, 150 vit will be something around 10% more hp, but 150 strength will really help your attacks and give you a chance at actually finishing a fight. Simply put, even a +12 R9 vit barb still has little chance of delivering a finishing blow in pk against a well geared opponent. Yes, I've seen them drop 10k+ zerk crits, but I've also seen them miss multiple zerks in a row. I've afk'd during chi up and came back to have the barb still trying to finish my sin with miss, miss, miss, zerk miss, 1200, miss, zerk miss... The barb was half dead before my sin was.
Sorry Malta, I also disagree on the usefullness of Arma. It has its uses, but it's about... the 15th most useful skill a barb has for pvp. Most the time I try my arma's are when I can't finish an opponent and am just risking the fight to try to end it. Not a sound technique, more of a gamble. If I'm actually using skill to pvp then I rarely use Arma, unless my opponent was stupid enough to group 4+ people together.
I'd say 'in general' that strength barbs are the best pvpers, aps barbs are the best pvers, and vit barbs are the best catapullers. How are aps barbs dead, btw? Omg, vana had its price cut 1/5th. For everything else PvE aps barbs still are awesome.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
10k zerk hits? I do 20k+ zerk hits on 2nd cast r9 peoples. I have seriously 1v1'ed every class in the game. If you call arma the "15th best PvP skill" that means you don't know how to time your arma correctly, then I understand your considerations. It also means you simply don't know how to play a barbarian, and that's true fact.
I didn't mean aps barbs are useless in PvE, but they're TOTALLY useless in PvP today.
Miss miss miss on a sin? Are you seriously comparing a build vs a sin? Vs a sin vit barbs are definitely the superior build. It's funny how you think a vit barbs damage is low compared to a str barbs. Str barbs HP is low and if I Would've played a sin equally geared as the barb I Would've killed the str with some easy stun locks and aps. Total different story when I face a vit barb cuz they can actually TANK and KILL. You never arma a sin, the barbarians r9 axe hits hard enough on a..... sin lol
Been facing str barbs also equally geared as me. Guess who won, and did I say arma either zerk or crit just about 25k~?
Say that arma is not that good shows how you obviously sucks to time it instead of just spamming it, assume that's your mistake.
Str build is a fun build, just not the winning one.
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Most the time I try my arma's are when I can't finish an opponent and am just risking the fight to try to end it.
This is exactly what you need to avoid. First, cook the target, then, make sure that the dude is going to die when you arma. That, or have an exit strategy.
Arma has the potential to kill anybody under the right conditions. The right conditions implies that you need to 'pre-cook' your target: use debuffs like devour, immobilise your target using ancestral-rage/occult-ice, and/or bringing his health just above 50%. Then, use arma to by-pass his charm and kill him. You also need to make sure that your health is full for max damage and have crit boost from onslaught.
Arma is one of most OP finishing skill in pk. Any arcanes will die from full health. A cleric, staking 5 IH on herself is not going to help her if she is going to eat a full arma in the face. An archer or HA's requires a bit more cooking. Under regular conditions, a fight with another well-geared & skilled barb is never going to end (hp-charm r@pe). The only way is to find a perfect opening to throw an arma, by-pass his charm and end the fight (Although, sometimes, it would take more than 10mins to find a single opening when fighting a good barb).
In tw, arma can wipe entire squads. A simple strategy (entry-strike-exit) is to use triumph, then Iron-Guard. IG will prevent you from taking any damage on entering and keep your health for maximum arma damage. IG will prevent you from killing yourself on bramble. IG will give you enough time to get out if need. Use ToP/frenzy/tangling/onslaught to increase the number of victims.
In my opinion, for pvp, any build is viable if you are demon because of the crits from demon onslaught (that's the best pvp skill). With an inferior arma, and lacks of crits+zerk combo's, sage barb would need to rely on strength builds to ditch out major damage.
Lastly, aps barb is the only barb that can pose a bigger threat to another barb. Most aps barbs will pk as a regular demon barb. Only difference is that when its time to yell surprise-butt-secks, the aps barbs would switch to claw/fist and smash his way though 30k + damage in less than 6secs (occult ice would last that long). The victim barb is more likely to be caught off guard against an aps barb because he won't expect the butt-seck. But barb v barb situations doesn't occur very often, better off hunting easier targets...
Going back to the original post...
For lvl 0 to lvl99, vit builds would give you more benefits than strength or dex. At lvl 80, a vit builds would account for 30%~40% hp bonus while a strength build would account for around 25% damage bonus. Low accuracy is fairly easy to solve with +50% accuracy rings (100% bonus with 2 of them) or devour.
In the pve context, hp is always more useful for tanking, pulling because squads will rely on you to pull stuff and tank bosses. It is more convenient for yourself to rely on the other 4 squad members for damage.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »This is exactly what you need to avoid. First, cook the target, then, make sure that the dude is going to die when you arma. That, or have an exit strategy.
Arma has the potential to kill anybody under the right conditions. The right conditions implies that you need to 'pre-cook' your target: use debuffs like devour, immobilise your target using ancestral-rage/occult-ice, and/or bringing his health just above 50%. Then, use arma to by-pass his charm and kill him. You also need to make sure that your health is full for max damage and have crit boost from onslaught.
Arma is one of most OP finishing skill in pk. Any arcanes will die from full health. A cleric, staking 5 IH on herself is not going to help her if she is going to eat a full arma in the face. An archer or HA's requires a bit more cooking. Under regular conditions, a fight with another well-geared & skilled barb is never going to end (hp-charm r@pe). The only way is to find a perfect opening to throw an arma, by-pass his charm and end the fight (Although, sometimes, it would take more than 10mins to find a single opening when fighting a good barb).
In tw, arma can wipe entire squads. A simple strategy (entry-strike-exit) is to use triumph, then Iron-Guard. IG will prevent you from taking any damage on entering and keep your health for maximum arma damage. IG will prevent you from killing yourself on bramble. IG will give you enough time to get out if need. Use ToP/frenzy/tangling/onslaught to increase the number of victims.
In my opinion, for pvp, any build is viable if you are demon because of the crits from demon onslaught (that's the best pvp skill). With an inferior arma, and lacks of crits+zerk combo's, sage barb would need to rely on strength builds to ditch out major damage.
Lastly, aps barb is the only barb that can pose a bigger threat to another barb. Most aps barbs will pk as a regular demon barb. Only difference is that when its time to yell surprise-butt-secks, the aps barbs would switch to claw/fist and smash his way though 30k + damage in less than 6secs (occult ice would last that long). The victim barb is more likely to be caught off guard against an aps barb because he won't expect the butt-seck. But barb v barb situations doesn't occur very often, better off hunting easier targets...
Going back to the original post...
For lvl 0 to lvl99, vit builds would give you more benefits than strength or dex. At lvl 80, a vit builds would account for 30%~40% hp bonus while a strength build would account for around 25% damage bonus. Low accuracy is fairly easy to solve with +50% accuracy rings (100% bonus with 2 of them) or devour.
In the pve context, hp is always more useful for tanking, pulling because squads will rely on you to pull stuff and tank bosses. It is more convenient for yourself to rely on the other 4 squad members for damage.
lol blood rush mean i love when i get apsed.... it make me deal so much damage once i get out as a ful lstr barb+spark crith woot come come aps me more.
aps is nice on a barbs ego when we have blood rush activated.0 -
KingClawX - Lost City wrote: »lol blood rush mean i love when i get apsed.... it make me deal so much damage once i get out as a ful lstr barb+spark crith woot come come aps me more.
aps is nice on a barbs ego when we have blood rush activated.
Re-read what Mag just typed. The whole thing, not just "I aps the barb". His strategy is right on point with the really annoying & hard to not be killed by Barbs I've dealt with.
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I think all three builds are viable from whom I've played with and against in the field. I think Sage Vit Barbs are at more at a loss than a Demon Barb in any of the three builds, however.
It's really a style thing. From what I've seen in the field from both sides and playing a Demon Vit Barb:
Sage Strength: Decent damage, but not as tanky. Pretty much dead vs Wizzies and Psys. Arma hurts, but isn't as scary. Smarter/Good PvPers tend to take this route. I can kill some of them, but the good ones I gotta CC until help arrives or move onto another target before they kill my nub butt.
Sage Vit: Horrifying damage. But on the plus side, the armas will kill lots of AAs, and its tough for many to put them down. Same issue with Wizzies tho, 1-2-3-4 dead. It seems they're more of the attrition style PvPers. I usually have to just CC them until help arrives.
Sage APS: I know two of these, one quit. Not bad, but both wished they were demon for it. Interesting survivalists who can vary their styles to fit differing situations. Big problems with Wizzies and Psys still.
Demon Strength: Decent to good damage (Thank you Onslaught). Also pretty much dead vs Wizzies and Psys. Arma seems to be a bit scarier from them overall due to the crit chance buffs they get. Again with the smarter/Good PvPers. Bit more squishy than sage.
Demon Vit: Better damage than Sage Vit at least. The addition of two auto-hit skills overall for Demon is a huge bonus for all builds. The crits help, and the ability to tank while doing full base damage edges out over Sage barbs in many situations. I've literally beat Sage builds (Str or Vit) by being able to three spark and do full damage in kitty form with the help of Roar and Arma (Roar in duels anyway...grr). I've learned a lot from mag on proper application of demon skills with axe.
Demon APS: Versatile, and a good threat - Id almost say more than Demon Strength due to the versatility. You won't have as big boom hits, but at least they can kill me way easier without relying on flat luck in zerk crits. Same problem with the wizzies and psys unfortunately.
So really...a good player can make any of those 6 very viable. Why not discuss the pros and cons of each rather than stating X build is the best? I can say one thing - a strength/vit balance build tends to end up as the worst of both worlds it seems.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50 -
Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »Arma is almost useless in PvP in my experience. I only used it for ****s and giggles.
go find psychological helpLolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »Accuracy is an issue, but if you get Bloodbath to level 10 or 11, accuracy can be a bit over 2k with a +50% accuracy ring, like a Misty Forest Ring.
i've got 165 dex and my accuracy is enought to hit 70% of the atks on archers and sins, and 95% of the atks on any mob/boss, besides bestial onslaught that can reduce their evasion.Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »Some skills can become or already are 100% accurate, and only have the damage nerfed from a defense skill or Resisted. Flesh Ream is 100% accurate, Mighty Swing is 100% Accurate (not sure if always accurate or only if sage).
also is ancestral rage, 100% chance to hit!
I have learned a few things about fighting though, you can work around the lack of accuracy, you can still pack a punch. But on the down side... People seem to always attack the barb, before you know it you might have 4+ people fighting you at the same time.[/QUOTE]
barbs are the most tanky class in pw, so he will probably be the last one to get atacked/killed, first targets imo are always clerics and archers, second ones venos and bms.Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »Oh and.... Accuracy is not an issue at all, not at all in PvE ONLY.
Devour and Penetrate Armor are Pdef Debuff skills, and they have some weird glitch or hidden secret or something.... When it is used and if it hits, you will never miss an attack again on that specific mob.
only demon devour is able to glitch, and only able to glitch mobsand boss, not players.FkinMaltaMan - Sanctuary wrote: »If you want to be able to basically kill anything, go pure vit, invest in r9 axe and you'll notice what i'm talking about.
im a demon dex barb with only 3 base points on vit, and i still can kill anything that moves, u don't need to be full vit to kill, any class and any build is able to kill anything, just depends on the player, sir.0 -
I believe any pdef debuff can glitch acuracy. from my experiments penetrate armor, glacial spike, and even tangling mire in groups of mobs will give 100% accuracy.BloodTyrant - Raging Tide wrote: »
only demon devour is able to glitch, and only able to glitch mobsand boss, not players.Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »This is exactly what you need to avoid. First, cook the target, then, make sure that the dude is going to die when you arma. That, or have an exit strategy.
Arma has the potential to kill anybody under the right conditions....
Then, use arma to by-pass his charm and kill him. You also need to make sure that your health is full for max damage and have crit boost from onslaught.
....Any arcanes will die from full health.
....(Although, sometimes, it would take more than 10mins to find a single opening when fighting a good barb).
I agree with the bulk of your post. And what I meant by "I try arma just to finish the fight" is the technique you use. If I'm being charm ***** for 10 mins and having no luck charm bypassing with BO+OI+skill or chaining BO+Mighty Stun+aps+OI for the lock and still can't bypass its one of those "gotta try arma" situations. I aps till they're 50-60% hp to help build my chi to full (also important for arma), BO, stun, ToP, Arma.
I find it hillarious pvping barbs on my sin. A good barb will usually win, but I'll roughly deal 300k damage against them and they'll usually do about 40k against me but get the charm bipass and kill.
The reason I put arma around 15th is I'm gonna try a large amount of skills to kill prior to risking my hp. As you said, it may take 10 minutes before a good arma opportunity comes around.
As a side note, I watched a funny event involving an arma in NW. My nation kept going up against a nation that held a squad from my same faction, including +12 r9 archer, r9t3 wiz, and a JoSD/vit +10-11 r9 barb. I watched a cleric from my faction who is +10 full G16 vana with +12 weapon battling with the wizzy and IH stacking herself take an R9t3 wizzy attack and an arma, both landing, and survive with no AD/IG. I think she has around 11k hp. Arma has a weird range sometime and r9 barbs usually hit my bm for 4-8k. I tanked two of that same barbs armas for 7.2k and 9.3k (crit) while magic marrowed but was then killed by the wizard with a 13k attack.
btw, favorite time to kill barbs on my sin is when I see them wind up for an Arma. Triple spark through it, Inner Harmony, Headhunt (6 seconds of stun time), and EP as you kill. Finish with either Slipstream or Tackling Slash since you'll get 4-10k damage with Slipstream or Tackling will do 3-8k but immobilize them. This is a good technique because most barbs will crit buff prior to Armaing and you stun them through the bulk of it. Triple sparked even 45k hp barbs can go down in 6 seconds. The barb has ticked his own charm and will have less than 2 sparks and be in human form. If they're like me they may have ToP'd for the Arma boost and have an empty genie too. I point this out to other barbs because decent players will recognize Arma as a threat and an opportunity.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
With how easy it is now to get 3rd cast r9 im starting to concider claws or fists..but only when i get 2nd casy and up..i find its really risky to go claws before r9...and for ur questions witch is better str or vit...well i have over 450 str atm and im a pvpet i got to say im quite a heavy hitter..laughing at the person who said arma is pointless..when i pvp and getting ganked i usually arma.then run back so charm can cooldown and come back to the fight...not that risky for me i get options..like if i find im in trouble after arma ill pop a dew or if still have a spark ill spart and active chi..
Its hard to argue about whats better vit or str cause evetyone has there own game play and of course one or the other are going to say this and that cause it works best for them...though keep in mind each vit=17-18 hp and some pdef..with str y get defence and extra attack power..you eo the math and figure out whats best for u....me with my 450 vit is nice...im aiming for 550+ i find im very tanky still and takes a group to take me down unless im infront of a 3rd cast r9 i only have 26hp to but also only +7 wep and most gear and +10 of three peices with 23k pdef standing like 34k or somthin like that in tiger also sage 0 -
Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »This is correct, and why when people ask I tell them you should make 60 DEX your endgame and 300 STR your end game, everything else into VIT.
I love you! b:kissIt's a game and I'm proud to be a stupid fail demon barb!
My EPIC Fail Demon Barb has 40k/48k HP and my stat points are as follows:
VIT 552 STR 310 DEX 60! b:surrender0 -
I typically advise barbs to go 3 str, 1 dex, 1 vit. Even though accuracy is glitchable Devouring isn't always advisable, as it gives DD's about a 28% dd boost but not 28% more aggro to the barb. The extra accuracy and extra crit help a bit for more aggro, as well as a bit of pvp fun.
Mainly, it sets you up for easier adjustments endgame, whether you decide you want more vit, more str, vit aps, or strength aps.
And here is my impression of the lifepan of a barb:
1-13k hp- Wish I had more hp.
14k hp- getting endgame now!
15k hp- Gonna go sage and be tanky as hell.
16k hp- Yay! I can tank anything in game
20k hp- Yay! I can tank everything like a boss
24k hp- Q.q I can't tank anything because I can't hold aggro and the 6k sins are tanking. Wish I'd gone demon.
23k- Restatted to demon and love it. Not sure why sages are considered "tanky."
21k hp- Restatted to strength, holding aggro better and hitting hard.
28k hp- Dear Diary: A sin with 4.8k hp, +2 average refines but a +10 weapon took aggro and died over and over again. BH took forever. Will restat to aps tomorrow and refine high enough to keep aggro from +2 sins.
25k- Pure strength Aps barb. Notice I am getting 1.5k+ bloodpaint heals a second, have chi for any skill I want, any time I want, and kill things before I take half the damage I used to. Not sure why aps are consider squishy.
...keep build to 40k hp and be "squishy aps barb".Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear wrote: ») But barb v barb situations doesn't occur very often, better off hunting easier targets...
This has happened to me many times in NW, myself and a barb from the opposite nation both sitting on the flag waiting for it to spawn. i guess if the flag spawned there, we would had to fight for it, but both happy sitting there until then 0 -
Beleni - Dreamweaver wrote: »This has happened to me many times in NW, myself and a barb from the opposite nation both sitting on the flag waiting for it to spawn. i guess if the flag spawned there, we would had to fight for it, but both happy sitting there until then
I've had to fight Barbs over the flag before. They try to axe me and stuff, and the moment I spark...with axes, they still don't run, because they believe they can tank it, which....most can.
But!
I then take my claws out and I'm sure they go wtf, and run or die. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »I typically advise barbs to go 3 str, 1 dex, 1 vit. Even though accuracy is glitchable Devouring isn't always advisable, as it gives DD's about a 28% dd boost but not 28% more aggro to the barb. The extra accuracy and extra crit help a bit for more aggro, as well as a bit of pvp fun.
Mainly, it sets you up for easier adjustments endgame, whether you decide you want more vit, more str, vit aps, or strength aps.
And here is my impression of the lifepan of a barb:
1-13k hp- Wish I had more hp.
14k hp- getting endgame now!
15k hp- Gonna go sage and be tanky as hell.
16k hp- Yay! I can tank anything in game
20k hp- Yay! I can tank everything like a boss
24k hp- Q.q I can't tank anything because I can't hold aggro and the 6k sins are tanking. Wish I'd gone demon.
23k- Restatted to demon and love it. Not sure why sages are considered "tanky."
21k hp- Restatted to strength, holding aggro better and hitting hard.
28k hp- Dear Diary: A sin with 4.8k hp, +2 average refines but a +10 weapon took aggro and died over and over again. BH took forever. Will restat to aps tomorrow and refine high enough to keep aggro from +2 sins.
25k- Pure strength Aps barb. Notice I am getting 1.5k+ bloodpaint heals a second, have chi for any skill I want, any time I want, and kill things before I take half the damage I used to. Not sure why aps are consider squishy.
...keep build to 40k hp and be "squishy aps barb".
nice diary saku =P, but my first and only path was demon, like all (smart) aps barbs i restated when had 15k hp standing, and in 1 month of 2x i reached 24k in tiger form being able to tank anything, now im a proud aps barb full str/dex with 32k tiger and soon will be growing up b:victoryKnownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »I've had to fight Barbs over the flag before. They try to axe me and stuff, and the moment I spark...with axes, they still don't run, because they believe they can tank it, which....most can.
But!
I then take my claws out and I'm sure they go wtf, and run or die. b:surrender
exactly, that's one of the best things of having a pair of fists/claws on the inv, surprise buttfck ftwb:dirty0 -
i respect barb tanks much more. leave the DDing to the actual DDs. barbs with high HP look sexy and are irreplacablethe loser fail nab cleric from dreamweaver who quit pwi, but still wanders the forums.0
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BloodTyrant - Raging Tide wrote: »nice diary saku =P, but my first and only path was demon, like all (smart) aps barbs i restated when had 15k hp standing, and in 1 month of 2x i reached 24k in tiger form being able to tank anything, now im a proud aps barb full str/dex with 32k tiger and soon will be growing up b:victory
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Not a personal diary. More like the diary of about 20 barbs I know.
My barb "teachers" back in the day both went demon. Both wanted to pvp and both wanted to hold aggro and insisted that demons held aggro better. I started my barb with the intent of going sage vit, but by the time I leveled it to my 60s I was comfortable with my hp even with poorly refined gear. Hp wasn't a problem, I pulled my own fb59 at level 59 and tanked my own Nob/Pole at 69, so I started statting more into dex/strength.
At the same time, leveling other characters I'd notice that even 100+ sage vit barbs had trouble holding aggro from my level 60-80 characters. I decided gear would cover my defenses but skills and stats needed to cover my aggro ability and reevaluated demon/sage, choosing demon for the aggro ability.
Later on I made the decision of claw barb at 99, dropping to 12k hp. Just to test myself I pulled a full delta and kept aggro. Now I have 21k hp, even though my barb is slightly neglected it can tank and solo anything in game.Elanxu - Dreamweaver wrote: »i respect barb tanks much more. leave the DDing to the actual DDs. barbs with high HP look sexy and are irreplacable
Barb tanks... you mean the ones that hold aggro? Or the ones with shiny shiny hp numbers that never move because the sins and bms grabbed aggro and are tanking. Besides, if the barb is not a little bit of a dd, the dd's become the tanks.
150 vit for 10-15% more hp and zero aggro has never appealed to me. I'd rather make my cleric sweat a little healing me than to have aggro bouncing all over the place and people dieing left and right because I couldn't hold aggro.
Also, when I have paint I get about 1k-3k hp per second apsing on [?] bosses, more when critting. On regular bosses I've had streaks of 15k+ heals per second. Can't beat that, lol. With G16 claws you can out dd R9 sins but have barb defenses.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »I typically advise barbs to go 3 str, 1 dex, 1 vit. Even though accuracy is glitchable Devouring isn't always advisable, as it gives DD's about a 28% dd boost but not 28% more aggro to the barb. The extra accuracy and extra crit help a bit for more aggro, as well as a bit of pvp fun.
Mainly, it sets you up for easier adjustments endgame, whether you decide you want more vit, more str, vit aps, or strength aps.
And here is my impression of the lifepan of a barb:
1-13k hp- Wish I had more hp.
14k hp- getting endgame now!
15k hp- Gonna go sage and be tanky as hell.
16k hp- Yay! I can tank anything in game
20k hp- Yay! I can tank everything like a boss
24k hp- Q.q I can't tank anything because I can't hold aggro and the 6k sins are tanking. Wish I'd gone demon.
23k- Restatted to demon and love it. Not sure why sages are considered "tanky."
21k hp- Restatted to strength, holding aggro better and hitting hard.
28k hp- Dear Diary: A sin with 4.8k hp, +2 average refines but a +10 weapon took aggro and died over and over again. BH took forever. Will restat to aps tomorrow and refine high enough to keep aggro from +2 sins.
25k- Pure strength Aps barb. Notice I am getting 1.5k+ bloodpaint heals a second, have chi for any skill I want, any time I want, and kill things before I take half the damage I used to. Not sure why aps are consider squishy.
...keep build to 40k hp and be "squishy aps barb".
Then said barb wants to try TWs and gets 1 shot by my +10 magic weapon.
Please no.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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AshenSkies - Heavens Tear wrote: »Then said barb wants to try TWs and gets 1 shot by my +10 magic weapon.
Please no.
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"me time, leveling other characters I'd notice that even 100+ sage vit barbs had trouble holding aggro from my level 60-80 characters"
Oh come on be realistic and dont come with BS. I am a sage vit barb simply because i am a poor guy with TT90+3 equipment. Not doing PvP and too poor even to afford the expensive demon sunder and armageddon skills.
I absolutely never lose agro against anyone below level 90.
My friend has a lvl 100 BM with 3 aps sparked and +7 deicides and we're about even in agro where i can let him have it by using devour or keep it by using all my chi only on ream. It is pretty nice actually, we understand eachothers playing and we can swap agro where and when we want to.0 -
500+ str to 700 str and u wont have issie with axes or even aps magic.
vit dont do nothing but 500+ str does with a g16 r9 warsoul +10
dont forget ur abba skill wish add ur samage as u get hit and uwont feel bad with ur damage.
I disagree. I've got 310 str with all my gear on and around 540 vit and I've got at 15-17k attack and survive and kill just about anything! b:surrenderIt's a game and I'm proud to be a stupid fail demon barb!
My EPIC Fail Demon Barb has 40k/48k HP and my stat points are as follows:
VIT 552 STR 310 DEX 60! b:surrender0
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