Pure sage archer advice?

Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver
Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver Posts: 756 Arc User
edited December 2012 in Archer
I'm wanting to make a pure sage archer for TW/NW PVP purposes. I intend to go full G16 endgame.

1. What's the best genie skills?
2. Top Sage skills I should get Via PVP purposes
3. Whatever else needs be added.
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  • Facerolled - Raging Tide
    Facerolled - Raging Tide Posts: 334 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Genie skills

    Quickshot stun mastery winged blessing 3 metal skills STA
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  • deadwieght
    deadwieght Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    go play ur sin, u alrdy said its the best in another thread.
  • Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver Posts: 756 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    deadwieght wrote: »
    go play ur sin, u alrdy said its the best in another thread.

    Stop spamming my thread when I'm asking kindly for advice on how to make a good pvp archer. NW opens up possibilities for other classes people always wanted to try out.
    Facerolled - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Genie skills

    Quickshot stun mastery winged blessing 3 metal skills STA

    Thank you I appreciate the response^^
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    My genie


    Its pure dex.
    somtimes i change heart of steal for other immunity skills.
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  • XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City
    XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Get sage stunning arrow, winged mastery, Sage frost arrow ( it's like Gush because it becomes a water skill once sage.. crit you can 1hit a bm in phy marrow easily) get deadly shot, full damage no matter what range you're in, Occult a sin and use that bam 1 shot, and make sure you have all your metal skills sage, genie wise you want to be able to kite, I would get fortify to avoid stuns, and get extreme poisoning, occult (optional), expel > domain .
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  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City wrote: »
    Sage frost arrow ( it's like Gush because it becomes a water skill once sage.. crit you can 1hit a bm in phy marrow easily) get deadly shot, full damage no matter what range you're in, Occult a sin and use that bam 1 shot

    lololololololololololol
  • Anfisa - Lost City
    Anfisa - Lost City Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    lololololololololololol
    With a veno harem, anything is possible b:victory
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Lol what BM runs around with physical marrow...? b:chuckle
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Lol what BM runs around with physical marrow...? b:chuckle

    The ones that want to troll sage archers that are stupid enough to think they can 1-shot the BM with frost arrow by using balance, true emptiness, flame tsunami, or combining one any of the above with reckless rush. b:chuckle
  • XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City
    XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0NJuN-LsCw&feature=plcp everyone in this video is equally geared to me if not better, I'm only +3-5 r8, as u can see from description and frost arrow does excellent damage, so if they're gear is near yours you will do good especially on crits. no need to be d!cks and loool for answering the guy's question
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  • Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver Posts: 756 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Been looking into what ornaments he would use...what ornaments are highly suggested for a pure sage archer? I was thinking to buy some x2 Sign of frost: chaos for rings but I'm not sure. He's tome will be Pangu for now until I farm the Emperor tome later on so that's settled. Necklace/Belt/rings not sure.
  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Been looking into what ornaments he would use...what ornaments are highly suggested for a pure sage archer? I was thinking to buy some x2 Sign of frost: chaos for rings but I'm not sure. He's tome will be Pangu for now until I farm the Emperor tome later on so that's settled. Necklace/Belt/rings not sure.

    This is mostly for pvp/tw/nw correct?

    Cube neck and Warsong Belt. I prefer to mix them (p def cube neck and ele WS belt or vice versa) and use p def rings (Sign of Frosts or Sky Covers).

    Since you are on my server idk if I have seen you in NW (Frost, Dark, Dark so far). I wouldnt doubt it though based off of how many sins there are and how many you can kill from stealth with detect pots as a ranged class.

    Heres an extreme g16 build, not my current build but it would be nice to have eventually: http://pwcalc.com/c25322f465bdf68c
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  • Badazmofo - Dreamweaver
    Badazmofo - Dreamweaver Posts: 407 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0NJuN-LsCw&feature=plcp everyone in this video is equally geared to me if not better, I'm only +3-5 r8, as u can see from description and frost arrow does excellent damage, so if they're gear is near yours you will do good especially on crits. no need to be d!cks and loool for answering the guy's question

    So i watched what i could of that video.. now im not sure if you said on there what you hit that bm for exactly because i had to mute the sound due to the terrible music.

    But from what i think i saw you hit the bm for 5xxx or 6xxx crit which is nice but if that bm was on average +4-5 armor like you say you would not have one shot him.

    I have a bm alt with on average +4-5 armor this guy was either in tt90 or was like +2 if a 5 or 6k crit one shot him lol.

    Point being your comparison that it is like a gush is inaccurate a wizzy with a +5ish r8 wep could probly have 10k crit that bm with a gush. While Frost Arrow is good its not the mythical nuke sages have played it up to be.
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  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Frost arrow is useless unless you're spamming/chaining magic skills I.e hard to kill bms seekers and barbs and I personally use it in soloing pavilions in warsongs. It's by far the most chi inefficient magic skill archers have and should only be used when all the other stuff is in cool down or to get that extra magic damage hit that finishes a ha class off.

    I'm sage btw in case anyone is wondering
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  • XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City
    XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    he's not tt90. NV pants wrist, boots, hh99, same refines as me if not better , that seeker was +10 top, pants, and helmet, and frost arrow hit about 2k on her, mean while my metals hitting 1ks, non crits. Frost arrow is not useless it's a very good skill. Dont QQ about how they weren't r9 and +10 , because neither am I.
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  • Anfisa - Lost City
    Anfisa - Lost City Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City wrote: »
    he's not tt90. NV pants wrist, boots, hh99, same refines as me if not better , that seeker was +10 top, pants, and helmet, and frost arrow hit about 2k on her, mean while my metals hitting 1ks, non crits. Frost arrow is not useless it's a very good skill. Dont QQ about how they weren't r9 and +10 , because neither am I.
    Frost arrow: Base damage + 2880
    Lighting Strike: Base damage + 3820
    Thunder Shock: Base damage + 4238
    Thunderous Blast: Base damage + 4019

    Frost arrow is the weakest hitting of your magic skills. Learn the difference between your high-end hits and low-end hits b:bye
  • Thunderbow - Momaganon
    Thunderbow - Momaganon Posts: 85 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    So warsoul elemental and cube elemental or both phy? thoughts cuz im getting them in the weekend
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Anfisa - Lost City wrote: »
    Frost arrow: Base damage + 2880
    Lighting Strike: Base damage + 3820
    Thunder Shock: Base damage + 4238
    Thunderous Blast: Base damage + 4019

    Frost arrow is the weakest hitting of your magic skills. Learn the difference between your high-end hits and low-end hits b:bye

    Well it's main problem really is that it has no synergy with our metal debuff.
    The only skill it has real synergy with is stormrage.
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well it's main problem really is that it has no synergy with our metal debuff.
    The only skill it has real synergy with is stormrage.

    Gotta love that SE + Frost combo. b:cool
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Gotta love that SE + Frost combo. b:cool

    Super special awesome slow yo!
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0NJuN-LsCw&feature=plcp everyone in this video is equally geared to me if not better, I'm only +3-5 r8, as u can see from description and frost arrow does excellent damage, so if they're gear is near yours you will do good especially on crits. no need to be d!cks and loool for answering the guy's question

    What the ****...Sage Frost is nothing like Gush.

    Gush gains 10 chi instead of drains 25
    Gush can't miss
    Gush hits harder

    Can you be less embarrassing and just use Lightning Strike?
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  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Thunderbow - Momaganon wrote: »
    So warsoul elemental and cube elemental or both phy? thoughts cuz im getting them in the weekend

    Mix them.


    And on Frost Arrow, I rarely used it in TW, maybe as a slow if I didnt have sparks for Aim Low and Stun was on cd to catch/halt an opponent so my teammates could get them.

    I find myself having to do a lot more solo work in NW however, and there are quite a large amount of tanky seekers/barbs that I have fought. TS, LS, Frost would be my next option if there is no one else in range of a TB aoe. If there is aoe range I probably would STA and TB first or just boa.

    Frost has helped me solo some tanky barbs though. And I agree it is the weakest magic skill and its slow is just not long enough to be worth the chi to use it frequently. I should start trying to cycle wood arrow into that elemental mix instead since it got its damage buffed, it could be a good last resort option while metals are on cd.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Frost has helped me solo some tanky barbs though. And I agree it is the weakest magic skill and its slow is just not long enough to be worth the chi to use it frequently. I should start trying to cycle wood arrow into that elemental mix instead since it got its damage buffed, it could be a good last resort option while metals are on cd.

    Let me get this straight. The LOWEST attack magic skill has helped you SOLO "tanky" barbs. No archer can solo a competitive build barb... hell no wiz can solo a competitive barb.
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  • XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City
    XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Anfisa - Lost City wrote: »
    Frost arrow: Base damage + 2880
    Lighting Strike: Base damage + 3820
    Thunder Shock: Base damage + 4238
    Thunderous Blast: Base damage + 4019

    Frost arrow is the weakest hitting of your magic skills. Learn the difference between your high-end hits and low-end hits b:bye

    I said it hit higher on the seeker than the metal skills did, learn how to read.
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  • XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City
    XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    and Ok I exaggerated when I said it acts as a gush, time to move on
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City wrote: »
    I said it hit higher on the seeker than the metal skills did, learn how to read.

    Unless said seeker has lower water resist then metal resist... there is no reason for a lower damage water attack to hit harder then the higher damage metal attack.
    XTJSoGangsTa - Lost City wrote: »
    and Ok I exaggerated when I said it acts as a gush, time to move on

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  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Let me get this straight. The LOWEST attack magic skill has helped you SOLO "tanky" barbs. No archer can solo a competitive build barb... hell no wiz can solo a competitive barb.

    Idk what build the barb was. Did I say it was full JOSD r999? No, but it was pretty damn tanky (at least similarly geared to myself) because I can one shot lots of things in NW and barbs are generally not among them. This barb was not invoked and didn't really care that I was hitting him (most archers just p atk barbs like *******). Well, he didn't like a 5 sec stun+BV+Stormrage+TS+LS+Frost+QS+Stun+TS+LS (Woot spike crits)+Frost combo with Frenzy active.

    And before you attempt to explain it, please don't bother trying to say that 97 atk lvls and magic attacks won't hurt a barb that has no access to its genie and already used apoth for speed.

    I did mention that it could be better to use Wood arrow in its place because it is a dot and does not use chi (but still has elemental damage preferable for a barbs 20k+ p def). I however have not incorporated its use.

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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Idk what build the barb was. Did I say it was full JOSD r999? No, but it was pretty damn tanky (at least similarly geared to myself) because I can one shot lots of things in NW and barbs are generally not among them. This barb was not invoked and didn't really care that I was hitting him (most archers just p atk barbs like *******). Well, he didn't like a 5 sec stun+BV+Stormrage+TS+LS+Frost+QS+Stun+TS+LS (Woot spike crits)+Frost combo with Frenzy active.

    And before you attempt to explain it, please don't bother trying to say that 97 atk lvls and magic attacks won't hurt a barb that has no access to its genie and already used apoth for speed.

    I did mention that it could be better to use Wood arrow in its place because it is a dot and does not use chi (but still has elemental damage preferable for a barbs 20k+ p def). I however have not incorporated its use.

    You have to stop the flag bearer somehow. b:bye

    I know its fun to trying to exaggerate things in vain attempts to impress idiots... but really... I doubt you are fooling anyone. There is no need to try to push things to unrealistic proportions trying to help your statement... any uncasted r9 barb is sufficient. In fact... ever since the orginal nirvana recast... it has became highly improbable (even impossible) for an archer to solo barbs whom processes a few brain cells.

    My bow is +12 and I also have the full attack levels of blessing and r9 bonus. I'd be lying out of my *** if I were to say that I can one shot "lots of things". Regarding nation wars... I one shot maybe one out of 50 targets. Considering that I am sage... the only archers that are going to out damage me per shot is dot r9s. And there is maybe a dozen of them in all servers combined. So unless you are one of them... you are just blowing hot air out of your ***.
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  • Iyania - Heavens Tear
    Iyania - Heavens Tear Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I know its fun to trying to exaggerate things in vain attempts to impress idiots... but really... I doubt you are fooling anyone. There is no need to try to push things to unrealistic proportions trying to help your statement... any uncasted r9 barb is sufficient. In fact... ever since the orginal nirvana recast... it has became highly improbable (even impossible) for an archer to solo barbs whom processes a few brain cells.

    My bow is +12 and I also have the full attack levels of blessing and r9 bonus. I'd be lying out of my *** if I were to say that I can one shot "lots of things". Regarding nation wars... I one shot maybe one out of 50 targets. Considering that I am sage... the only archers that are going to out damage me per shot is dot r9s. And there is maybe a dozen of them in all servers combined. So unless you are one of them... you are just blowing hot air out of your ***.

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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Iyania - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh! Oh! Me! Pick me!

    or me D:
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