Do we deserve cheaper R9?
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_Nuriko_ - Lost City wrote: »You know... I quit PWI 13 months ago, just came back 2 weeks ago to be honest. Even back then everyone was saying game is dead/dying. Oddly enough... it still hasn't!
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Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »Gonna back you up here into some reality.
One shots:
Low defense levels, low HP are one shots. Both of these can be overcome with Nirvana Stage 3 just fine, not to mention using an omalleys blessing.
Nation Wars and Territory Wars = PVP = only R9 people can enjoy NW/TW:
Not exactly. Last night Frost was full of afk alts and horribly undergeared & underplayed people - lots of people not cooperating. We were down to almost 5 lands last night. I was stuck trying to get into instances for an hour of the two hour Nation War - most of my party was too.
I'd say 75% of the instances I was in was dominated by the other side's groups (R9 or not) because most of Frost was standing around, afk alts, being one shot, or not actually hitting the other side hard enough.
Once, I had 4 random Frost with me. I rushed a whole group of Light. Killed 5 of the 7 in about 30 seconds, the archer and Psy ran. That group with me? Still standing around, they didn't do anything. I take it back - the veno started flying.
I ended up separated from my party because we were all trying to get into any instance possible to get points. I'm R9 - NW was a terrible bore due to the one hour waiting and doing nothing and heading into an instance being one out of the three-five of the 20 people doing anything.
I also know plenty, and I mean plenty of people with TT99/N1/N2/N3 +5 tops that got lots of points, had a ton of fun, and did well this weekend and last weekend.
Gear helps. But being active and playing helps more. You definitely don't need uber gear to enjoy Nation Wars, you need activity and people playing.
The whole "Only R9 can..." is absolute ****. I woulda taken a bunch of level 90 people in TT90 +1 over the sad sacks we had in Frost last night - we may have won a few more battles.
I totally agree with you.
Theyre is to much of a silly notion that only r9+12 thrive in there when its not really true seeing its based on team work and not a on man army thing. Despite theyre level people can contribute, they may not be able to handle it 1v1 but they can be of assistance to others you can, for example im lvl64 i almost never see anyone i don't only hit it 150 damage on and thats laughable but whats not is the fact that i successfully keep a person unable to move/attack for about 17.5 secs(if done in the right co ordination.....provided i dont die lol) with all my control skills used correctly as the higher level people take them out.
Sigh nation war is fun..........yeah i get ***** alot but its worth it........until they tell me i cant get tokens because i didn't do good enough because i can kill anyoneb:sadb:cry0 -
CroPsy - Heavens Tear wrote: »I have TT99 gear and I got just over 4k points in NW. That's not the problem.
I don't enjoy being 1-shot by R9 people. Same will be when I get Stage 3 Nirv, and others get Stage 3 R9, I'll be dead in 1-3 shots.
That's not fun or funny. It's really frustrating, 6 average geared players vs 1 Stage 3 R9 BM = he just stands there for a minute, not moving, just ticking charm and then he decided to kill us in few seconds.... I guess that's fun for him, but for me it's not.
6 average geared players at 100...hell 95 would be fine too, should be able to take out that Stage 3 R9 BM.
If its the BM I think you're talking about? Lower it to 85 with +3 gears.
It's not your gear. Its your tactics.
And even on equal gearing, poorly played psys are 1-3 shots for a lot of classes. Believe me when I say 3rd Stage Nirvana is plenty if you play well - I've seen it many many times.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50 -
Accalica - Heavens Tear wrote: »they cant understand how much time and effort were spent into getting r9 as a farmer/mercher (which most r9 holders actually are if you speak to them instead of screamin CS in ur head)
Hahaha BULL. It's called lying, you ignorant fool.
I would never admit I spent $1500 on something virtual that didn't even belong to me.
You have any idea how much of a scrub that makes one sound? Besides the fact that you would basically admit you bought your power?
This game is really full of idiots....Scratch that, the world is >.>[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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The game is dead, the game is dead....every time there is an update. 3 years of the same. Guess what? It's still here, and it's not going anywhere, especially since they keep expanding. Anyone wanna put money down that the lvl cap will be raised to 130-135 maybe even 150 this year? Oh wait, the game will be dead for the millionth time when that happens too, cuz of course the low lvl players will be saying "How can they do this to the low lvl players? It's not fair".
lvl up people!!! It's a game and it's gonna happen. they are preparing for either a lvl cap raise, new instances, or server vs. server. Look how much of the map is not being used. You do all know that these updates, expansions, gear upgrades and so on are all 2 years in the making? This is all planned out way in advanced. This is not something they make on the fly. This is planned for a while, tested and so on. CN server already had this for a long time. Do you think that the auctioneeer has lvl 135 gear , since the game first started just for the hell of it? There's a reason it's there. Other servers that are ahead of us will rock us in server vs. server. That's why they revamped the skills and added the new gear, cuz some of the other servers already have this. Can you imagine the west coast server, minus the new gear, with just plain r9 and nirvi, going up against a server that has 3rd cast nirvi and 3rd cast r9 and second cast warsoul. It wouldn't even be a fight. Might as well play dead and let them step on you for good measure.R9s3 Beast w/Demon Facepalm0 -
_Bloody_Fox_ - Lost City wrote: »Hahaha BULL. It's called lying, you ignorant fool.
I would never admit I spent $1500 on something virtual that didn't even belong to me.
You have any idea how much of a scrub that makes one sound? Besides the fact that you would basically admit you bought your power?
This game is really full of idiots....Scratch that, the world is >.>
I have to agree. I did a post about how every one that has full r9 +12 with JOSD's claims they farmed for their gear. Every single person that posted claimed they didn't put a dime in the game and did this in 6 months hahahaha. How do you get 205 gst's, 19 MOG's, and 300k rep, not to mention 4-10*'s,11's and 12* which are priced at 350-400m in game, by farming in 6 months. Oh yeah and shard the gear with JOSD's 3 DOD's each JOSD ummm 40m a pop for dod's on my server. I can understand merchanting, yes, but stuff don't sell like hot cakes like that to be able to make r9 that fast and as far as farming drops. you still have to make gear good enough to farm instances. no one is gonna take you into nirvi with cheap dropped gear and yes morai is free, but it's too new to say you farmed morai gear and thats what you used to farm nirvi to make coins.
I'm not saying that everyone paid for r9, just saying people are not gonna say they paid for power. I paid for mine and i don't need to say i didn't. I merchanted and put money in the game. I work for my money and if I want to put money in the game that I earned, im gonna do it. As long as my bills are paid and my fam is healthy and we have plenty of money, it's my money.R9s3 Beast w/Demon Facepalm0 -
R9 should be free.
Then this game would be entertaining again. >_>101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
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Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »The game is dead, the game is dead....every time there is an update. 3 years of the same. Guess what? It's still here, and it's not going anywhere, especially since they keep expanding. Anyone wanna put money down that the lvl cap will be raised to 130-135 maybe even 150 this year? Oh wait, the game will be dead for the millionth time when that happens too, cuz of course the low lvl players will be saying "How can they do this to the low lvl players? It's not fair".
lvl up people!!! It's a game and it's gonna happen. they are preparing for either a lvl cap raise, new instances, or server vs. server. Look how much of the map is not being used. You do all know that these updates, expansions, gear upgrades and so on are all 2 years in the making? This is all planned out way in advanced. This is not something they make on the fly. This is planned for a while, tested and so on. CN server already had this for a long time. Do you think that the auctioneeer has lvl 135 gear , since the game first started just for the hell of it? There's a reason it's there. Other servers that are ahead of us will rock us in server vs. server. That's why they revamped the skills and added the new gear, cuz some of the other servers already have this. Can you imagine the west coast server, minus the new gear, with just plain r9 and nirvi, going up against a server that has 3rd cast nirvi and 3rd cast r9 and second cast warsoul. It wouldn't even be a fight. Might as well play dead and let them step on you for good measure.
You are the kind of player PWI dreams about, lol.
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Rank9 can be farmed and merchanted, if you know what you're doing. I know people who have (myself included now that I've started buying it from farming/shop funds)_Bloody_Fox_ - Lost City wrote: »Hahaha BULL. It's called lying, you ignorant fool.
I would never admit I spent $1500 on something virtual that didn't even belong to me.
You have any idea how much of a scrub that makes one sound? Besides the fact that you would basically admit you bought your power?
This game is really full of idiots....Scratch that, the world is >.>
You shouldn't assume every person with rank9 cashshopped it or that every one of them lied about it. I'm not saying some don't.......but it's not a safe assumption to just say that about every person with rank9.
There is a reason it's there and that's not it. Look up the history of PW and why that lvl110+ gear is only for the original 6 classes (no TB or EG specific items over 105). This thread is not the place for it, but you're wrong on why those items exist in this game.Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »Do you think that the auctioneeer has lvl 135 gear , since the game first started just for the hell of it? There's a reason it's there.0 -
Cotillion - Dreamweaver wrote: »Rank9 can be farmed and merchanted, if you know what you're doing. I know people who have (myself included now that I've started buying it from farming/shop funds)
You shouldn't assume every person with rank9 cashshopped it or that every one of them lied about it. I'm not saying some don't.......but it's not a safe assumption to just say that about every person with rank9.
Hi everyone, non-cash shopper here. Never spent a dime on the game. My account will now say I've spent $60 as of like a week ago, but even that I earned; a guildie basically agreed to repay me for sound financial advice and we both agreed it was better for both of us if she just gave me codes for those little CS thingies to punch in rather than she punches them in, sells the gold, gives me the coin then I buy the gold.
Anyways...
I'm a big proponent of the game remaining just that: a game. I'm not gonna sit on my *** and farm for hours on end just to get better gear. I would much rather spend that time PKing with ghetto gear than doing something I hate just to have better gear later; I can find a way to make PK fun even with ghetto gear, but there's no way I can keep farming fun and so I think it'd be stupid to waste my time farming when I play this game specifically to HAVE fun. Having said that, the most farming I do is I do my BHs daily (almost) and I use all my nirvana talismans on caster nirvana during x2....or used to. I'm NOT a big farmer.
Recently though, thanks to some wise business decisions on my part and to how Nation Wars has given people like myself a chance to have a steady income, I managed to buy the r9 armor.
...Just the armor though. Still need the belt and weapon. And tbh, I didn't even earn my r8; three friends chipped in to donate it to me when it originally went on sale. I also have several friends and guildies who I told to invest in gold, warning that such a sale was coming, and while they did make attempts, many of them cashed out that money for something else beforehand (event gold, raptures, etc). It's very easy to point at ME and say "SEE IT'S DOABLE," but the reality is that, at least amongst the people I know, I'm in the minority. The reality is that most people, for various reasons, miss out on such opportunities; I'm sure I missed out on past opportunities as well.
Having said all this, I think it's important to be realistic about such claims. I got r9 only because I've had supportive friends throughout my playtime, only because of Nation wars and only because I was both wise enough and patient enough to plan ahead for this sale....and even then, I ONLY got the armor. Will I get the belt and weapon? Sure, in time. Will I manage 3rd recast? Again, in time I will.
The reality of the situation is though that if you want TRULY top-notch gear, you either need to cash shop OR spend enough time farming/merchanting that you're....investing a pretty big chunk of your free time in this game; a bigger chunk than most people can realistically afford and a bigger chunk than most would like to give. Sure, people like me can manage r9 now, thanks to Nation wars, but tbh? I don't even plan to refine or shard this stuff much. Why? Because I'm not rich; I still don't cash shop. I can buy 10 star orbs with my income, sure, but upgrading my r9 to +10, then re-upgrading it to +10 when it's third or using chienkuns? That's a BIG friggin' deal for me, I am NOT doing that. So while my cash shop brethren shard up and use Dorbs like it's no problem, my gear, albeit r9, will remain ghetto. And I dare say, by the time I have 3rd recast r9 and I'm ready to shard, that'll be around the time that they release new gear. And by then, my r9 3rd cast +12 JOSD brethren will have those ridiculous end-game tomes, cube necks and rings whereas I have none of those.
Long-story short: Yes ok, you can farm r9, but let's not glorify it. You can farm it or merchant it, but it's time consuming and/or you won't have as good of refines/shards as your cash shopped buddies, and you'll always be chasing that rainbow instead of actually reaching the end and finding the pot of gold. Having said that though, by no means am I dissing PWI for this. It's still done a better job of making CSers and non-CSers equal-ish than other MMOs I've seen and played.I
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Terrastrike - Lost City wrote: »This sale doesn't surprise me one bit. I called it two weeks ago to my guild when they crashed the nirvana market. PWE are flogging what's left of their game now. They've destroyed PVE, they've ruined any goals or aspirations people had in game, and they've made people's existing achievements completely worthless. They don't care about your hard work, they care about your money. They've probably realised how many people have quit the game since NW was brought out and are seemingly trying to squeeze as much out of the remaining playerbase as possible before they shut down the servers. If the game is still up this time next year, expect even cheaper prices. R8 was once expensive too, soon R9 will have gone the same way.
Also OP didn't mention once that he'd like to see it cheaper, he's suggesting that it should stay at this price.
This is what everyone said when they reduced the price of R8 to around $100. The world is always ending.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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im still casually playing this game. but casually playing is event times which tiger, jungle, coa, and nw then back to kitty mode b:cute. If i played more, i'd end up quiting. I don't have r9. I've just quit tw also. no point of complaining or spending money on this game.0
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Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »This is what everyone said when they reduced the price of R8 to around $100. The world is always ending.
I consider it naive and ignorant, tbh.
This update has been nothing short of genius, imo.
What do players want? A sense of progress, a fun game to play and balanced PVP.
What does PWI want? Money, as does any business.
A sense of progress? Anyone and their mother can be 3rd recast nirvana now. Yes, there is that "middle class" that farmed their ***** off for 3rd recast and is now having their work somewhat trivialized (or not, depending on their investments), not denying that, but the MAJORITY of players feel progress. The r9s are going 3rd recast, the TT99s are going 3rd recast nirvana. Even the CSers have something to work for with Seals of war, and the middle class that had 3rd recast nirvana +10 can invest their extra income from NW to get better gear than the TT99s that are now farming for 3rd.
A fun game to play? Nation Wars. Like TW, but better, because while people will never manage to balance out their own guilds and will desperately cling to any advantage, nation wars is random enough to be new, interesting and decently challenging each and every week.
Balanced PVP? There will always be a gear gap, but it's shrunk. Important thing is there's been an improvement rather than things getting worse. Now the r9 +12 JOSD guys have to wait several months and farm NW constantly to get their advantage via the new ornaments and tomes, but the TT99s? The base r9s? They're gonna see a power improvement pretty damn quick.
Money for PWI? Yes, we should care about this. We don't want PWI being so greedy they neglect balance, but we also want the company to be healthy. The r9 sale was clever, and I expect more clever marketing this holiday season. Hell, simple things like r9 2nd cast ---> 3rd cast are money-makers for them (and the people that were r9 +10 are basically the ones who got screwed by this the most, now needing chienkuns or more Dorbs) and everyone and their mother having new gear to refine? This is profitable for them.
Basically in one simple update, PWI has covered every base. No, they cannot please everyone sadly (r9 +10 folks?), but the update is probably their most well-planned out update yet. To say they "trivialize all our work" is to not understand how MMORPGs work.
If you truly think any MMORPG will ever let you reach "the end" where you're done getting gear? You're delusional as hell and should probably quit MMOs permanently.I AGOREY0 -
most pple that claim this are pple who been playing for a decent while. I bought all my JoSD when it was 30M per :S right when astypoo make the market jump >>Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »How do you get 205 gst's, 19 MOG's, and 300k rep, not to mention 4-10*'s,11's and 12* which are priced at 350-400m in game, by farming in 6 months. Oh yeah and shard the gear with JOSD's 3 DOD's each JOSD ummm 40m a pop for dod's on my server.
it cannnn ;o just its not shared cause that would mean making more rival shops @_@I can understand merchanting, yes, but stuff don't sell like hot cakes like that to be able to make r9 that fast and as far as farming drops. you still have to make gear good enough to farm instances. no one is gonna take you into nirvi with cheap dropped gear and yes morai is free, but it's too new to say you farmed morai gear and thats what you used to farm nirvi to make coins.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
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The point is that its possible to get it f2p.
6 months all free to play for full rank9, recast, all JosD, +10/12........no , clearly something is up with that.
On the other side, however, is those of us who started PWI 3 or 4 years ago. Given what can be built up in that amount of time, merchanting and farming rank9 is not only possible...it's also very likely and probably alot more common than people that scream "cashshopper!' at anyone in rank9 seem to think.0 -
Never said it was impossible.
Just that MOST CSed it. Let's be realistic.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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_Bloody_Fox_ - Lost City wrote: »Hahaha BULL. It's called lying, you ignorant fool.
I would never admit I spent $1500 on something virtual that didn't even belong to me.
You have any idea how much of a scrub that makes one sound? Besides the fact that you would basically admit you bought your power?
This game is really full of idiots....Scratch that, the world is >.>
I live in Australia, if I go out clubbing with my friends I can easily blow through $300 (if not more) in one night on alcohol, cab fares and a kebab, which ends up going down the toilet bowl. I don't see the issue with spending $1500 on rank 9 for a game that I have played for over 4 years now when I compare it with 5 nights out. At least I get to keep the R9 for as long as it's useful instead of expelling it the next morning.
I will readily admit I spent money cash shopping rank 9. I am 29, I have a $320,000 mortgage for a house I own and live in, I have a $60,000 car, I have a girlfriend that I buy a lot of nice things for, my bills are always paid on time and I choose to spend my entertainment budget on a video game that helps me to de-stress after I finish work. If that makes me sound like a scrub, so be it.
You are right, the world is full of idiots. Idiots who think that their own situation is the only one in the world and that everyone else is stupid because they do something different.0 -
Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »
Other servers that are ahead of us will rock us in server vs. server. That's why they revamped the skills and added the new gear, cuz some of the other servers already have this.
You really need to stop posting if you're just going to keep posting random **** you think you know.
PWI is more than likely (I only say this instead of being certain because there might be a server I've never heard of, not including private servers) the best geared VERSION, not server, fyi, in the entirety of this game.0 -
Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »If i'm the reason more people leave, then more power to me. I didnt realize my r9 was that powerful. I'll be sure to 2nd and 3rd cast it.
No, you misunderstood. That wasn't directed at you . . . well, the 1st sentence
was, lol. But the remark about the attrition rate was not about you, just the
whole state of the game; specifically, the realistic longevity of a game which
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it isn't impossible to kill someone in that stage 3 R9 with Stage 3 Nirvana. Especially given some of the skill changes that involve damage over time that totally ignore def level. There are things you can use to protect yourself that do not involve getting S3 R9.0
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You know someone who must be really pissed? Rex_Nero
He geared his psychic to full r9 tier 3 +12 and sharded, but the new tier 3 is WAAAY stronger and now raptures and uncannies are WAAAY cheaper. b:avoid0 -
FYI R9 was free to farm through DQ pts some couple of years ago...b:surrender0
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Lyritha - Heavens Tear wrote: »it isn't impossible to kill someone in that stage 3 R9 with Stage 3 Nirvana. Especially given some of the skill changes that involve damage over time that totally ignore def level. There are things you can use to protect yourself that do not involve getting S3 R9.
Patch changed this so DoTs are now effected by attack levels and defense levels.I AGOREY0 -
not including the r9.3 or nirvana t3 weapon, the difference between t3 nirvana and r9.3 in defense/attack levels, r9.3 only as 10 more attack levels and defense levels than t3 nirvana.
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Tigerninja - Heavens Tear wrote: »FYI R9 was free to farm through DQ pts some couple of years ago...b:surrender
FYI that's a legend. You could obtain MoGs by DQ rewards for a few months. But no one farmed those DQ rewards, they all bought DQ items from other players. You always had to buy the major part of R9, the chips (and you even had to single open ever chip pack, ~133.000 single clicks, every pack with a delay...).
Some ppl still spread this american way of math/kiddie math... "I can't afford one car so I bought twenty cars and got one for free"... or "Me spent just 2k dollars for this game but me big farmer now, farmed stuuufff which is worth 10k dollars!!). FYI, if you didn't recognize it yet, you lose every dollar you put into this game and don't get any back. Non one of the 1st R9 ppl got it for free. The big majority of them also had high refines a few minutes later = they charged ALOT of gold.0 -
Necro. Also, "american/kiddie math." Insulting much?Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
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